Originally posted by jcm2102 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Monday, September 19, 2005 7:24 AM Everette must be on the stupid side of Seattle. The Olympia/Lacy station, which is about an equal distance away but on the other side of Seattle has a 24 hour web cam which can be found at the TrainWeb. com site. Duh. Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 19, 2005 7:25 AM Looks like we need to rent a helicopter and hover in one or two juicy spots. Me thinks you need to go into the wild away from the stations to photo shoot trains. Reply Edit AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Monday, September 19, 2005 7:31 AM JCM, Recently I read an article regarding Amtrak. Apparently in the last 3 years several terrorist suspects were observed photographing Amtrak and Commuter trains along several spots along the northeast corrirdor, including large stations. This is why Amtrak personnel may be "a bit on edge". On another railfan photo related thread here, some posters stated comments about "Freedom, rights, we're letting the terrorists win", etc. etc., However, after the train bombings in Spain and London......can we really blame railroad personnel and securtiy forces for being "abrasive" sometimes? Sorry about what happened to you. It is good that the security personnel treated you with respect. Not excusing your being stopped from photographing trains as I have many railfanning photos. But this is a reality of life today whether we like it or not. I'm planning on taking photos of trains again as I've been on a hiatus. But I'm going with the attitude that I may be challenged by police or railroad personnel, even if in a public place. I plan on keeping a cool head. Continue railfanning, though! Peace. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 19, 2005 8:15 AM Just pack up and move on to the next location. Trust me! There ARE other locations that no one can bother you at all. Just remember one thing......Stay clear out of view from the Public's eye. Once they see you,They got you. Allan. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, September 19, 2005 8:15 AM That is the + about Olympia-Lacy w/cam. The - is it only refreshes every 90 seconds. I was there last May & took pix of several trains breezing by & nobody bother me whasoever. Thae same goes for Tacoma, Portland & all along the I84 along the Columbia river & La Grange & Hinkle. The starter of this thread must provoke some kind of reaction from non rail fans when it trains fan or is just the world most unlucky person. Just look how close I got the trains & not 1 engineer reported me. At one time I was within 2 1/2 miles of a BNSF office & every train stops there to check the brakes before the upcoming downhill from the summit of the Cajon Pass. Just look at my web site to see all the trains & all the places I have been with no difficulty. http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg [:p] Originally posted by jeaton Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, September 19, 2005 8:21 AM Sorry see my web site. I do not agree with your contention. When I am at Riverside or Colton those are areas where you are ALWAYS interacting with the PUBLIC & have never been bother when I have been there. In fact when the Police need a break they sit under the I-10 overpass in Colton to get out of the California sun & have seen me several times & NEVER bother me or ask what I am doing. I guess my tripod & digital camera gives me away. http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg [:p][:p] Originally posted by BNSF railfan. [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, September 19, 2005 9:13 AM About your interaction with the public when trainfanning to reinforce what I posted earlier here is a message I received in my guest book on my web site. "It is nice to see folks enjoying the area and taking pix in both Riverside and Colton along with the Cajon Pass. I especially have to chuckle since your one picture caught my old office in Riverside in the background where I could watch the trains all day long". from that Email you can see there are biz offices at Riverside with windows overlooking the tracks. [:p][:p] Originally posted by BNSF railfan. [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply SchemerBob Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Northeast Missouri 869 posts Posted by SchemerBob on Monday, September 19, 2005 10:39 AM In some ways it's probably better to photograph trains right in the middle of things. If you do it way out somewhere or where you know most people won't see you, you'd think that would be what some terrorists would do. Right now I'm in to taking video of trains but so far I haven't brought my video camera on a national train like Amtrak or any light rail system. Probably, though, taking video is less likley to be considered what terrorists would do anyways. Long live the BNSF .... AND its paint scheme. SchemerBob Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Monday, September 19, 2005 10:46 AM The author states that this is private property. Hence, they have the right to not let people do whatever they want on the property, be it take pictures or loiter or whatever. Re-read the posting. Just as private as railroad tracks. And if the security works for a private owner, who leases the property to another entity - the owner still has the right to say what will and will not go on, on his property. Am I missing something? Mook She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, September 19, 2005 12:15 PM You should find out who really/truly owns the property. You cannot expect the supervisor not to back up the person chasing you. If as Mookie says it is private property then yes you are actually trespassing & if they represent the owner then they have the right to chase you. Go to the tax rolls of the city involved & check for the rightful owner. If the city owns it which sounds plausable as it a park & ride lot then whomever has no right/power to chase you. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by jcm2102 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply fuzzybroken Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Milwaukee, WI, US 1,384 posts Posted by fuzzybroken on Monday, September 19, 2005 12:38 PM I'll agree with what was said above. Do a little checking, find out for sure whether the lot is public, find out who hired the security company and whether what you were told was true (I doubt it). If there is a valid reason for the prohibition of photography, so be it, but if there is not make sure you know who to contact on the spot. Might not be a bad idea to get a legal protection plan too, they're not that expensive and are really worth it! -Fuzzy Fuzzy World 3 Reply Tharmeni Member sinceJuly 2003 From: Southwestern Florida 501 posts Posted by Tharmeni on Monday, September 19, 2005 2:32 PM When challenged by security/police/whatever, I found it does NOT help your case to say "Abduhl is going to be ticked off if I don't get these pictures". Reply Scoobie9669 Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Austin Texas 24 posts Posted by Scoobie9669 on Monday, September 19, 2005 3:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 JCM, Apparently in the last 3 years several terrorist suspects were observed photographing Amtrak and Commuter trains along several spots along the northeast corrirdor, including large stations. How come they where not arrested? Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,309 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Monday, September 19, 2005 4:33 PM the key here is to take pictures leave footprints.mind your manners if asked any questions.politeness goes farther than sarcasim. stay safe Joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply waltersrails Member sinceJuly 2005 From: CSXT/B&O Flora IL 1,937 posts Posted by waltersrails on Monday, September 19, 2005 4:43 PM Ive been there i was videoing a train by my house and when it passed a cop came up and asked what i was doing and i told him i was taping a train and after that he said ok as long as i wasn't doing anything illigal "this was right after the lasers being shot at airplanes" Oh well wasn't in troble and still enjoying trains. I like NS but CSX has the B&O. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 19, 2005 6:14 PM The station and surrounding land is owned by the City of Everett. The guards were hired by Sound Transit and had nothing to do with the City of Everett. Also, the city is evidently not too worried about pictures as they have posted a 9-page photo gallery of the station including site and floor plans on their web site. Some of those pictures even show trains!!! http://www.everettwa.org/station/default.asp Reply Edit SchemerBob Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Northeast Missouri 869 posts Posted by SchemerBob on Monday, September 19, 2005 7:13 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by waltersrails Ive been there i was videoing a train by my house and when it passed a cop came up and asked what i was doing and i told him i was taping a train and after that he said ok as long as i wasn't doing anything illigal "this was right after the lasers being shot at airplanes" Oh well wasn't in troble and still enjoying trains. Very similar to what happened to me. I was videotaping trains on the BNSF transcon and a BNSF policeman came up and asked what I was doing. I said I was videotaping trains and he didn't say anything more except saying that I was doing everything right and he appriciated it! Long live the BNSF .... AND its paint scheme. SchemerBob Reply RudyRockvilleMD Member sinceSeptember 2001 From: US 1,015 posts Posted by RudyRockvilleMD on Monday, September 19, 2005 9:56 PM This raises the legal issue whether railroad stations and their parking lots, etc. that are owned or supported as taxpayer financed public entities are really public property in the same sense as sidewalks and parks. Reply james saunders Member sinceNovember 2004 From: Brisbane Australia 1,721 posts Posted by james saunders on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:07 AM perhaps when photographing trains etc. you should ask the station supervisor for permission like i do even though there isnt as greater tension in Australia about terrorsism now the station supervisors know who i am and dont mind my presence on their station. James, Brisbane Australia Modelling AT&SF in the 90s Reply Tharmeni Member sinceJuly 2003 From: Southwestern Florida 501 posts Posted by Tharmeni on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 3:52 AM Do any of the security folks realize that photographing trains is not something terrorists would likely do? It's photographing TRACKs and FACILITIES that they should be watching for. Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,009 posts Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 6:45 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by RudyRockvilleMD This raises the legal issue whether railroad stations and their parking lots, etc. that are owned or supported as taxpayer financed public entities are really public property in the same sense as sidewalks and parks. Ever see a sign on a fence that said something to the effect of "City Property - Keep Out?" Despite regularly allowed public access, a lot of places really aren't "public property." Take the parking lot at the grocery store or fast food restaurant - both are truly private property to which the public is allowed access, ostensibly for the purpose of patronizing the store. The parking lot at the RR station may very well be railroad property. Arguing public financial support (subsidy, etc) is a large can of worms - you really have to look and see whose name is on the deed... If it says "Railroad", it's private property. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply trainboyH16-44 Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Mile 7.5 Laggan Sub., Great White North 4,201 posts Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 2:52 PM So, the west coast has gotten there too, eh? Too bad. I have some pretty good photos at Edmonds, which is in the Seattle Metropolitan area, andI hope it doesn't creep to the suburbs. Trainboy Go here for my rail shots! http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=9296 Building the CPR Kootenay division in N scale, blog here: http://kootenaymodelrailway.wordpress.com/ Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by jeaton Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, September 19, 2005 8:21 AM Sorry see my web site. I do not agree with your contention. When I am at Riverside or Colton those are areas where you are ALWAYS interacting with the PUBLIC & have never been bother when I have been there. In fact when the Police need a break they sit under the I-10 overpass in Colton to get out of the California sun & have seen me several times & NEVER bother me or ask what I am doing. I guess my tripod & digital camera gives me away. http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg [:p][:p] Originally posted by BNSF railfan. [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, September 19, 2005 9:13 AM About your interaction with the public when trainfanning to reinforce what I posted earlier here is a message I received in my guest book on my web site. "It is nice to see folks enjoying the area and taking pix in both Riverside and Colton along with the Cajon Pass. I especially have to chuckle since your one picture caught my old office in Riverside in the background where I could watch the trains all day long". from that Email you can see there are biz offices at Riverside with windows overlooking the tracks. [:p][:p] Originally posted by BNSF railfan. [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply SchemerBob Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Northeast Missouri 869 posts Posted by SchemerBob on Monday, September 19, 2005 10:39 AM In some ways it's probably better to photograph trains right in the middle of things. If you do it way out somewhere or where you know most people won't see you, you'd think that would be what some terrorists would do. Right now I'm in to taking video of trains but so far I haven't brought my video camera on a national train like Amtrak or any light rail system. Probably, though, taking video is less likley to be considered what terrorists would do anyways. Long live the BNSF .... AND its paint scheme. SchemerBob Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Monday, September 19, 2005 10:46 AM The author states that this is private property. Hence, they have the right to not let people do whatever they want on the property, be it take pictures or loiter or whatever. Re-read the posting. Just as private as railroad tracks. And if the security works for a private owner, who leases the property to another entity - the owner still has the right to say what will and will not go on, on his property. Am I missing something? Mook She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, September 19, 2005 12:15 PM You should find out who really/truly owns the property. You cannot expect the supervisor not to back up the person chasing you. If as Mookie says it is private property then yes you are actually trespassing & if they represent the owner then they have the right to chase you. Go to the tax rolls of the city involved & check for the rightful owner. If the city owns it which sounds plausable as it a park & ride lot then whomever has no right/power to chase you. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by jcm2102 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply fuzzybroken Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Milwaukee, WI, US 1,384 posts Posted by fuzzybroken on Monday, September 19, 2005 12:38 PM I'll agree with what was said above. Do a little checking, find out for sure whether the lot is public, find out who hired the security company and whether what you were told was true (I doubt it). If there is a valid reason for the prohibition of photography, so be it, but if there is not make sure you know who to contact on the spot. Might not be a bad idea to get a legal protection plan too, they're not that expensive and are really worth it! -Fuzzy Fuzzy World 3 Reply Tharmeni Member sinceJuly 2003 From: Southwestern Florida 501 posts Posted by Tharmeni on Monday, September 19, 2005 2:32 PM When challenged by security/police/whatever, I found it does NOT help your case to say "Abduhl is going to be ticked off if I don't get these pictures". Reply Scoobie9669 Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Austin Texas 24 posts Posted by Scoobie9669 on Monday, September 19, 2005 3:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 JCM, Apparently in the last 3 years several terrorist suspects were observed photographing Amtrak and Commuter trains along several spots along the northeast corrirdor, including large stations. How come they where not arrested? Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,309 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Monday, September 19, 2005 4:33 PM the key here is to take pictures leave footprints.mind your manners if asked any questions.politeness goes farther than sarcasim. stay safe Joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply waltersrails Member sinceJuly 2005 From: CSXT/B&O Flora IL 1,937 posts Posted by waltersrails on Monday, September 19, 2005 4:43 PM Ive been there i was videoing a train by my house and when it passed a cop came up and asked what i was doing and i told him i was taping a train and after that he said ok as long as i wasn't doing anything illigal "this was right after the lasers being shot at airplanes" Oh well wasn't in troble and still enjoying trains. I like NS but CSX has the B&O. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 19, 2005 6:14 PM The station and surrounding land is owned by the City of Everett. The guards were hired by Sound Transit and had nothing to do with the City of Everett. Also, the city is evidently not too worried about pictures as they have posted a 9-page photo gallery of the station including site and floor plans on their web site. Some of those pictures even show trains!!! http://www.everettwa.org/station/default.asp Reply Edit SchemerBob Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Northeast Missouri 869 posts Posted by SchemerBob on Monday, September 19, 2005 7:13 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by waltersrails Ive been there i was videoing a train by my house and when it passed a cop came up and asked what i was doing and i told him i was taping a train and after that he said ok as long as i wasn't doing anything illigal "this was right after the lasers being shot at airplanes" Oh well wasn't in troble and still enjoying trains. Very similar to what happened to me. I was videotaping trains on the BNSF transcon and a BNSF policeman came up and asked what I was doing. I said I was videotaping trains and he didn't say anything more except saying that I was doing everything right and he appriciated it! Long live the BNSF .... AND its paint scheme. SchemerBob Reply RudyRockvilleMD Member sinceSeptember 2001 From: US 1,015 posts Posted by RudyRockvilleMD on Monday, September 19, 2005 9:56 PM This raises the legal issue whether railroad stations and their parking lots, etc. that are owned or supported as taxpayer financed public entities are really public property in the same sense as sidewalks and parks. Reply james saunders Member sinceNovember 2004 From: Brisbane Australia 1,721 posts Posted by james saunders on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:07 AM perhaps when photographing trains etc. you should ask the station supervisor for permission like i do even though there isnt as greater tension in Australia about terrorsism now the station supervisors know who i am and dont mind my presence on their station. James, Brisbane Australia Modelling AT&SF in the 90s Reply Tharmeni Member sinceJuly 2003 From: Southwestern Florida 501 posts Posted by Tharmeni on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 3:52 AM Do any of the security folks realize that photographing trains is not something terrorists would likely do? It's photographing TRACKs and FACILITIES that they should be watching for. Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,009 posts Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 6:45 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by RudyRockvilleMD This raises the legal issue whether railroad stations and their parking lots, etc. that are owned or supported as taxpayer financed public entities are really public property in the same sense as sidewalks and parks. Ever see a sign on a fence that said something to the effect of "City Property - Keep Out?" Despite regularly allowed public access, a lot of places really aren't "public property." Take the parking lot at the grocery store or fast food restaurant - both are truly private property to which the public is allowed access, ostensibly for the purpose of patronizing the store. The parking lot at the RR station may very well be railroad property. Arguing public financial support (subsidy, etc) is a large can of worms - you really have to look and see whose name is on the deed... If it says "Railroad", it's private property. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply trainboyH16-44 Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Mile 7.5 Laggan Sub., Great White North 4,201 posts Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 2:52 PM So, the west coast has gotten there too, eh? Too bad. I have some pretty good photos at Edmonds, which is in the Seattle Metropolitan area, andI hope it doesn't creep to the suburbs. Trainboy Go here for my rail shots! http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=9296 Building the CPR Kootenay division in N scale, blog here: http://kootenaymodelrailway.wordpress.com/ Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by BNSF railfan. [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, September 19, 2005 9:13 AM About your interaction with the public when trainfanning to reinforce what I posted earlier here is a message I received in my guest book on my web site. "It is nice to see folks enjoying the area and taking pix in both Riverside and Colton along with the Cajon Pass. I especially have to chuckle since your one picture caught my old office in Riverside in the background where I could watch the trains all day long". from that Email you can see there are biz offices at Riverside with windows overlooking the tracks. [:p][:p] Originally posted by BNSF railfan. [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply SchemerBob Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Northeast Missouri 869 posts Posted by SchemerBob on Monday, September 19, 2005 10:39 AM In some ways it's probably better to photograph trains right in the middle of things. If you do it way out somewhere or where you know most people won't see you, you'd think that would be what some terrorists would do. Right now I'm in to taking video of trains but so far I haven't brought my video camera on a national train like Amtrak or any light rail system. Probably, though, taking video is less likley to be considered what terrorists would do anyways. Long live the BNSF .... AND its paint scheme. SchemerBob Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Monday, September 19, 2005 10:46 AM The author states that this is private property. Hence, they have the right to not let people do whatever they want on the property, be it take pictures or loiter or whatever. Re-read the posting. Just as private as railroad tracks. And if the security works for a private owner, who leases the property to another entity - the owner still has the right to say what will and will not go on, on his property. Am I missing something? Mook She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, September 19, 2005 12:15 PM You should find out who really/truly owns the property. You cannot expect the supervisor not to back up the person chasing you. If as Mookie says it is private property then yes you are actually trespassing & if they represent the owner then they have the right to chase you. Go to the tax rolls of the city involved & check for the rightful owner. If the city owns it which sounds plausable as it a park & ride lot then whomever has no right/power to chase you. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by jcm2102 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply fuzzybroken Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Milwaukee, WI, US 1,384 posts Posted by fuzzybroken on Monday, September 19, 2005 12:38 PM I'll agree with what was said above. Do a little checking, find out for sure whether the lot is public, find out who hired the security company and whether what you were told was true (I doubt it). If there is a valid reason for the prohibition of photography, so be it, but if there is not make sure you know who to contact on the spot. Might not be a bad idea to get a legal protection plan too, they're not that expensive and are really worth it! -Fuzzy Fuzzy World 3 Reply Tharmeni Member sinceJuly 2003 From: Southwestern Florida 501 posts Posted by Tharmeni on Monday, September 19, 2005 2:32 PM When challenged by security/police/whatever, I found it does NOT help your case to say "Abduhl is going to be ticked off if I don't get these pictures". Reply Scoobie9669 Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Austin Texas 24 posts Posted by Scoobie9669 on Monday, September 19, 2005 3:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 JCM, Apparently in the last 3 years several terrorist suspects were observed photographing Amtrak and Commuter trains along several spots along the northeast corrirdor, including large stations. How come they where not arrested? Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,309 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Monday, September 19, 2005 4:33 PM the key here is to take pictures leave footprints.mind your manners if asked any questions.politeness goes farther than sarcasim. stay safe Joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply waltersrails Member sinceJuly 2005 From: CSXT/B&O Flora IL 1,937 posts Posted by waltersrails on Monday, September 19, 2005 4:43 PM Ive been there i was videoing a train by my house and when it passed a cop came up and asked what i was doing and i told him i was taping a train and after that he said ok as long as i wasn't doing anything illigal "this was right after the lasers being shot at airplanes" Oh well wasn't in troble and still enjoying trains. I like NS but CSX has the B&O. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 19, 2005 6:14 PM The station and surrounding land is owned by the City of Everett. The guards were hired by Sound Transit and had nothing to do with the City of Everett. Also, the city is evidently not too worried about pictures as they have posted a 9-page photo gallery of the station including site and floor plans on their web site. Some of those pictures even show trains!!! http://www.everettwa.org/station/default.asp Reply Edit SchemerBob Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Northeast Missouri 869 posts Posted by SchemerBob on Monday, September 19, 2005 7:13 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by waltersrails Ive been there i was videoing a train by my house and when it passed a cop came up and asked what i was doing and i told him i was taping a train and after that he said ok as long as i wasn't doing anything illigal "this was right after the lasers being shot at airplanes" Oh well wasn't in troble and still enjoying trains. Very similar to what happened to me. I was videotaping trains on the BNSF transcon and a BNSF policeman came up and asked what I was doing. I said I was videotaping trains and he didn't say anything more except saying that I was doing everything right and he appriciated it! Long live the BNSF .... AND its paint scheme. SchemerBob Reply RudyRockvilleMD Member sinceSeptember 2001 From: US 1,015 posts Posted by RudyRockvilleMD on Monday, September 19, 2005 9:56 PM This raises the legal issue whether railroad stations and their parking lots, etc. that are owned or supported as taxpayer financed public entities are really public property in the same sense as sidewalks and parks. Reply james saunders Member sinceNovember 2004 From: Brisbane Australia 1,721 posts Posted by james saunders on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:07 AM perhaps when photographing trains etc. you should ask the station supervisor for permission like i do even though there isnt as greater tension in Australia about terrorsism now the station supervisors know who i am and dont mind my presence on their station. James, Brisbane Australia Modelling AT&SF in the 90s Reply Tharmeni Member sinceJuly 2003 From: Southwestern Florida 501 posts Posted by Tharmeni on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 3:52 AM Do any of the security folks realize that photographing trains is not something terrorists would likely do? It's photographing TRACKs and FACILITIES that they should be watching for. Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,009 posts Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 6:45 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by RudyRockvilleMD This raises the legal issue whether railroad stations and their parking lots, etc. that are owned or supported as taxpayer financed public entities are really public property in the same sense as sidewalks and parks. Ever see a sign on a fence that said something to the effect of "City Property - Keep Out?" Despite regularly allowed public access, a lot of places really aren't "public property." Take the parking lot at the grocery store or fast food restaurant - both are truly private property to which the public is allowed access, ostensibly for the purpose of patronizing the store. The parking lot at the RR station may very well be railroad property. Arguing public financial support (subsidy, etc) is a large can of worms - you really have to look and see whose name is on the deed... If it says "Railroad", it's private property. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply trainboyH16-44 Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Mile 7.5 Laggan Sub., Great White North 4,201 posts Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 2:52 PM So, the west coast has gotten there too, eh? Too bad. I have some pretty good photos at Edmonds, which is in the Seattle Metropolitan area, andI hope it doesn't creep to the suburbs. Trainboy Go here for my rail shots! http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=9296 Building the CPR Kootenay division in N scale, blog here: http://kootenaymodelrailway.wordpress.com/ Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by BNSF railfan. [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply SchemerBob Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Northeast Missouri 869 posts Posted by SchemerBob on Monday, September 19, 2005 10:39 AM In some ways it's probably better to photograph trains right in the middle of things. If you do it way out somewhere or where you know most people won't see you, you'd think that would be what some terrorists would do. Right now I'm in to taking video of trains but so far I haven't brought my video camera on a national train like Amtrak or any light rail system. Probably, though, taking video is less likley to be considered what terrorists would do anyways. Long live the BNSF .... AND its paint scheme. SchemerBob Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Monday, September 19, 2005 10:46 AM The author states that this is private property. Hence, they have the right to not let people do whatever they want on the property, be it take pictures or loiter or whatever. Re-read the posting. Just as private as railroad tracks. And if the security works for a private owner, who leases the property to another entity - the owner still has the right to say what will and will not go on, on his property. Am I missing something? Mook She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, September 19, 2005 12:15 PM You should find out who really/truly owns the property. You cannot expect the supervisor not to back up the person chasing you. If as Mookie says it is private property then yes you are actually trespassing & if they represent the owner then they have the right to chase you. Go to the tax rolls of the city involved & check for the rightful owner. If the city owns it which sounds plausable as it a park & ride lot then whomever has no right/power to chase you. [:o)][:p] Originally posted by jcm2102 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply fuzzybroken Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Milwaukee, WI, US 1,384 posts Posted by fuzzybroken on Monday, September 19, 2005 12:38 PM I'll agree with what was said above. Do a little checking, find out for sure whether the lot is public, find out who hired the security company and whether what you were told was true (I doubt it). If there is a valid reason for the prohibition of photography, so be it, but if there is not make sure you know who to contact on the spot. Might not be a bad idea to get a legal protection plan too, they're not that expensive and are really worth it! -Fuzzy Fuzzy World 3 Reply Tharmeni Member sinceJuly 2003 From: Southwestern Florida 501 posts Posted by Tharmeni on Monday, September 19, 2005 2:32 PM When challenged by security/police/whatever, I found it does NOT help your case to say "Abduhl is going to be ticked off if I don't get these pictures". Reply Scoobie9669 Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Austin Texas 24 posts Posted by Scoobie9669 on Monday, September 19, 2005 3:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 JCM, Apparently in the last 3 years several terrorist suspects were observed photographing Amtrak and Commuter trains along several spots along the northeast corrirdor, including large stations. How come they where not arrested? Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,309 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Monday, September 19, 2005 4:33 PM the key here is to take pictures leave footprints.mind your manners if asked any questions.politeness goes farther than sarcasim. stay safe Joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply waltersrails Member sinceJuly 2005 From: CSXT/B&O Flora IL 1,937 posts Posted by waltersrails on Monday, September 19, 2005 4:43 PM Ive been there i was videoing a train by my house and when it passed a cop came up and asked what i was doing and i told him i was taping a train and after that he said ok as long as i wasn't doing anything illigal "this was right after the lasers being shot at airplanes" Oh well wasn't in troble and still enjoying trains. I like NS but CSX has the B&O. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 19, 2005 6:14 PM The station and surrounding land is owned by the City of Everett. The guards were hired by Sound Transit and had nothing to do with the City of Everett. Also, the city is evidently not too worried about pictures as they have posted a 9-page photo gallery of the station including site and floor plans on their web site. Some of those pictures even show trains!!! http://www.everettwa.org/station/default.asp Reply Edit SchemerBob Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Northeast Missouri 869 posts Posted by SchemerBob on Monday, September 19, 2005 7:13 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by waltersrails Ive been there i was videoing a train by my house and when it passed a cop came up and asked what i was doing and i told him i was taping a train and after that he said ok as long as i wasn't doing anything illigal "this was right after the lasers being shot at airplanes" Oh well wasn't in troble and still enjoying trains. Very similar to what happened to me. I was videotaping trains on the BNSF transcon and a BNSF policeman came up and asked what I was doing. I said I was videotaping trains and he didn't say anything more except saying that I was doing everything right and he appriciated it! Long live the BNSF .... AND its paint scheme. SchemerBob Reply RudyRockvilleMD Member sinceSeptember 2001 From: US 1,015 posts Posted by RudyRockvilleMD on Monday, September 19, 2005 9:56 PM This raises the legal issue whether railroad stations and their parking lots, etc. that are owned or supported as taxpayer financed public entities are really public property in the same sense as sidewalks and parks. Reply james saunders Member sinceNovember 2004 From: Brisbane Australia 1,721 posts Posted by james saunders on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:07 AM perhaps when photographing trains etc. you should ask the station supervisor for permission like i do even though there isnt as greater tension in Australia about terrorsism now the station supervisors know who i am and dont mind my presence on their station. James, Brisbane Australia Modelling AT&SF in the 90s Reply Tharmeni Member sinceJuly 2003 From: Southwestern Florida 501 posts Posted by Tharmeni on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 3:52 AM Do any of the security folks realize that photographing trains is not something terrorists would likely do? It's photographing TRACKs and FACILITIES that they should be watching for. Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,009 posts Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 6:45 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by RudyRockvilleMD This raises the legal issue whether railroad stations and their parking lots, etc. that are owned or supported as taxpayer financed public entities are really public property in the same sense as sidewalks and parks. Ever see a sign on a fence that said something to the effect of "City Property - Keep Out?" Despite regularly allowed public access, a lot of places really aren't "public property." Take the parking lot at the grocery store or fast food restaurant - both are truly private property to which the public is allowed access, ostensibly for the purpose of patronizing the store. The parking lot at the RR station may very well be railroad property. Arguing public financial support (subsidy, etc) is a large can of worms - you really have to look and see whose name is on the deed... If it says "Railroad", it's private property. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply trainboyH16-44 Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Mile 7.5 Laggan Sub., Great White North 4,201 posts Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 2:52 PM So, the west coast has gotten there too, eh? Too bad. I have some pretty good photos at Edmonds, which is in the Seattle Metropolitan area, andI hope it doesn't creep to the suburbs. Trainboy Go here for my rail shots! http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=9296 Building the CPR Kootenay division in N scale, blog here: http://kootenaymodelrailway.wordpress.com/ Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by jcm2102 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply fuzzybroken Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Milwaukee, WI, US 1,384 posts Posted by fuzzybroken on Monday, September 19, 2005 12:38 PM I'll agree with what was said above. Do a little checking, find out for sure whether the lot is public, find out who hired the security company and whether what you were told was true (I doubt it). If there is a valid reason for the prohibition of photography, so be it, but if there is not make sure you know who to contact on the spot. Might not be a bad idea to get a legal protection plan too, they're not that expensive and are really worth it! -Fuzzy Fuzzy World 3 Reply Tharmeni Member sinceJuly 2003 From: Southwestern Florida 501 posts Posted by Tharmeni on Monday, September 19, 2005 2:32 PM When challenged by security/police/whatever, I found it does NOT help your case to say "Abduhl is going to be ticked off if I don't get these pictures". Reply Scoobie9669 Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Austin Texas 24 posts Posted by Scoobie9669 on Monday, September 19, 2005 3:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 JCM, Apparently in the last 3 years several terrorist suspects were observed photographing Amtrak and Commuter trains along several spots along the northeast corrirdor, including large stations. How come they where not arrested? Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,309 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Monday, September 19, 2005 4:33 PM the key here is to take pictures leave footprints.mind your manners if asked any questions.politeness goes farther than sarcasim. stay safe Joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply waltersrails Member sinceJuly 2005 From: CSXT/B&O Flora IL 1,937 posts Posted by waltersrails on Monday, September 19, 2005 4:43 PM Ive been there i was videoing a train by my house and when it passed a cop came up and asked what i was doing and i told him i was taping a train and after that he said ok as long as i wasn't doing anything illigal "this was right after the lasers being shot at airplanes" Oh well wasn't in troble and still enjoying trains. I like NS but CSX has the B&O. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 19, 2005 6:14 PM The station and surrounding land is owned by the City of Everett. The guards were hired by Sound Transit and had nothing to do with the City of Everett. Also, the city is evidently not too worried about pictures as they have posted a 9-page photo gallery of the station including site and floor plans on their web site. Some of those pictures even show trains!!! http://www.everettwa.org/station/default.asp Reply Edit SchemerBob Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Northeast Missouri 869 posts Posted by SchemerBob on Monday, September 19, 2005 7:13 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by waltersrails Ive been there i was videoing a train by my house and when it passed a cop came up and asked what i was doing and i told him i was taping a train and after that he said ok as long as i wasn't doing anything illigal "this was right after the lasers being shot at airplanes" Oh well wasn't in troble and still enjoying trains. Very similar to what happened to me. I was videotaping trains on the BNSF transcon and a BNSF policeman came up and asked what I was doing. I said I was videotaping trains and he didn't say anything more except saying that I was doing everything right and he appriciated it! Long live the BNSF .... AND its paint scheme. SchemerBob Reply RudyRockvilleMD Member sinceSeptember 2001 From: US 1,015 posts Posted by RudyRockvilleMD on Monday, September 19, 2005 9:56 PM This raises the legal issue whether railroad stations and their parking lots, etc. that are owned or supported as taxpayer financed public entities are really public property in the same sense as sidewalks and parks. Reply james saunders Member sinceNovember 2004 From: Brisbane Australia 1,721 posts Posted by james saunders on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:07 AM perhaps when photographing trains etc. you should ask the station supervisor for permission like i do even though there isnt as greater tension in Australia about terrorsism now the station supervisors know who i am and dont mind my presence on their station. James, Brisbane Australia Modelling AT&SF in the 90s Reply Tharmeni Member sinceJuly 2003 From: Southwestern Florida 501 posts Posted by Tharmeni on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 3:52 AM Do any of the security folks realize that photographing trains is not something terrorists would likely do? It's photographing TRACKs and FACILITIES that they should be watching for. Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,009 posts Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 6:45 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by RudyRockvilleMD This raises the legal issue whether railroad stations and their parking lots, etc. that are owned or supported as taxpayer financed public entities are really public property in the same sense as sidewalks and parks. Ever see a sign on a fence that said something to the effect of "City Property - Keep Out?" Despite regularly allowed public access, a lot of places really aren't "public property." Take the parking lot at the grocery store or fast food restaurant - both are truly private property to which the public is allowed access, ostensibly for the purpose of patronizing the store. The parking lot at the RR station may very well be railroad property. Arguing public financial support (subsidy, etc) is a large can of worms - you really have to look and see whose name is on the deed... If it says "Railroad", it's private property. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply trainboyH16-44 Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Mile 7.5 Laggan Sub., Great White North 4,201 posts Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 2:52 PM So, the west coast has gotten there too, eh? Too bad. I have some pretty good photos at Edmonds, which is in the Seattle Metropolitan area, andI hope it doesn't creep to the suburbs. Trainboy Go here for my rail shots! http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=9296 Building the CPR Kootenay division in N scale, blog here: http://kootenaymodelrailway.wordpress.com/ Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 JCM, Apparently in the last 3 years several terrorist suspects were observed photographing Amtrak and Commuter trains along several spots along the northeast corrirdor, including large stations.
Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener").
QUOTE: Originally posted by waltersrails Ive been there i was videoing a train by my house and when it passed a cop came up and asked what i was doing and i told him i was taping a train and after that he said ok as long as i wasn't doing anything illigal "this was right after the lasers being shot at airplanes" Oh well wasn't in troble and still enjoying trains.
James, Brisbane Australia
Modelling AT&SF in the 90s
QUOTE: Originally posted by RudyRockvilleMD This raises the legal issue whether railroad stations and their parking lots, etc. that are owned or supported as taxpayer financed public entities are really public property in the same sense as sidewalks and parks.
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
Go here for my rail shots! http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=9296
Building the CPR Kootenay division in N scale, blog here: http://kootenaymodelrailway.wordpress.com/
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