trainboyH16-44 wrote: I have that same video, I love it, I watch it regularely, but....it just doesn't do the same as watching one of those beasts roar by in notch 8 going 8MPH up Byron hill, shaking the earth for miles around......Which I'm never going to see.
I have that same video, I love it, I watch it regularely, but....it just doesn't do the same as watching one of those beasts roar by in notch 8 going 8MPH up Byron hill, shaking the earth for miles around...
...Which I'm never going to see.
I have seen SD40-3s climb Byron hill, and quite amazing. Those locomotives are giving it all there worth and there still only going 10 or so mph. I also saw some SD70s climb the hill back in November and that's still pretty cool. Sorry you never got to see it, so you'll just have to go off the movie.
Happy railroading
James
Lord Atmo wrote: coborn35 wrote: Lord Atmo wrote:uh... quantity doesnt even determine uniqueness. THAT'S where looks come into playWell how many locomotives do you see with big grills by the walkway? GP15-1s and SD40T-2s, including the ones with SD45T-2 bodies how many mass produced diesels have the same flared radiators as the SD45? (mass produced meaning those GP40Xs etc dont count, as the SD45 WAS mass produced. as were all 3 tunnel motor units)
coborn35 wrote: Lord Atmo wrote:uh... quantity doesnt even determine uniqueness. THAT'S where looks come into playWell how many locomotives do you see with big grills by the walkway?
Lord Atmo wrote:uh... quantity doesnt even determine uniqueness. THAT'S where looks come into play
Well how many locomotives do you see with big grills by the walkway?
GP15-1s and SD40T-2s, including the ones with SD45T-2 bodies
how many mass produced diesels have the same flared radiators as the SD45? (mass produced meaning those GP40Xs etc dont count, as the SD45 WAS mass produced. as were all 3 tunnel motor units)
Tunnel motors werent mass produced...are you crazy? They were made for SP and DRGW. As far as the flared radiator, well hate to ruin the parade, but SD70M's, SD70M-2, GP40X, SD80MAC, SD90MAC SD70ACe etc.
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i said ones with the EXACT SAME FLARE as the SD45. none of the ones you mentioned had both flared radiators and dynamic brake housing. the radiators were also completely different as far as appearance. not to mention the SD90 series and tier 3 SD70s had more of big blocky oversized radiators than flared ones
and tunnel motors WERE mass produced for SP, DRGW, and SSW. if they were custom made, those 3 roads wouldnt have owned so many
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Some numbers to look at about the contention that the two models (not 3) of tunnel motors were "mass produced"- SP/SSW owned 239 SD40T-2s, DRGW owned 73 for a total of 312. SP/SSW owned 248 SD45T-2s- this puts the grand total for SD40T/SD45T-2s at 560 total units built with the tunnel motor customization- 560 engines is not anywhere near what I would call "mass production".
SD45s on the other hand were what I would call a "mass production" locomotive- with 1,260 total engines built- not including SD45T-2s and SD45-2s. But what about other engines with the "tunnel motor" type grilles you ask? (MP15AC, GP15T, GP15-1)- even when you add the total production numbers of those 3 engines to the list of the grilled units the total still comes up short of the total number of SD45s (1260-1153). Then if you add the total number of SD45 type units built (SD45T-2, SD45-2) to that number the gap increases even more.
I think the main issue here is just a matter of semantics- one person's opinion of what constitues "mass production" and what a "flare" is and so forth. In plain terms- the tunnel motors were common on SP/SSW and DRGW and were a unique customization of the SD40/45 line for those roads- but looking at the numbers I would not consider them to be mass produced.
Lord Atmo wrote:i consider mass production to be anything in which over 10 duplicates of any given item were produced
Okay, now your becoming unreal. A mass propduction would be the SD40-2. Over 4000 were made. Mass is considered many and 10 is not many. That is few. Try facing up to the facts for once. Max is right you are wrong. Now get over it.
"mass produced meaning those GP40Xs etc dont count"
"i consider mass production to be anything in which over 10 duplicates of any given item were produced"
By your own admission you then must consider the GP40X to be a "mass produced" locomotive- since 23 of them were built. You may want to re-examine your definition of "mass production"- I would doubt any person would consider the GP40x to be "mass produced" at 23 models total... yet by your definition it is.
No, I never said the GP40X was massed produce. A mass production is hundreds and even thousands of models. GE massed produced the Gevo. They have made over a thousand models in the last three years. That is a lot of locomotives. lets see about 350 per year..... The GP40X....23 maybe 4 or 5 per month. Not mass produced.
So come on. This is really stupid to talk about. Obviously it takes three brain cells to argue about this, so I'm done. At least I know when to quit.
10 is quite a few actually. something like 3 is not a lot in all honesty. but over 500+ SD45T-2s were made, and 500 is clearly a lot. since 23 GP40Xs were made, i guess i'll have to say mass production is anything over 50. happy? because 50 seems like an awful lot to me
technically speaking, the SD45T-2 could be called an SD45 somewhat. but a total SD45 is....an SD45. you could get away with calling the T-2s and -2s SD45s if there wasnt actually a locomotive model out there with the designation is simply "SD45"
and even then, there's nothing special about the SD45T-2. it doesnt have a flare. it looks all the world like an SD40T-2.
Lord Atmo wrote:10 is quite a few actually. something like 3 is not a lot in all honesty. but over 500+ SD45T-2s were made, and 500 is clearly a lot. since 23 GP40Xs were made, i guess i'll have to say mass production is anything over 50. happy? because 50 seems like an awful lot to me technically speaking, the SD45T-2 could be called an SD45 somewhat. but a total SD45 is....an SD45. you could get away with calling the T-2s and -2s SD45s if there wasnt actually a locomotive model out there with the designation is simply "SD45"and even then, there's nothing special about the SD45T-2. it doesnt have a flare. it looks all the world like an SD40T-2.
So all your doing is changing words to fit your needs. You should become a politican.
Nothing special about SD60's either. Look just like SD50's and NS SD70's.
Lord Atmo wrote:no i agree. generally speaking, the SD50 and SD60 arent special. but i like how they look anyway. the SD70 is cool in that its cab is completely different. but as far as uniqueness in design, it has none
Cab on teh SD70 looks exactly the same as the SD50 and SD60.
yeah except for that thingy on the engineer's side of the nose. the fact is it's a spartan cab, which just plain looks loads better than the widenose cab. and therefore i like SD70s over SD70Ms
but that's not important. only the SD45 had flares. and when you said several class 1s still had them, i thought you meant those. thanks for getting my hopes up. who gives a rip about T-2s and -2s? there's nothing interesting about them! when i say i want to see an SD45, i expect flared radiators and flexicoil trucks. if i wanted to see one of those
look, next time, just say "several class 1s still have SD45 variants" instead of "SD45s" so i wont think you meant THE SD45s
"No, I never said the GP40X was massed produce. A mass production is hundreds and even thousands of models. GE massed produced the Gevo. They have made over a thousand models in the last three years. That is a lot of locomotives. lets see about 350 per year..... The GP40X....23 maybe 4 or 5 per month. Not mass produced.
So come on. This is really stupid to talk about. Obviously it takes three brain cells to argue about this, so I'm done. At least I know when to quit." border="0" width="15" height="15" />"
Uh, James- I was talking to Atmo on that point- sorry if I made it sound like I was talking to you- I completely agree with your points about mass production- it's Atmo's idea of mass production that I was talking about.