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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:02 AM

      Would President Abraham Lincoln have taken the train from Washington D.C. to Gettysburg Pennsylvania to give his speech- 150 years ago yesterday?

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Posted by schlimm on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:10 AM

As I recall, he did then and wrote much of the speech while on the train.   Today, there is no passenger train service.

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:17 AM

Given the short distance between DC and Gettysburg, it's entirely possible he might have flown via helicopter.  Going by road would be a total mess.

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Posted by Ulrich on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:45 PM

Were he alive today he'd go by helicopter, and he wouldn't be writing his own speeches either. Most likely he'd use the same speech writer everyone uses, who starts ever second sentence with "Let me be very clear", or  "Make no mistake".. with the word "clearly" thrown in 50 times (as if saying the word "clearly" in and of itself makes it clear).  Clearly, if Lincoln were alive today he'd fly instead of take the train. But make no mistake (!), and let me be perfectly clear on this, that would clearly be a mistake.

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Posted by Norm48327 on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:06 PM

tree68

Given the short distance between DC and Gettysburg, it's entirely possible he might have flown via helicopter.  Going by road would be a total mess.

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Posted by Ulrich on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:07 PM

Why? He invented the helicopter.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:08 PM

tree68

Given the short distance between DC and Gettysburg, it's entirely possible he might have flown via helicopter.  Going by road would be a total mess.

     Hello?  Igor?  This is your cousin Marvin- Marvin Sikorski.  Hey- remember that crazy idea you had about a flying machine with rotors?   Hey- you'll never believe what I just saw  at Gettysburg!  What?  Oh yeah.  Sure.  I'll call you back in another dozen years when the telephone is invented.#

#Truly obscure reference to the movie Back to the Future.

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Posted by Norm48327 on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:10 PM

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Why? He invented the helicopter.

Before Lincoln was president? Question

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:15 PM

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As I recall, he did then and wrote much of the speech while on the train.   Today, there is no passenger train service.

  I wondered if there was much a through route back then between the 2 spots.  As I recall, Lincoln had to take a round-a-bout  route from Illinois to the White House when he was elected. 

      Given the fact that there was the possibility of running into Confederate troops in unexpected places- like Gettysburg Pennsylvania, I bet having the President  go there provided a lock of security headaches for the folks in charge of his safety.  It seems to me, that more than a few people had crossed Abe off their Christmas card lists by then.

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Posted by Ulrich on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:37 PM

Norm48327

Ulrich

Why? He invented the helicopter.

Before Lincoln was president? Question

 

No, we're talking if Lincoln were alive today. Clearly helicopters weren't around in Lincoln's day.

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:42 PM

Murphy Siding

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As I recall, he did then and wrote much of the speech while on the train.   Today, there is no passenger train service.

  I wondered if there was much a through route back then between the 2 spots.  As I recall, Lincoln had to take a round-a-bout  route from Illinois to the White House when he was elected. 

      Given the fact that there was the possibility of running into Confederate troops in unexpected places- like Gettysburg Pennsylvania, I bet having the President  go there provided a lock of security headaches for the folks in charge of his safety.  It seems to me, that more than a few people had crossed Abe off their Christmas card lists by then.

Lee and his Confederate Army beat a hasty retreat out of Pennsylvania and Maryland back to Virginia immediately after the Gettysburg battle in July 1863.  Lincoln's 'Gettysburg Address' took place in November 1863. 

While Lincoln could have taken either the PRR or B&O from Washington to Baltimore, he would have used what became the Western Maryland to get to Gettysburg.

While Maryland was populated with Southern sympathizers - it had been that way since the start of the War. As we know, Washington DC occupys the border area between Maryland and Virginia along the banks of the Patomac River.  As was demonstrated by Lincoln's assisnation two years later, the security surrounding Lincoln was nothing like what we know of Presidential Security today.  I believe (but could be mistaken) Lincoln signed the legislation creating the Secret Service the day that he got assisnated.

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Posted by Norm48327 on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 3:12 PM

"I believe (but could be mistaken) Lincoln signed the legislation creating the Secret Service the day that he got assisnated"

You are correct. I looked that up earlier today..

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:18 PM

Amazing, astounding bit of trivia (which I never knew before) - thanks ! Bow  Not sure how valuable or important - but as the saying goes, "Timing is everything !".  Just a little too late on that one . . . Sigh

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Posted by Norm48327 on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:24 PM

Presidential protection began in 1901 after the assassination of McKinley.

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Posted by schlimm on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:01 PM

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As I recall, he did then and wrote much of the speech while on the train.   Today, there is no passenger train service.

  I wondered if there was much a through route back then between the 2 spots.  As I recall, Lincoln had to take a round-a-bout  route from Illinois to the White House when he was elected. 

      Given the fact that there was the possibility of running into Confederate troops in unexpected places- like Gettysburg Pennsylvania, I bet having the President  go there provided a lock of security headaches for the folks in charge of his safety.  It seems to me, that more than a few people had crossed Abe off their Christmas card lists by then.

Perilous times!!   Lincoln used Pinkerton agents, who also worked as the CIA of that era.  
In February, 1861 when Lincoln came to DC for inauguration, the train route was carefully planned because there were fears of an attack by opponents, as the Confederacy had formed in February, and inauguration was March in those days.  He left Springfield Feb. 11 and arrived arrived Feb. 23. Consequently it used a more northern routing, although Virginia did not secede until after Lincoln had taken office in April.
(from Wiki):  "En route to his inauguration by train, Lincoln addressed crowds and legislatures across the North.  The president-elect then evaded assassins in Baltimore, who were uncovered by Lincoln's head of security, Allen Pinkerton. On February 23, 1861, he arrived in disguise in Washington, D.C., which was placed under substantial military guard."
The main area of Maryland that was pro-slavery was the Eastern Shore, not western Maryland, although there were some Confederate sympathizers.   But when Meade and the Union Army of the Potomac marched north to Gettysburg in 1863, his troops were welcomed in towns in western Maryland..
 

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:58 PM

     Kind of funny, considering the image that each of us had ingrained in our brains back in grade school of Abe Lincoln, to think about him in disguise.

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:34 PM

Ulrich

Were he alive today he'd go by helicopter, and he wouldn't be writing his own speeches either. Most likely he'd use the same speech writer everyone uses, who starts ever second sentence with "Let me be very clear", or  "Make no mistake".. with the word "clearly" thrown in 50 times (as if saying the word "clearly" in and of itself makes it clear).

Naaaw, he'd just have done something like this.

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:08 PM

One significant fact that has always fascinated me about the event - Lincoln wasn't the featured speaker.  His appearance was more of a cameo.

Edward Everett was the main speaker that day - and he spoke for some two hours (13,607 words...).

Everett's words are long forgotten, except by students of the event.

I had to memorize Lincoln's address (and five other pieces, but that's another topic) in eighth grade American History, as I'm sure countless other schoolchildren have done.

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Posted by Deggesty on Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:25 AM

Moral: be brief, and you are more likely to be remembered.

I wonder what the people thought when the President stood up? "Oh, no, how much longer?"

I am reminded of the time that I sat behind the minister at a baccalaureate service that was held on a football field. When he began to repeat himself for the third time, I was tempted to reach forward and pull him by his coat tail--I was getting cold that spring evening.

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Posted by Ishmael on Thursday, November 21, 2013 11:33 AM

People were used to long speeches in those days. They were one of the main forms of entertainment. Some of the Lincoln-Douglas debates went on for several hours. No TV, no cell phones, no I-pods.

The speech was not written on the train. Lincoln did the work in the White House and some early drafts are still in existence. He was also quite proficient with the language. Although autodidactic, (self-educated), his reading materials were Greystone's Law, Shakespeare and the King James Bible.

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Posted by schlimm on Thursday, November 21, 2013 11:58 AM

There are five versions or drafts of the speech, but only two (the Nicolay and Hay drafts) were written before or at the time of the speech. The other three were written out by Lincoln later, one the following February.  

In an 1894 article that included a facsimile of the first copy, Lincoln's secretary John Nicolay, who had become the custodian of Lincoln's papers, wrote that Lincoln had brought to Gettysburg the first part of the speech written in ink on Executive Mansion stationery before the train trip Nov. 18, and that he had written the second page in pencil on lined paper before the dedication on November 19.

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Posted by Kyle on Friday, November 22, 2013 9:31 PM

The Secret Service was originally formed to prevent counterfeits, and to stop anyone who was making counterfeits, which it continues to do today.  The task of protecting the president was added later.  I remember seeing somewhere that Lincoln took a train to Gettysburg, and I think he did work on the speech on the train.  Security wasn't as big as a issue back then.  50 years ago from today,JFK was assassinated, presidents rode in convertibles. If Lincoln would travel to Gettysburg today, it would be by helicopter probably.

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