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The New Pittsburgh
Posted by Gramp on Wednesday, February 9, 2022 10:54 PM

The addition of U.S. Steel's new mill will make a northeast Arkansas county an hour north of Memphis the largest steel-producing county in the U.S.  900 new jobs created earning on average 100k/year.  BNSF is involved in serving it.

  United States Steel Corporation Breaks Ground on the Most Technologically Advanced Steel Mill in North America - www.ussteel.com

 

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Posted by greyhounds on Thursday, February 10, 2022 12:53 AM

Arkansas seems to be doing things right.  JB Hunt, Tyson, Walmart and now this.

BNSF should put a team on it.  Marketing, Operations, and Finance to maximize their participation.  If the unions are willing, get them involved.

 

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Posted by Gramp on Thursday, February 10, 2022 7:10 AM

Thx for commenting greyhounds. I was going to ask if you'd chime in with ideas for rail transport. 

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Posted by samfp1943 on Thursday, February 10, 2022 7:32 AM

This seems lke one of those things that proves.." Whats old is new again, things..."

That little area in N.E. Arkansas has been somewhat of an industrial incubator since late 1980's... It is very flat and supported mostly cotton and bean production since the Cvil War(?).  

    It is mostly adjacent to the Mississippi River and has been a railroad branch line througgh that area (1st was SL-SF and then BN and BNSF)....Frm E Missouri to connection at West Memphis Ar.   

    Nu Cor Steel  put a small 'mill' (for beams(?), about 1977 just east of Osceola, on the river. And there was the old 'bomber' [Eaker] base at Blytheville.  Out by the river there were  some  industries. ( fertilizer, IIRC).

  Mostly, agricultural land (cheap to buy, ? for manufacturing? )  It is nice to see that it is growing in 'use'...     

 

 


 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, February 10, 2022 7:39 AM

There's a saying worth remembering:

"Business goes where it's made most welcome."  

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Posted by Ulrich on Thursday, February 10, 2022 10:14 AM

Arkansas and Tennessee have been booming since as long as I can remember. Their central location, geography, and proximity to major consumer markets makes those states an obvious choice for industrial growth. I've never been stuck for freight in either state. 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, February 10, 2022 10:28 AM

It doesn't hurt that they are "right-to-work" (anti-union) states.

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Posted by Backshop on Thursday, February 10, 2022 10:36 AM

Steel doesn't travel well. I just read a book named Big Steel about the history of USS.  That's why they built the Gary Works.  Industry was moving west and shipping costs from Pittsburgh were killing profit margins once "Pittsburgh Plus" was abandoned.  It's amazing how much laws have changed.  One hundred years ago, collusion and price fixing were legal and commonplace.

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, February 10, 2022 12:07 PM

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Steel doesn't travel well. I just read a book named Big Steel about the history of USS.  That's why they built the Gary Works.  Industry was moving west and shipping costs from Pittsburgh were killing profit margins once "Pittsburgh Plus" was abandoned.  It's amazing how much laws have changed.  One hundred years ago, collusion and price fixing were legal and commonplace.

And when we say 100 years ago - we are only talking about the 1920's.

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Posted by timz on Thursday, February 10, 2022 12:39 PM

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The addition of U.S. Steel's new mill will make a northeast Arkansas county an hour north of Memphis the largest steel-producing county in the U.S.

Will it actually produce more steel than any other county? Or will much of its "production" just be processing of existing steel?

Which county is it?

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, February 10, 2022 1:27 PM

timz
Will it actually produce more steel than any other county? Or will much of its "production" just be processing of existing steel?

Interesting question.  Cam watchers at Deshler regularly see steel slabs from Dearborn headed down to Middletown for further processing, and coil steel coming back north.

OTOH, a regular train through Deshler is the "taco" (taconite ore), also headed to Middletown.

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, February 10, 2022 2:45 PM

CSSHEGEWISCH
It doesn't hurt that they are "right-to-work" (anti-union) states.

For now. When you treat employees as indentured servants or slaves, things happen.

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Posted by Backshop on Thursday, February 10, 2022 2:50 PM

It may become the largest county, but that's because northwest Indiana is made up of three counties.  No way is it as large as the Indiana Harbor, Gary and Burns Harbor mills.

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Posted by greyhounds on Thursday, February 10, 2022 3:43 PM

timz
Will it actually produce more steel than any other county? Or will much of its "production" just be processing of existing steel? Which county is it?

It's Mississippi County, Arkansas.  

It really doesn't mater if it is the largest steel producing county.  The press release says the facility will have a production capacity of 3,000,000 tons/year.  That's a whole lot of steel to haul.  Something like 30,000/ 100 ton loads per year.  

My understanding is that this facility will not produce virgin steel.  It will recycle scrap into "new steel".  That means there will be scrap loads in as well as the steel loads out.  If they ship 100 tons out they're going to need 100 tons inbound.  That means even more revenue loads for the freight carriers.

Of course not all this will move by rail.  USS is locating on the Mississippi River so they can use barge transport in and out.  That's a wise move on their part.  And there will always be truckers looking for loads.

So BNSF cannot just sit back and wait for the freight to come to them.  Plan it out now as best they can to maximize results.  And for the Love of God stay flexible.  Things will continually change.  Just try to stay with it.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, February 14, 2022 11:21 PM

A thought.  Was this area affected by the 1812 New Madrid earth quake?

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, February 15, 2022 8:32 AM

BaltACD
And when we say 100 years ago - we are only talking about the 1920's.

Scary, isn't it?

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Posted by Backshop on Tuesday, February 15, 2022 9:00 AM

Flintlock76

 

 
BaltACD
And when we say 100 years ago - we are only talking about the 1920's.

 

Scary, isn't it?

 

Yes, it is.  Many people think World War 2 is ancient history but when your father and uncles fought in it, it's current for you. My wife's one friend's mother is 106.  She was born in 1915.  If you double her lifespan, you're talking pre-War of 1812.  Almost half the history of the US.

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Posted by NKP guy on Tuesday, February 15, 2022 9:38 AM

  When I was a kid everyone remembered the 1920's...clearly.  Except us kids, of course.  

   I remember watching this program on "What's My Line?" when I was in grade school:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RPoymt3Jx4

   I also recall seeing veterans of the Spanish-American War in our Memorial Day Parade in 1966. 

   

 

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Posted by York1 on Tuesday, February 15, 2022 10:01 AM

This county already has several steel companies.  This new plant will be next to Big River Steel.

This part of Arkansas has been promoting the nickname of Steel Mill Heaven.

Here's an interesting article on Arkansas's steel industries:

https://www.arkansasedc.com/news-events/arkansas-inc-blog/post/active-blogs/2017/09/25/how-arkansas-became-a-leader-in-the-steel-industry

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Posted by Gramp on Tuesday, February 15, 2022 10:45 AM

York1

This county already has several steel companies.  This new plant will be next to Big River Steel.

This part of Arkansas has been promoting the nickname of Steel Mill Heaven.

Here's an interesting article on Arkansas's steel industries:

https://www.arkansasedc.com/news-events/arkansas-inc-blog/post/active-blogs/2017/09/25/how-arkansas-became-a-leader-in-the-steel-industry

 

Big River Steel, built in 2014, was recently acquired by US Steel. It and the new mill will be capable of producing 6.6 mil. tons. Then there're the Nucor mills nearby. 

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Posted by Backshop on Tuesday, February 15, 2022 11:44 AM

Pittsburgh wasn't even "Pittsburgh" for the last 50 or so years.

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Posted by SALfan1 on Tuesday, February 15, 2022 8:38 PM

blue streak 1

A thought.  Was this area affected by the 1812 New Madrid earth quake?

 

I'm sure it was. The sediment which makes up the Delta would become plastic in an earthquake. I was involved with construction of a warehouse in Memphis, and the foundation and the building itself had to meet special standards because of its location. Learned new stuff during that project. 

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Posted by kgbw49 on Saturday, February 19, 2022 8:17 AM

Do any of the mills in that area take taconite or are they all scrap metal processors?

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Saturday, February 19, 2022 10:04 AM

kgbw49

Do any of the mills in that area take taconite or are they all scrap metal processors?

 
I would suspect that they are scrap metal processors.   Using taconite would require a blast furnace to reduce the ore to iron.
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