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Re:Was The Rock Island A Union Pacific Predecessor?

Posted by Anonymous

on Tue, Nov 16 2004 2:32 PM

[8D]I think the rock is indeed a UP predecessor because:
1.Many of the roads it assimilated(including itself)took MASSIVE chunks of the rock.
2.All facts point to it.

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Posted by railman

on Tue, Nov 16 2004 4:10 PM

The rock was ripped apart like a bear goes through a cheap tent...where the head went, nobody is really sure....I will believe that the UP got parts, but so did every other RR that enveloped the poor granger line.

Posted by espeefoamer

on Tue, Nov 16 2004 5:35 PM

The Cotton Belt bought the St Louis to Tucumcari New Mexico, but never operated the portion between St Louis and Kansas City.
Can someone tell me what percentage of the RI is still in use?

Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool.

Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH

on Thu, Nov 18 2004 12:18 PM

That a fair percentage of the Rock Island is currently being operated by UP is mostly coincidental. This would hardly put the Rock Island in the UP predecessor camp, especially since UP itself has no real predecessors, similar to PRR and unlike the CB&Q.

The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul

Posted by ndbprr

on Thu, Nov 18 2004 1:12 PM

No it is not. Predecessor means something that precedes or comes before. Up is an earlier railroad then the Rock so the answer can only be no.

Posted by SSW9389

on Fri, Nov 19 2004 8:36 AM

Yeh! Cotton Rock. What is the point of this nonsensical poll anyway?

QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer

The Cotton Belt bought the St Louis to Tucumcary New Mexico, but never operated the portion between St Louis and Kansas City.
Can someone tell me what percentage of the RI is still in use?

COTTON BELT: Runs like a Blue Streak!

Posted by jeffhergert

on Wed, Nov 24 2004 11:36 PM

No, the RI was not a UP predecessor. It is noteworthy that many involved in the early construction and financing of the RI were later involved with construction and financing the UP. The same can be said for some from the early C&NW.
While now the UP owns and operates most of the surviving RI main routes, the UP of 1980 didn't buy large parts of the RI. The UP ended up with so much of the RI because the CNW, MKT, and SP bought large segments. It's ironic that the UP now owns much of the RI except for what they wanted most in the 1960s, the Council Bluffs to Chicago line. At least at this time, who knows in the future.
Jeff

Posted by Anonymous

on Sat, Apr 2 2005 10:15 PM

Espeefoamer where did you get your info. The Cotton Belt NEVER bought the RI's Golden State Route trackage to Tucumcari, NM The SP acquired a portion of this line NE from Tucumcari which today of course is a UP line.

Posted by dehusman

on Sun, Apr 3 2005 10:07 AM

No. The corporation that owned the Rock Island sold of its rail assets, but continued to reamain a corporation. So in that sense the Rock Island was never merged into another railroad. It was just sold off like a big used car lot and real estate deal.

The Rock owned a share of the Houston Belt and Terminal. After the Rock folded as a railroad, it didn't have anything to do with the rail operations but still owned its share of the non-rail assets of the HB&T, mostly land holdings in the Houston area.

Dave H.

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Posted by Anonymous

on Mon, Apr 4 2005 1:18 PM

[8D] the CRIP was never owned or merged into the UP but rolling stock & loco's were purchased by the C&NW
back in the 80's & in 1995 UP & C&NW merged
& the rock island route was not ran by UP at the time not all of CRIP's lines were aquired by SSW some were used by other rr's but today the golden state route that was a rock island route is now a UP route[8D]