QUOTE: Originally posted by rdganthracite ...Russia cannot presently prevent the rampant theft of any and all property within its borders. That plus the corruption, and organized crime makes it difficult to do business there at this time.
QUOTE: Originally posted by jchnhtfd Why on earth bother? Ship containers for any freight that offers (precious little -- the only decent port in Siberia is Vladivostok, and that's being generous)(at least it's at the end of a rail line... and I do mean the end... of a very long rail line... !)
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith Hmmm...ever heard of iceburgs? how about this then...pack ice! Ever contemplated the phrase "zero visability" or seen a sea with waves higher than the ship...welcome to the Bearing Straights. Plus when the ship finally made it across, where the heck would it go? theres NO connecting land rail-line from Alaska to Canada or the lower 48? Not to mention 1000's of miles of empty tundra on the Ruskie side.
QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed H'mm at one time Seatrain was the largest bankruptcy on the NYSE. They went out of biz in the early 80's. You maybe thinking of Sealand who was acquired from the CSX by Maersk some years ago. Also I would say due to extreme weather conditions in the Behring Strait car ferries may not be to safe. Just ask the Russians when they were building the Siberian transcon they intended to car ferry trains across lake Baikal & check out there results of that venture. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Peterson6868 [ The train ferry is still there and connects the Lower 48 with Alaska. I don't know who is running it now. I also think the ferry connection out of Prince Rupert is still operating. I pay almost no attention to this part of things so I can be out of date. Yes, the Alaska(not sure which port) to Prince Rupert BC railroad ferry service is still in operation by the CN, billed as the CN's "AquaTrain" ferry service [C):-)]. Reply Edit kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed H'mm at one time Seatrain was the largest bankruptcy on the NYSE. They went out of biz in the early 80's. You maybe thinking of Sealand who was acquired from the CSX by Maersk some years ago. Also I would say due to extreme weather conditions in the Behring Strait car ferries may not be to safe. Just ask the Russians when they were building the Siberian transcon they intended to car ferry trains across lake Baikal & check out there results of that venture. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Peterson6868 [ The train ferry is still there and connects the Lower 48 with Alaska. I don't know who is running it now. I also think the ferry connection out of Prince Rupert is still operating. I pay almost no attention to this part of things so I can be out of date. Eric Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:18 PM Hmmm...ever heard of iceburgs? how about this then...pack ice! Ever contemplated the phrase "zero visability" or seen a sea with waves higher than the ship...welcome to the Bearing Straights. Plus when the ship finally made it across, where the heck would it go? theres NO connecting land rail-line from Alaska to Canada or the lower 48? Not to mention 1000's of miles of empty tundra on the Ruskie side. Have fun with your trains Reply jchnhtfd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: US 1,537 posts Posted by jchnhtfd on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:17 AM Why on earth bother? Ship containers for any freight that offers (precious little -- the only decent port in Siberia is Vladivostok, and that's being generous)(at least it's at the end of a rail line... and I do mean the end... of a very long rail line... !) Jamie Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:45 AM H'mm at one time Seatrain was the largest bankruptcy on the NYSE. They went out of biz in the early 80's. You maybe thinking of Sealand who was acquired from the CSX by Maersk some years ago. Also I would say due to extreme weather conditions in the Behring Strait car ferries may not be to safe. Just ask the Russians when they were building the Siberian transcon they intended to car ferry trains across lake Baikal & check out there results of that venture. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Peterson6868 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:54 AM For much the same reason that a bridge is not a good idea. Weather. The Bearing Sea and Straits are about the roughest in the world and the average temperatures in the region are dangerous to be exposed to most of the time. And then there is the traffic volume. No traffic volume. Alaska Air used to fly twice a week into Siberia (don't remember the name of the place) but the plane, when it could fly, seldom was every full. Then there is the guage problem. Russia is 5 foot. US is 4 foot 8.5 inch. Since you will either have to re-truck the cars or transload the cars, you might as well do the standard steamer thing and ship to Japan for forwarding on the (sometimes as often as) weekly run across the Sea of Japan to Russia. If the business were there, so also would be a RR connection. Eric Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts With all the talk about a Bridge to the Russia,Why not start small with a RR Ferry? Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:46 PM Seatrain I belive runs servce from Canada to Alaska so service to Russia is possible. The problem is that of a Railroad Connection on the other side. I belive that a transload facility could be a temporay solution. Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed H'mm at one time Seatrain was the largest bankruptcy on the NYSE. They went out of biz in the early 80's. You maybe thinking of Sealand who was acquired from the CSX by Maersk some years ago. Also I would say due to extreme weather conditions in the Behring Strait car ferries may not be to safe. Just ask the Russians when they were building the Siberian transcon they intended to car ferry trains across lake Baikal & check out there results of that venture. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Peterson6868 [ The train ferry is still there and connects the Lower 48 with Alaska. I don't know who is running it now. I also think the ferry connection out of Prince Rupert is still operating. I pay almost no attention to this part of things so I can be out of date.
Originally posted by Peterson6868 [
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed H'mm at one time Seatrain was the largest bankruptcy on the NYSE. They went out of biz in the early 80's. You maybe thinking of Sealand who was acquired from the CSX by Maersk some years ago. Also I would say due to extreme weather conditions in the Behring Strait car ferries may not be to safe. Just ask the Russians when they were building the Siberian transcon they intended to car ferry trains across lake Baikal & check out there results of that venture. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Peterson6868 [ The train ferry is still there and connects the Lower 48 with Alaska. I don't know who is running it now. I also think the ferry connection out of Prince Rupert is still operating. I pay almost no attention to this part of things so I can be out of date. Eric Reply vsmith Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Smoggy L.A. 10,743 posts Posted by vsmith on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:18 PM Hmmm...ever heard of iceburgs? how about this then...pack ice! Ever contemplated the phrase "zero visability" or seen a sea with waves higher than the ship...welcome to the Bearing Straights. Plus when the ship finally made it across, where the heck would it go? theres NO connecting land rail-line from Alaska to Canada or the lower 48? Not to mention 1000's of miles of empty tundra on the Ruskie side. Have fun with your trains Reply jchnhtfd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: US 1,537 posts Posted by jchnhtfd on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:17 AM Why on earth bother? Ship containers for any freight that offers (precious little -- the only decent port in Siberia is Vladivostok, and that's being generous)(at least it's at the end of a rail line... and I do mean the end... of a very long rail line... !) Jamie Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:45 AM H'mm at one time Seatrain was the largest bankruptcy on the NYSE. They went out of biz in the early 80's. You maybe thinking of Sealand who was acquired from the CSX by Maersk some years ago. Also I would say due to extreme weather conditions in the Behring Strait car ferries may not be to safe. Just ask the Russians when they were building the Siberian transcon they intended to car ferry trains across lake Baikal & check out there results of that venture. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Peterson6868 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:54 AM For much the same reason that a bridge is not a good idea. Weather. The Bearing Sea and Straits are about the roughest in the world and the average temperatures in the region are dangerous to be exposed to most of the time. And then there is the traffic volume. No traffic volume. Alaska Air used to fly twice a week into Siberia (don't remember the name of the place) but the plane, when it could fly, seldom was every full. Then there is the guage problem. Russia is 5 foot. US is 4 foot 8.5 inch. Since you will either have to re-truck the cars or transload the cars, you might as well do the standard steamer thing and ship to Japan for forwarding on the (sometimes as often as) weekly run across the Sea of Japan to Russia. If the business were there, so also would be a RR connection. Eric Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts With all the talk about a Bridge to the Russia,Why not start small with a RR Ferry? Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:46 PM Seatrain I belive runs servce from Canada to Alaska so service to Russia is possible. The problem is that of a Railroad Connection on the other side. I belive that a transload facility could be a temporay solution. Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by Peterson6868 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:54 AM For much the same reason that a bridge is not a good idea. Weather. The Bearing Sea and Straits are about the roughest in the world and the average temperatures in the region are dangerous to be exposed to most of the time. And then there is the traffic volume. No traffic volume. Alaska Air used to fly twice a week into Siberia (don't remember the name of the place) but the plane, when it could fly, seldom was every full. Then there is the guage problem. Russia is 5 foot. US is 4 foot 8.5 inch. Since you will either have to re-truck the cars or transload the cars, you might as well do the standard steamer thing and ship to Japan for forwarding on the (sometimes as often as) weekly run across the Sea of Japan to Russia. If the business were there, so also would be a RR connection. Eric Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts With all the talk about a Bridge to the Russia,Why not start small with a RR Ferry? Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:46 PM Seatrain I belive runs servce from Canada to Alaska so service to Russia is possible. The problem is that of a Railroad Connection on the other side. I belive that a transload facility could be a temporay solution. Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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