Another tragic mistake.

[Anonymous]

I THINK THIS WOMAN WILL BE PUNISHED ENOUGH JUST KNOWING SHE IS RESPONSABLE FOR HER OWN CHILDS INJURIES .THIS IS ALIFE PUNISHMENT.NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO TO HER IS AS TERRIBLE AS THIS. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON HER.

[Anonymous]

I didn't use the soviet system as an example of stupidity, I don't care how they arrange their government if they are satisfied with it and as long as they are not a threat to other parts of the world. I was talking about the whole tension and fear during cold war, fear that could have resulted in the end of the world.

"choosing to be lazy and stupid"

but this is what I'm talking about all along: can one really chose to be stupid?
Intelligence is among other things determined by genetics.

[Anonymous]

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The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question:
Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm?

of course not.

maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her,
but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.

And why not? Her extreme stupidity is what caused her daughter to lose her arm. Intended to or not has nothing to do with emotions. She obviously isn't fit to raise childern and have them live to adulthood.

ok, let's turn the thing around.
Let's supose you were born stupid, and then you have a child (because you are stupid to understand that you are too stupid to take care of a child) , and because of your stupidity the child gets hurt,
and then tons of people start hating you for it, how would you feel?

That's known as "Darwinism." Let me turn the question back around to you. According to the story the woman has two other children. Should we give them all back to her and see if she can maim and/or kill them too? Would you just stand there and watch her do something so stupid that this would happen? If she crawled under a truck stopped at a traffic light, it would be just as stupid, with the same possible results.

I don't know how things are in your country, but here we tend to try to protect childern from such actions by adults. We have a thing in our laws called "reckless endangerment of a minor" which is pretty much what this was. Maybe the children in your country are just throw-away, but here, we have a tendency to care about them.

yea, we are a special breed of humans that hate their own children

Your replies certainly imply that you don't care, just put them back under proven dangerous supervision.

Well, then you must have been reading between the lines.

Locking someone up or removing his child, and being angry at him and hate him are not the same things.
One thing is doing something for someones protection, and another thing is doing the same thing out of revenge. The first can be a noble thing, the second is selfcentered.

What I'm against is the attitude, not the actions.

Justice system should be based on protection of free citizens, not on revenge.

You seem to be reading between MY lines. I'm for the idea of removing the children from her custody because she's proven she's incapable of making decisions to do the things to keep them safe. Her only concern was a "shortcut" which endangered all 3 of her children. She should get jail time for this "reckless endangerment."

At no time did I mention "death penalty" or "revenge."

I didn't say you mentioned death penalty.
But some people have in this forum, and one that is not even a part of the legal system, like throwing of the train.
That is the kind of revengefull emotional reactions I was reacting to in this post.

My point was when I started to discuss this was that anger does not help this situation. Thinking how to puni***he woman will not help the child OR the woman. But thinking rationally how to arrange this situation, wheather to put the child in safer hands or perhapse have a closer examination of the mother by a psychologist or whatever, is much more usefull.

The most impulsive reaction is to bark when you feel like barking, but it only works if you are on a level of a dog, humans need more complex solutions than barking and biting.

[edblysard]

Actually, I agree with you on most of your points...although I find that enviroment has a lot to do with how intelligent a person becomes.
A child raised in a enviroment lacking in any intelligent stimulation will grow up into a dull and dumb person, a drone if you will.

Yet, even in the midst of abject poverty, a child raised to question the things around them, to seek out knowledge, will often grow up to be a lot smarter than it's parents, and those around them.

I know, because all three of my kids are smarter than I am...on purpose.
We placed them in a learning enviroment where they are challanged to learn and excel, where knowledge is valued above material things.

But, as you have pointed out, one should consider the source in the first place.

So, might you re-read the posting you disagree with, and take a look at the profiles of the posters...then consider the source...bet you will find most of them are young, and still see the world in black and white terms of absolute right and wrong.

Ed

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Actually, I agree with you on most of your points...although I find that enviroment has a lot to do with how intelligent a person becomes.
A child raised in a enviroment lacking in any intelligent stimulation will grow up into a dull and dumb person, a drone if you will.

Yet, even in the midst of abject poverty, a child raised to question the things around them, to seek out knowledge, will often grow up to be a lot smarter than it's parents, and those around them.

I know, because all three of my kids are smarter than I am...on purpose.
We placed them in a learning enviroment where they are challanged to learn and excel, where knowledge is valued above material things.

But, as you have pointed out, one should consider the source in the first place.

So, might you re-read the posting you disagree with, and take a look at the profiles of the posters...then consider the source...bet you will find most of them are young, and still see the world in black and white terms of absolute right and wrong.

Ed

well, I'm 20, and I see lots of gray. I don't think its that much tied to age

[dmcclendon]

Just an insight to this area I railfan here several times a year. This is the former SP/SSW - MoPac route(now UP) from Houston to St. Louis & Chicago. The track here goes from double track on the Illinois side crosses the Mississippi at the Thebes bridge which is only about 3 miles from Scott City. At Scott City (Illmo to old railroad folks) the line goes to single track for about 50 miles before it goes to splits for north and south directional track at Dexter. There is an daily "average" of 40 to 60 trains that go thru here. Scott City used to be the crew change point for SP/SSW. This incident took place at the old crew change point. There used to be a beanery here that Mopac crews used to get dinner on the fly. This spot is where the Cotton Belt caboose is located. I used to enjoy watching the Mopac slow down to get their dinner. Never seen anyone loose that basket.

Just wanted to change the talk of this forum and let everyone know the mother & child are going to have to live with this forever. This is why we need to constantly educate people about railroads.