QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal Here's what I said - "The question you either ignored or missed completely is that the JOINT LINE itself does not directly access every mine in the PRB. Most of the mines need build outs from the JOINT LINE to the mine to be able to access the JOINT LINE. Just because UP and BNSF built the JOINT LINE doesn't mean both UP and BNSF partnered up for each and every mine spur." Here's what Tom posted - "According to the article in Raifan and Railroad July issue on the PRB coal fields, there are 23 mines. Only 5 of them are not on the joint line. About 1/5 of them, and those 5 are not in the heavy production section of the PRB, so their percentage of the coal mined is not 20% of the basin output." Well....if you read back on this thread, you'll read that 5 out of 23 mines in the PRB are not on the joint line. Those 5 are the smaller,less productive mines north of Gillette, I believe, on BNSF. If 18 out of 23 mines are on the joint line, that equals 78.83% of the mines are on the joint line. Since these 18 are the bigger mines, it's safe to say that at least 80% of the volume of coal goes onto the joint line. Another post mentions that mines on the joint line may ship on either BNSF or UP. Given the above,I'd say the chances that you are incorrect are somewhere near 80%.[;)] If I have inferred that all the mines that connect to the Orin line have to ship either UP or BNSF but not both, then I would be incorrect. If that's the impression you got, then I should have foreseen the typical "trolling for errors" game you seem to enjoy and made sure I stated the thought ala legalese. For that, I profusely apologize [bow]. [:p]
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal Here's what I said - "The question you either ignored or missed completely is that the JOINT LINE itself does not directly access every mine in the PRB. Most of the mines need build outs from the JOINT LINE to the mine to be able to access the JOINT LINE. Just because UP and BNSF built the JOINT LINE doesn't mean both UP and BNSF partnered up for each and every mine spur." Here's what Tom posted - "According to the article in Raifan and Railroad July issue on the PRB coal fields, there are 23 mines. Only 5 of them are not on the joint line. About 1/5 of them, and those 5 are not in the heavy production section of the PRB, so their percentage of the coal mined is not 20% of the basin output." Well....if you read back on this thread, you'll read that 5 out of 23 mines in the PRB are not on the joint line. Those 5 are the smaller,less productive mines north of Gillette, I believe, on BNSF. If 18 out of 23 mines are on the joint line, that equals 78.83% of the mines are on the joint line. Since these 18 are the bigger mines, it's safe to say that at least 80% of the volume of coal goes onto the joint line. Another post mentions that mines on the joint line may ship on either BNSF or UP. Given the above,I'd say the chances that you are incorrect are somewhere near 80%.[;)]
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal Here's what I said - "The question you either ignored or missed completely is that the JOINT LINE itself does not directly access every mine in the PRB. Most of the mines need build outs from the JOINT LINE to the mine to be able to access the JOINT LINE. Just because UP and BNSF built the JOINT LINE doesn't mean both UP and BNSF partnered up for each and every mine spur." Here's what Tom posted - "According to the article in Raifan and Railroad July issue on the PRB coal fields, there are 23 mines. Only 5 of them are not on the joint line. About 1/5 of them, and those 5 are not in the heavy production section of the PRB, so their percentage of the coal mined is not 20% of the basin output."
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QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard You mean just like confusing a neutral switching terminal with a open access short line?[:0] Ed
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard You mean just like confusing a neutral switching terminal with a open access short line?[:0] Ed And what is open access if not neutral? One of these days, have your sugar daddy look up the word synonym and all the associated versions thereof for you. Maybe then you'll be less prone to be flush with your self gratifying hair splitting obsession.
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal Here's what I said - "The question you either ignored or missed completely is that the JOINT LINE itself does not directly access every mine in the PRB. Most of the mines need build outs from the JOINT LINE to the mine to be able to access the JOINT LINE. Just because UP and BNSF built the JOINT LINE doesn't mean both UP and BNSF partnered up for each and every mine spur." Here's what Tom posted - "According to the article in Raifan and Railroad July issue on the PRB coal fields, there are 23 mines. Only 5 of them are not on the joint line. About 1/5 of them, and those 5 are not in the heavy production section of the PRB, so their percentage of the coal mined is not 20% of the basin output." Thanks Tom for confirming what I said![;)] And Chad, if you really think the postings above from Ed, "Character", and Bert are an example of "social skills", well, here's to ya! [D)]
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal Here's what I said - "The question you either ignored or missed completely is that the JOINT LINE itself does not directly access every mine in the PRB. Most of the mines need build outs from the JOINT LINE to the mine to be able to access the JOINT LINE. Just because UP and BNSF built the JOINT LINE doesn't mean both UP and BNSF partnered up for each and every mine spur." Here's what Tom posted - "According to the article in Raifan and Railroad July issue on the PRB coal fields, there are 23 mines. Only 5 of them are not on the joint line. About 1/5 of them, and those 5 are not in the heavy production section of the PRB, so their percentage of the coal mined is not 20% of the basin output." Well....if you read back on this thread, you'll read that 5 out of 23 mines in the PRB are not on the joint line. Those 5 are the smaller,less productive mines north of Gillette, I believe, on BNSF. If 18 out of 23 mines are on the joint line, that equals 78.83% of the mines are on the joint line. Since these 18 are the bigger mines, it's safe to say that at least 80% of the volume of coal goes onto the joint line. Another post mentions that mines on the joint line may ship on either BNSF or UP. Given the above,I'd say the chances that you are incorrect are somewhere near 80%.[;)] If I have inferred that all the mines that connect to the Orin line have to ship either UP or BNSF but not both, then I would be incorrect. If that's the impression you got, then I should have foreseen the typical "trolling for errors" game you seem to enjoy and made sure I stated the thought ala legalese. For that, I profusely apologize [bow]. [:p] [(-D][(-D] Lighten up man. You were suggesting (inferring) that some thing was 100% black or 100% white. I'm suggesting that it's somewhere in the 20-80% range. And remember-just because a fella is paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get him.[;)] Edited to add: Apology accepted. No hard feelings.[^]
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard You mean just like confusing a neutral switching terminal with a open access short line?[:0] Ed And what is open access if not neutral? One of these days, have your sugar daddy look up the word synonym and all the associated versions thereof for you. Maybe then you'll be less prone to be flush with your self gratifying hair splitting obsession. Dave-I think you're way out in left field on this one. Dave's railroad can't run a train in there, as it's not open access.[;)]
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