Originally posted by Peterson6868 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jchnhtfd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: US 1,537 posts Posted by jchnhtfd on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:17 AM Why on earth bother? Ship containers for any freight that offers (precious little -- the only decent port in Siberia is Vladivostok, and that's being generous)(at least it's at the end of a rail line... and I do mean the end... of a very long rail line... !) Jamie Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:18 PM Hmmm...ever heard of iceburgs? how about this then...pack ice! Ever contemplated the phrase "zero visability" or seen a sea with waves higher than the ship...welcome to the Bearing Straights. Plus when the ship finally made it across, where the heck would it go? theres NO connecting land rail-line from Alaska to Canada or the lower 48? Not to mention 1000's of miles of empty tundra on the Ruskie side. Have fun with your trains Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed H'mm at one time Seatrain was the largest bankruptcy on the NYSE. They went out of biz in the early 80's. You maybe thinking of Sealand who was acquired from the CSX by Maersk some years ago. Also I would say due to extreme weather conditions in the Behring Strait car ferries may not be to safe. Just ask the Russians when they were building the Siberian transcon they intended to car ferry trains across lake Baikal & check out there results of that venture. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Peterson6868 [ The train ferry is still there and connects the Lower 48 with Alaska. I don't know who is running it now. I also think the ferry connection out of Prince Rupert is still operating. I pay almost no attention to this part of things so I can be out of date. Eric Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:53 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed H'mm at one time Seatrain was the largest bankruptcy on the NYSE. They went out of biz in the early 80's. You maybe thinking of Sealand who was acquired from the CSX by Maersk some years ago. Also I would say due to extreme weather conditions in the Behring Strait car ferries may not be to safe. Just ask the Russians when they were building the Siberian transcon they intended to car ferry trains across lake Baikal & check out there results of that venture. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Peterson6868 [ The train ferry is still there and connects the Lower 48 with Alaska. I don't know who is running it now. I also think the ferry connection out of Prince Rupert is still operating. I pay almost no attention to this part of things so I can be out of date. Yes, the Alaska(not sure which port) to Prince Rupert BC railroad ferry service is still in operation by the CN, billed as the CN's "AquaTrain" ferry service [C):-)]. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:55 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith Hmmm...ever heard of iceburgs? how about this then...pack ice! Ever contemplated the phrase "zero visability" or seen a sea with waves higher than the ship...welcome to the Bearing Straights. Plus when the ship finally made it across, where the heck would it go? theres NO connecting land rail-line from Alaska to Canada or the lower 48? Not to mention 1000's of miles of empty tundra on the Ruskie side. Transportation officials from the Alaska state government and Yukon povincial government are currently studying proposals for a direct rail connection from the Alaska Railroad to one of the Canadian rail systems. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:57 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by jchnhtfd Why on earth bother? Ship containers for any freight that offers (precious little -- the only decent port in Siberia is Vladivostok, and that's being generous)(at least it's at the end of a rail line... and I do mean the end... of a very long rail line... !) Additionally, not all ports in Alaska and Siberia are ice-free on a year-round basis [:(] Reply Edit dharmon Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Bottom Left Corner, USA 3,420 posts Posted by dharmon on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 2:31 PM Because a small RR ferry in the wintertime would turn into a huge SAR effort for the crew when it goes down. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 26, 2005 6:32 AM There is a good reason why most of the freight traveling from Japan, Korea, and China to Europe takes the long way across the Pacific, the USA and the Atlantic instead of a shorter overland route through Siberia. Russia cannot presently prevent the rampant theft of any and all property within its borders. That plus the corruption, and organized crime makes it difficult to do business there at this time. When the Russian government brings these problems down to reasonable levels we will lose a lot of our double stack traffic. Reply Edit ValorStorm Member sinceMarch 2002 From: MRL 3rd Sub MP117 "No defects, repeat, no defects" 360 posts Posted by ValorStorm on Saturday, June 4, 2005 4:01 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by rdganthracite ...Russia cannot presently prevent the rampant theft of any and all property within its borders. That plus the corruption, and organized crime makes it difficult to do business there at this time. That is the only rational argument against my January 1991 TRAINS Magazine editorial that I've ever heard. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 4, 2005 1:43 PM That's what intermodal is all about, why move a boxcar across the ocean on a train ferry when it can be shipping on a container ship. Makes more sense to me, am I missing something here? Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed H'mm at one time Seatrain was the largest bankruptcy on the NYSE. They went out of biz in the early 80's. You maybe thinking of Sealand who was acquired from the CSX by Maersk some years ago. Also I would say due to extreme weather conditions in the Behring Strait car ferries may not be to safe. Just ask the Russians when they were building the Siberian transcon they intended to car ferry trains across lake Baikal & check out there results of that venture. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Peterson6868 [ The train ferry is still there and connects the Lower 48 with Alaska. I don't know who is running it now. I also think the ferry connection out of Prince Rupert is still operating. I pay almost no attention to this part of things so I can be out of date. Eric Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:53 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed H'mm at one time Seatrain was the largest bankruptcy on the NYSE. They went out of biz in the early 80's. You maybe thinking of Sealand who was acquired from the CSX by Maersk some years ago. Also I would say due to extreme weather conditions in the Behring Strait car ferries may not be to safe. Just ask the Russians when they were building the Siberian transcon they intended to car ferry trains across lake Baikal & check out there results of that venture. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Peterson6868 [ The train ferry is still there and connects the Lower 48 with Alaska. I don't know who is running it now. I also think the ferry connection out of Prince Rupert is still operating. I pay almost no attention to this part of things so I can be out of date. Yes, the Alaska(not sure which port) to Prince Rupert BC railroad ferry service is still in operation by the CN, billed as the CN's "AquaTrain" ferry service [C):-)]. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:55 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith Hmmm...ever heard of iceburgs? how about this then...pack ice! Ever contemplated the phrase "zero visability" or seen a sea with waves higher than the ship...welcome to the Bearing Straights. Plus when the ship finally made it across, where the heck would it go? theres NO connecting land rail-line from Alaska to Canada or the lower 48? Not to mention 1000's of miles of empty tundra on the Ruskie side. Transportation officials from the Alaska state government and Yukon povincial government are currently studying proposals for a direct rail connection from the Alaska Railroad to one of the Canadian rail systems. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:57 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by jchnhtfd Why on earth bother? Ship containers for any freight that offers (precious little -- the only decent port in Siberia is Vladivostok, and that's being generous)(at least it's at the end of a rail line... and I do mean the end... of a very long rail line... !) Additionally, not all ports in Alaska and Siberia are ice-free on a year-round basis [:(] Reply Edit dharmon Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Bottom Left Corner, USA 3,420 posts Posted by dharmon on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 2:31 PM Because a small RR ferry in the wintertime would turn into a huge SAR effort for the crew when it goes down. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 26, 2005 6:32 AM There is a good reason why most of the freight traveling from Japan, Korea, and China to Europe takes the long way across the Pacific, the USA and the Atlantic instead of a shorter overland route through Siberia. Russia cannot presently prevent the rampant theft of any and all property within its borders. That plus the corruption, and organized crime makes it difficult to do business there at this time. When the Russian government brings these problems down to reasonable levels we will lose a lot of our double stack traffic. Reply Edit ValorStorm Member sinceMarch 2002 From: MRL 3rd Sub MP117 "No defects, repeat, no defects" 360 posts Posted by ValorStorm on Saturday, June 4, 2005 4:01 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by rdganthracite ...Russia cannot presently prevent the rampant theft of any and all property within its borders. That plus the corruption, and organized crime makes it difficult to do business there at this time. That is the only rational argument against my January 1991 TRAINS Magazine editorial that I've ever heard. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 4, 2005 1:43 PM That's what intermodal is all about, why move a boxcar across the ocean on a train ferry when it can be shipping on a container ship. Makes more sense to me, am I missing something here? Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed H'mm at one time Seatrain was the largest bankruptcy on the NYSE. They went out of biz in the early 80's. You maybe thinking of Sealand who was acquired from the CSX by Maersk some years ago. Also I would say due to extreme weather conditions in the Behring Strait car ferries may not be to safe. Just ask the Russians when they were building the Siberian transcon they intended to car ferry trains across lake Baikal & check out there results of that venture. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Peterson6868 [ The train ferry is still there and connects the Lower 48 with Alaska. I don't know who is running it now. I also think the ferry connection out of Prince Rupert is still operating. I pay almost no attention to this part of things so I can be out of date. Yes, the Alaska(not sure which port) to Prince Rupert BC railroad ferry service is still in operation by the CN, billed as the CN's "AquaTrain" ferry service [C):-)]. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:55 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith Hmmm...ever heard of iceburgs? how about this then...pack ice! Ever contemplated the phrase "zero visability" or seen a sea with waves higher than the ship...welcome to the Bearing Straights. Plus when the ship finally made it across, where the heck would it go? theres NO connecting land rail-line from Alaska to Canada or the lower 48? Not to mention 1000's of miles of empty tundra on the Ruskie side. Transportation officials from the Alaska state government and Yukon povincial government are currently studying proposals for a direct rail connection from the Alaska Railroad to one of the Canadian rail systems. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:57 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by jchnhtfd Why on earth bother? Ship containers for any freight that offers (precious little -- the only decent port in Siberia is Vladivostok, and that's being generous)(at least it's at the end of a rail line... and I do mean the end... of a very long rail line... !) Additionally, not all ports in Alaska and Siberia are ice-free on a year-round basis [:(] Reply Edit dharmon Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Bottom Left Corner, USA 3,420 posts Posted by dharmon on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 2:31 PM Because a small RR ferry in the wintertime would turn into a huge SAR effort for the crew when it goes down. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 26, 2005 6:32 AM There is a good reason why most of the freight traveling from Japan, Korea, and China to Europe takes the long way across the Pacific, the USA and the Atlantic instead of a shorter overland route through Siberia. Russia cannot presently prevent the rampant theft of any and all property within its borders. That plus the corruption, and organized crime makes it difficult to do business there at this time. When the Russian government brings these problems down to reasonable levels we will lose a lot of our double stack traffic. Reply Edit ValorStorm Member sinceMarch 2002 From: MRL 3rd Sub MP117 "No defects, repeat, no defects" 360 posts Posted by ValorStorm on Saturday, June 4, 2005 4:01 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by rdganthracite ...Russia cannot presently prevent the rampant theft of any and all property within its borders. That plus the corruption, and organized crime makes it difficult to do business there at this time. That is the only rational argument against my January 1991 TRAINS Magazine editorial that I've ever heard. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 4, 2005 1:43 PM That's what intermodal is all about, why move a boxcar across the ocean on a train ferry when it can be shipping on a container ship. Makes more sense to me, am I missing something here? Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed H'mm at one time Seatrain was the largest bankruptcy on the NYSE. They went out of biz in the early 80's. You maybe thinking of Sealand who was acquired from the CSX by Maersk some years ago. Also I would say due to extreme weather conditions in the Behring Strait car ferries may not be to safe. Just ask the Russians when they were building the Siberian transcon they intended to car ferry trains across lake Baikal & check out there results of that venture. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Peterson6868 [ The train ferry is still there and connects the Lower 48 with Alaska. I don't know who is running it now. I also think the ferry connection out of Prince Rupert is still operating. I pay almost no attention to this part of things so I can be out of date.
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith Hmmm...ever heard of iceburgs? how about this then...pack ice! Ever contemplated the phrase "zero visability" or seen a sea with waves higher than the ship...welcome to the Bearing Straights. Plus when the ship finally made it across, where the heck would it go? theres NO connecting land rail-line from Alaska to Canada or the lower 48? Not to mention 1000's of miles of empty tundra on the Ruskie side.
QUOTE: Originally posted by jchnhtfd Why on earth bother? Ship containers for any freight that offers (precious little -- the only decent port in Siberia is Vladivostok, and that's being generous)(at least it's at the end of a rail line... and I do mean the end... of a very long rail line... !)
QUOTE: Originally posted by rdganthracite ...Russia cannot presently prevent the rampant theft of any and all property within its borders. That plus the corruption, and organized crime makes it difficult to do business there at this time.
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