tree68 Having spent my early years in southeast Michigan, I consider MI as the "midwest." I will agree, though, that it's kind of confusing figuring out just how far west the "midwest" goes. OTOH, after a while it becomes the Great Plains, so it has an identity of its own. Similarly, Michigan is on the northern end of tornado alley, although most folks think of Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, etc, for that.
Having spent my early years in southeast Michigan, I consider MI as the "midwest." I will agree, though, that it's kind of confusing figuring out just how far west the "midwest" goes.
OTOH, after a while it becomes the Great Plains, so it has an identity of its own.
Similarly, Michigan is on the northern end of tornado alley, although most folks think of Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, etc, for that.
When you mention the original Big 10, I presume that you include the University of Chicago instead of Michigan State.
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mudchickenSwink, Joes, Idalia, Two Buttes (many-cheeks), Walsh, Kit Carson, Cheyenne Wells, Peetz, Pritchett, Punkin Center, Last Chance et al need a new press agent. ( Diningcar is more of a Colorado native than me [I'm a resident alien?]- his old stomping grounds is full of obscure spots that would bewilder Denverites.) How about authentic dinosaur tracks in the Picketwire River bottom, about thirty- five miles south from La Junta; upstream from Higby abut ten miles.
How about authentic dinosaur tracks in the Picketwire River bottom, about thirty- five miles south from La Junta; upstream from Higby abut ten miles.
MidlandMike Back on the subject of questionable yard investment, UP was a partner in the Mid-Willamette Valley Intermodal Center in Millersburg, Oregon built last year. I see headlines that it has never had business, but the articles were behind a paywall. Does anyone know what's happening there?
Back on the subject of questionable yard investment, UP was a partner in the Mid-Willamette Valley Intermodal Center in Millersburg, Oregon built last year. I see headlines that it has never had business, but the articles were behind a paywall. Does anyone know what's happening there?
There’s was never an agreement to, how, or who will supply empty containers. None of the alliance’s have made a commitment. There’s also no import side that was developed.This facility being located on UP I-5 corridor, is actually in a good location for pickup or setout. The problem is UP is not going to stop and work this facility, due to the imbalance of export only..ConGlobal who contracted to operate the facility backed out.. Just an FYI ConGlobal is one of the largest domestic intermodal facility contract operators in the nation. For them to back out says quite a bit about the situation.
NKP guy Gramp By the way, as the Baltimore and Ohio built west toward the Ohio River, which city did it seek to reach the River? Wheeling, Virginia was, I believe, the original goal of the B&O, reflecting the fact that rivers were the routes to the interior of the country at that time. If the other two cites that you're referencing are Pittsburgh and Cincinnati, I believe they were reached considerably later. The Erie Railroad used the Atlantic & Great Western RR to reach from western New York to Hamilton, Ohio and (via trackage rights) Cincinnati when it opened in 1863, because before the Civil War traffic patterns were largely north - south; the war put an end to that. Later, Chicago became the desired end point for eastern railroads because of, and shortly after the Civil War. The Erie built a subsidiary to reach Chicago from Marion, O., and the former trunk line to Hamilton lost much of its importance to that railroad. Chicago became the point from which to access the trans-Mississippi west, not because of the Pacific railroad at first, but because of its location on the Great Lakes. The harvests of the Plains made their way east largely by water; think of all those grain silos in Buffalo. The Civil War changed traffic patters from primarily north - south, to primarily east - west, and Cincinnati and New Orleans, to say nothing of Wheeling, fell behind Chicago in importance. Geography is destiny.
Gramp By the way, as the Baltimore and Ohio built west toward the Ohio River, which city did it seek to reach the River?
Wheeling, Virginia was, I believe, the original goal of the B&O, reflecting the fact that rivers were the routes to the interior of the country at that time. If the other two cites that you're referencing are Pittsburgh and Cincinnati, I believe they were reached considerably later.
The Erie Railroad used the Atlantic & Great Western RR to reach from western New York to Hamilton, Ohio and (via trackage rights) Cincinnati when it opened in 1863, because before the Civil War traffic patterns were largely north - south; the war put an end to that. Later, Chicago became the desired end point for eastern railroads because of, and shortly after the Civil War. The Erie built a subsidiary to reach Chicago from Marion, O., and the former trunk line to Hamilton lost much of its importance to that railroad. Chicago became the point from which to access the trans-Mississippi west, not because of the Pacific railroad at first, but because of its location on the Great Lakes. The harvests of the Plains made their way east largely by water; think of all those grain silos in Buffalo.
The Civil War changed traffic patters from primarily north - south, to primarily east - west, and Cincinnati and New Orleans, to say nothing of Wheeling, fell behind Chicago in importance. Geography is destiny.
The NYC, PRR, B&O and C&O were all built westward, in competition with canals such as the Erie Canal, C&O Canal and the James River Canal. The Michigan Central, Lake Shore & Michigan Southern (both later NYC) and the PRR (subsidiary) all reached Chicago by the 1850s. The Erie RR was first built to Dunkirk, NY on Lake Erie where it connected to boats for Detroit and west.
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