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[quote]QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98 [quote]QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal There does seem to be a collection of some here who get uncomfortable with certain topics being bandied about, maybe because in the course of free discussion someone somewhere might actually come across a solution to a problem and then the whole apple cart is turned over, e.g. change in the status quo can cause stress. It doesn't matter what the subject is: Changes to Amtrak (and all the subtopics e.g. M & E, LD's vs NEC, subsidies, etc), open access, competitive access, re-regulation, complete deregulation, mergers, break ups of existing merged companies, time saving innovations, fuel saving innovations, even off topic subjects like increasing trucks' GVW, all these have in common at least one person on this forum who wishes the topic would just go away. And because they disagree with you, they will say you are WRONG SO WE SHOULD JUST KILL THE TOPIC, or IT WAS TRIED BY SOME DOOMED RAILROAD LIKE THE ROCK ISLAND A FEW YEARS BACK AND IT DIDN'T WORK THEN SO IT WON'T WORK NOW, or IT DOESN'T WORK IN GREAT BRITAIN SO THAT PROVES IT WON'T WORK HERE, or EVERYONE WHO SAYS ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF TRAVELERS RIDE AMTRAK ARE LIARS AND ARE ONLY "SO-CALLED RAILFANS" NOT REAL RAILFANS, or my favorite IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF BREAKING UP THE CURRENT RAIL OLIGARCHY YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A COMMUNIST IN CAPITALIST'S CLOTHES. No problem was ever solved by repressing debate, so what ever you do don't let the naysayers intimidate you. If need be go back and do some fact checking from time to time to make sure your arguments are on the right track, but otherwise keep up the lively debate! [/quote]some of what you mentioned has been discused...and has been showen that it WONT WORK.... its not so much that someone wants the subject killed becouse they dont like the subject...its more a matter of wanting it killed becoues stupid people insist on beating a dead horse mentality... people that think they have all the anwswers and think they have every angle covered keep forgetting the major point ....REALITY!!!! thier ideas and ways of thinking might sound great on paper..but in the REAL WORLD (REALITY) they have been tried and have failed..or have already been proposed and have failed befor they ever got off the drawing board.... but to keep trying to attack it from all angles..only to have the ideas shot down..time and time agin...gets old... thats the point here... one can only tell someone so many times befor they get POed and just tell you to shove it and drop the idea... csx engineer [/quote] .......blah blah blah blah blah blah was discussed blah blah blah......blah blah blah WONT WORK blah blah........blah blah blah REALITY (sic)!!!! blah blah blah blah been tried blah blah blah blah blah ideas shot down blah blah blah........ blah blah blah........ gets old gets POed blah blah blah shove it.... Is that the gist? The question I have is if these topics get you all riled, why not just ignore them? You can only have a conversation so far before some element of insecurity takes hold and causes a blow up. I think Junction Fan's whole point is that you don't need to be insulting, and if you only have limited information or a total reliance on a personal bias to explain a view, then you have to expect a proponent of that view to ask for a more detailed reason for your opposition to that view. Just constantly saying IT WONT WORK when common sense, theoretical constructs, number crunching, and the desire to tackle a percieved problem head on all say that IT JUST MIGHT WORK if only someone will let it work, or at least let it evolve into a workable solution to some degree, is not providing what should be demanded in discussing these topics, which is to exhaust all possibilities before someone's idea is dismissed. Your two cents worth are certainly taken into consideration, but beyond that you really should defer to a larger body of knowledge rather than making yourself judge and jury and pronouncing sentence. Otherwise, you may just end up suppressing someone's idea that might someday make a huge improvement to some sector of the entire railroading genre.
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