I can't beleive all this. i don't know about Canada, but here in the US, we have playstation, TV, and, of course, the Federal Government responsible for watching our kids, not the parents. Stop picking on the woman, where was playstation during all of this?
And we all know the railroads part in this. They deliberatly built their lines over 100 years ago thru deserted areas knowing perfectly well that the poor would be moving right next to them someday. It was the railroad lobby that single-handed convinced the Gov. to build the projects right next to their busy mainlines. And, yes, it was the railroad themselves that cut holes in the fence and convinved the kids to play on their tracks.
The evil, the evil!
(in case someone doesn't realize, this is sarcasm)
Pathfinder wrote: So, to fan the flames a bit more, here is the response from the mother: "...I would like to see the railroads removed and I don't care how much it would cost the government..."Yup, blame the railway, not poor parenting. Life of boy who tried to hop train 'changed forever:' motherBoy, 9, has foot amputatedLast Updated: Friday, August 17, 2007 | 2:45 PM MTCBC NewsA child hurt while trying to jump a train had his foot amputated Thursday night, the same day Calgary workers repaired the fence he used to access the tracks."This has caused a little boy's life to be changed forever," Sabina Piche, mother of nine-year-old Josh, said from the Alberta Children's Hospital.Her son, who is mentally challenged, tried to hop onto a moving freight train Wednesday in Dover, near Hubalta Road SE.People in the neighbourhood said children are constantly trying to hop trains, and both adults and children use a hole in a fence to cross the CN Rail tracks.While the fence was repaired Thursday, city worker Ted Gillman said he expected that by Friday morning, someone will have cut the wires.One child told CBC News she crosses the tracks every day to go visit her cousin. She said it's a shortcut children use to get to school to shave time off their walk.Continue ArticleCN Rail says there is a proper crossing 500 metres away and anyone caught trespassing could be fined.Piche said access to the tracks should be permanently blocked or, better yet, the tracks should be moved out of the residential neighbourhood. "It's not fair for those who are minorities and have no say. So as a mother, I speak up. I would like to see the railroads removed and I don't care how much it would cost the government to do that. When you lose a life, you can't replace back that life."
So, to fan the flames a bit more, here is the response from the mother: "...I would like to see the railroads removed and I don't care how much it would cost the government..."
Yup, blame the railway, not poor parenting.
Life of boy who tried to hop train 'changed forever:' motherBoy, 9, has foot amputatedLast Updated: Friday, August 17, 2007 | 2:45 PM MTCBC NewsA child hurt while trying to jump a train had his foot amputated Thursday night, the same day Calgary workers repaired the fence he used to access the tracks."This has caused a little boy's life to be changed forever," Sabina Piche, mother of nine-year-old Josh, said from the Alberta Children's Hospital.Her son, who is mentally challenged, tried to hop onto a moving freight train Wednesday in Dover, near Hubalta Road SE.People in the neighbourhood said children are constantly trying to hop trains, and both adults and children use a hole in a fence to cross the CN Rail tracks.While the fence was repaired Thursday, city worker Ted Gillman said he expected that by Friday morning, someone will have cut the wires.One child told CBC News she crosses the tracks every day to go visit her cousin. She said it's a shortcut children use to get to school to shave time off their walk.Continue ArticleCN Rail says there is a proper crossing 500 metres away and anyone caught trespassing could be fined.Piche said access to the tracks should be permanently blocked or, better yet, the tracks should be moved out of the residential neighbourhood. "It's not fair for those who are minorities and have no say. So as a mother, I speak up. I would like to see the railroads removed and I don't care how much it would cost the government to do that. When you lose a life, you can't replace back that life."
But to give her the benefit of the doubt; she's likely lashing out in heated frustration and is probably blaming herself without admitting it openly. I wonder if any of her relatives and friends are honest or blunt enough to tell her the truth.
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AntonioFP45 wrote: I wonder if any of her relatives and friends are honest or blunt enough to tell her the truth.
I wonder if any of her relatives and friends are honest or blunt enough to tell her the truth.
All she has to do is read these posts
selector wrote: AntonioFP45 wrote: Let's see if it had been me, my Mom would have : A. Blistered my bottom B. Made me apologize to my Dad, the police and railroad officials. C. I"d then get chewed out by my uncles and aunts D. I'd be grounded for one month. ... E. All of the above.F. All of the above, plus having to stand in the corner until bedtime.G. All of the above, plus having to write, "I will not play near the tracks, nor seek holes through fences to the tracks," 500 times.
AntonioFP45 wrote: Let's see if it had been me, my Mom would have : A. Blistered my bottom B. Made me apologize to my Dad, the police and railroad officials. C. I"d then get chewed out by my uncles and aunts D. I'd be grounded for one month. ...
Let's see if it had been me, my Mom would have : A. Blistered my bottom B. Made me apologize to my Dad, the police and railroad officials. C. I"d then get chewed out by my uncles and aunts D. I'd be grounded for one month. ...
E. All of the above.
F. All of the above, plus having to stand in the corner until bedtime.
G. All of the above, plus having to write, "I will not play near the tracks, nor seek holes through fences to the tracks," 500 times.
Poppa_Zit wrote: News story wrote: [The child's mother] said access to the tracks should be permanently blocked or, better yet, the tracks should be moved out of the residential neighbourhood. "It's not fair for those who are minorities and have no say. So as a mother, I speak up. I would like to see the railroads removed and I don't care how much it would cost the government to do that. When you lose a life, you can't replace back that life." Oh, brother. Here we go.First, this sound bite proves the mother doesn't think her "mentally challenged" child's whereabouts and supervision are her responsibility.Second, she doesn't hesitate to play the "us poor, neglected, ignored minorities" sympathy card right away.Then, as frosting, she blames the government for "allowing" a railroad in a residential neighborhood.So....1. The railroad was there long before she decided to move into that neighborhood.2. She failed miserably in her responsibility as a mother for not monitoring a "special" child's activities, but refuses to consider any of the blame is hers.3. If she thinks minorities have no say, she oughta come to Chicago and see the almost -daily protest marches from every race, creed, color and sexual orientation. If the didn't produce occasional results in implementing change, they wouldn't march. 4. Based on her comments and lack of pre-emptive action, her son may not be the only "mentally challenged" person in that household.I really feel for that child. With that woman as his mother, he doesn't stand a chance.
News story wrote: [The child's mother] said access to the tracks should be permanently blocked or, better yet, the tracks should be moved out of the residential neighbourhood. "It's not fair for those who are minorities and have no say. So as a mother, I speak up. I would like to see the railroads removed and I don't care how much it would cost the government to do that. When you lose a life, you can't replace back that life."
[The child's mother] said access to the tracks should be permanently blocked or, better yet, the tracks should be moved out of the residential neighbourhood. "It's not fair for those who are minorities and have no say. So as a mother, I speak up. I would like to see the railroads removed and I don't care how much it would cost the government to do that. When you lose a life, you can't replace back that life."
Oh, brother. Here we go.
First, this sound bite proves the mother doesn't think her "mentally challenged" child's whereabouts and supervision are her responsibility.
Second, she doesn't hesitate to play the "us poor, neglected, ignored minorities" sympathy card right away.
Then, as frosting, she blames the government for "allowing" a railroad in a residential neighborhood.
So....
1. The railroad was there long before she decided to move into that neighborhood.
2. She failed miserably in her responsibility as a mother for not monitoring a "special" child's activities, but refuses to consider any of the blame is hers.
3. If she thinks minorities have no say, she oughta come to Chicago and see the almost -daily protest marches from every race, creed, color and sexual orientation. If the didn't produce occasional results in implementing change, they wouldn't march.
4. Based on her comments and lack of pre-emptive action, her son may not be the only "mentally challenged" person in that household.
I really feel for that child. With that woman as his mother, he doesn't stand a chance.
BREEZE wrote: selector wrote: AntonioFP45 wrote: Let's see if it had been me, my Mom would have : A. Blistered my bottom B. Made me apologize to my Dad, the police and railroad officials. C. I"d then get chewed out by my uncles and aunts D. I'd be grounded for one month. ... E. All of the above.F. All of the above, plus having to stand in the corner until bedtime.G. All of the above, plus having to write, "I will not play near the tracks, nor seek holes through fences to the tracks," 500 times.thats to easy just take a belt to that little brats butt and he will learn
Because that is quite humane of course. Who DOESNT punish mentally challenged kids by beating them?
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Coborn, obviously we didn't know that he was "mentally challenged" (pc for retarded or slow) which makes this incident all the more scary.
A parent has a mentally challenged 9 year old......the 9 year old is out of her sight long enough that he has time to walk over to a rail line. Then wait for, run alongside, and try to jump onto a moving train?????? Though we don't know more details, it appears that there's a very serious problem with the parent. Add to that, her comment about "minorities" really stokes my coal! It was a low level "cop out" on her part.
BTW: We don't know to what extent this kid is "challenged". Was his condition diagnosed as light, moderate, or extreme? Obviously he had the intelligence and physicaly ability to attempt this stunt and more then likely comprehended exactly what he was doing.
Furthermore if he was with other kids, he also shows the ability to socialize. Now, was he easily encouraged by the other kids? If he's a "Follower" then it is the more imperative that "mommy" keep him within her voice range.
BTW: I've known mentally challenged people that were disciplined in their childhood. Turned out to be wonderful, productive adults.
Hopefully more details will be forth coming.
This is one crazy discussion.
But what I would like to point out is that Tresspassing on Railroad property is ILLEGAL.
Are people really THAT stupid?
Take a Ride on the Scenic Line!
this is probably one of those times where my mom being really protective came out good. she never let me walk on tracks when i was little. i could go close to them, but never walk on them. and only if i was at a crossing.
this kid's mom is to blame for this. PZ hit the nail on the head several times here. the mother is at fault in so many ways. yes. ask for the removal of the railroad because you're a bad parent. nevermind an alternative of WATCHING YOUR CHILD MORE CLOSELY! especially considering the lad is mentally challenged. wouldnt you want adult supervision for him constantly then? i know i would!
this reminds me of an incident in Altoona. 2 morons were biking across the yard probably because it's a shortcut. a UP truck went after them and i saw firsthand the crews getting out and chewing these kids out.
at least i can watch for trains on an overpass nearby. and not have to worry about getting hit. they go right under me!
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As Antonio alluded to, I wonder what the extent of the mental disability is. It could be something as minor as a learning disability or ADD, but the media/mother is using the "mentally challenged" term to beef up the story. I hate to be so cynical, but the media seems to have a way of twisting these types of stories to really make them seem more tragic than what they already are.
After "playing the race card" in this story, that really seems to discredit this woman in my eyes. What the heck does this have to do with race?
Bad Cop. No doughnut.
Goober wrote:Sounds like you knew my parents, I got caught squeeling the tires on the car, and the county sheriff told me he would talk to my Dad, that would do more than a judge. He also knew my Dad
Sounds like you knew my parents, I got caught squeeling the tires on the car, and the county sheriff told me he would talk to my Dad, that would do more than a judge. He also knew my Dad
Someone really needs to take the mom out and whack her with a reality stick...
Have fun with your trains
In my opinion this child's mother is not fit to be a parent. I wonder if her posterior has ever felt the sharp crack of a leather belt? In all likelihood, probably not.
CANADIANPACIFIC2816
CANADIANPACIFIC2816 wrote: In my opinion this child's mother is not fit to be a parent. I wonder if her posterior has ever felt the sharp crack of a leather belt? In all likelihood, probably not. CANADIANPACIFIC2816
Maybe she did and decided to never subject her children to such abuse? Maybe an overreaction, but that doesn't mean she does not care about her children.
Then again, maybe we should just shoot her and let the children bounce around in the foster care system?
No, I guess that is an overreaction also. What we need is a school system that teaches children how to be adults and how to teach their children how to be adults. Oh dear! Now we will have to decide what it is to be an adult!
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Semper Vaporo wrote: CANADIANPACIFIC2816 wrote: In my opinion this child's mother is not fit to be a parent. I wonder if her posterior has ever felt the sharp crack of a leather belt? In all likelihood, probably not. CANADIANPACIFIC2816Maybe she did and decided to never subject her children to such abuse? Maybe an overreaction, but that doesn't mean she does not care about her children.Then again, maybe we should just shoot her and let the children bounce around in the foster care system?No, I guess that is an overreaction also. What we need is a school system that teaches children how to be adults and how to teach their children how to be adults. Oh dear! Now we will have to decide what it is to be an adult!
AT one time schools in the U.S and Canada did that..........then along comes Dr. Spock and later, the political correctness extremists in the media preaching "entitlement" and "Poof!" there goes the generation.
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Dr. Spock?
I've been corrupted by Tribbles....and I don't even like Tribbles!
trainboyH16-44 wrote:Hey Antonio, I wasn't aware that you enjoyed ressurecting old threads for a social science rant
Hmmmm. No, I wasn't researching. Ran into it while looking at something else. I felt it merited a response.
snagletooth wrote: Dr. Spock?I've been corrupted by Tribbles....and I don't even like Tribbles!
No, not Mr. Spock from Star Trek, but Dr. Benjamin Spock. Just Google his history and you'll see what I'm referring to. IMHO, his writings helped bring on the "Liberal Parenting" mentality that seen in the 1970s, 80s, 90s, and today...............
Not familiar with either spock....
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Lord Atmo wrote:Not familiar with either spock....Star Wars nerd here
All I know about Spock is that he has pointy ears.....
AntonioFP45 wrote: snagletooth wrote: Dr. Spock?I've been corrupted by Tribbles....and I don't even like Tribbles! No, not Mr. Spock from Star Trek, but Dr. Benjamin Spock. Just Google his history and you'll see what I'm referring to. IMHO, his writings helped bring on the "Liberal Parenting" mentality that seen in the 1970s, 80s, 90s, and today...............
Well, my parents read Dr. (Benjamin) Spock religiously.... and that didn't stop them from welting my little behind when it needed it (maybe 10 whole times during my childhood... but I was never in any doubt that I WOULD be spanked if I did something really bad).
Just as my own children have -- on occasion -- been left with a smarting behind. It's not the first course of action, but the last resort. But it quickly convinces them that their action is something that they don't wish to repeat.
And to comment to Semper Vaporo, no we do not need schools to do anything. We need PARENTS to step up and be parents, rather than expecting the schools, daycare providers, government, employers, etc. to teach discipline and responsibility. You CAN be your child's friend and still discipline when required. Schools knuckle under and teach "entitlement" and "rights" and "everyone is special" and "everyone gets a reward", true. But it's not because of some government mandate. It's because the school administration reflects the attitudes and demands of the parents.
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