QUOTE: Originally posted by emd all the way I work at EMD in london canada so in my opinion gm is the best!! but its like anything there is good and bad in all makes and models 99% of the locomotives in emds order board are to be built for american railways. I support my family with my job at emd just like the guy or girl that works at ge supports his family!! lets hope there is enough work to support both companys and all its employees!!!!!!
QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98 give it a rest..... this fighting over what brand of loco is getting about as old as the ford cheve battle... THIS IS FOR EVERYONE THAT THINKS A LOCO SHOULD LOOK LIKE A WORK OF ART A LOCOMOTIVE IS A HUNK OF HEAVEY EQUIPMENT THAT IS DESINDED TO FUNTION IN ALL TYPES OF WEAHTER CONITIONS FOR MILE AFTER MILE AND YEAR AFTER YEAR....THEY ARE NOT DESINDED TO BE "PLEASEING TO THE EYE" OF A RAILFAN..OR ANYONE FOR THAT FACT.... EVERY LOCO HAS IT STRONG POINTS..AND ITS WEAK POINTS... .. AND BESIDES... THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN REALY SAY "THE BEST ENGIN IS...AND WHY" ARE RAILROAD EMPLYEES..AND THEIR OPPIONS ON WHAT POWER IS THE BEST WILL VERY JUST AS WIDELY AS RAILBUFFS... AND AS FAR AS PAINTING GOES....IF IT WASNT FOR RUST...THEY MORE THEN LIKEY WOULDNT PAINT THEM AT ALL... SINCE PAINTING THEM COSTS MONEY... AND RUST WILL DESTORY IT JUST LIKE YOUR CAR IN YOUR DRIVEWAY...
QUOTE: Originally posted by xBNSFer The answer to the question about when GE became king of the hill and left EMD in the dust is mid 1980s; EMD hasn't "ruled" for about 20 years. The "Perfect Storm" that knocked EMD off the top for good was part EMD, part GE. EMD's disastrous 50 Series, which pushed the 645 diesel beyond practical limits and resulted in lots of engine failures, plus teething problems with the 60 Series when they were introduced, put the bad taste in the mouths of RRs just as GE put its microprocessor-controlled diesels into the market (Dash 8's, 1987). With GE Dash8s returning 93-94% reliability and EMD's 60 Series returning 60% reliability (http://utahrails.net/loconotes/close-lagrange.php), it doesn't take brain surgery to figure out whose order books were going to get filled up and whose weren't! In addition, EMD closed production facilities at LaGrange in favor of moving all production to Canada, a short-sighted move based on the slow locomotive market at the time. So, when the boom hit, the situation was this: GE had better products, they were less expensive, and they had the production capacity to produce them in large numbers and satisfy orders. Engineers that work for RRs comment on "refinement" issues like cab vibration, which is meaningless to the RRs. The RRs want locomotives that are reliable and efficient, day in and day out, and the locomotive that does that best today is made by GE, not EMD. Best evidence of this is the SD75 vs. the Dash9; the BNSF yanked the SD75's from its highest priority intermodal trains due to reliability issues (doesn't matter if the SD75 is smoother in the cab if it won't load LOL). Meanwhile, Dash9s and Dash8s hold down those assignments with utter regularity, and the only thing that will stop the flow of Dash9s out of Erie is the advent of emission regs and their replacement with GEVOs. EMD hasn't been the market leader in over 2 decades, and they're unlikely to regain that former stature. They need to come out with a 4 cycle diesel engine in order to keep up with emission regs (even if they can squeak by Tier 2 with the 710, they probably won't make it through the NEXT round with a 2 cycle), and GM is looking to sell EMD and therefore don't quite have their hearts in it any more. Guess they know they're beat. [:D] GE's offer more horsepower, tractive effort, better dynamic brakes, better reliability, better fuel efficiency, lower emissions, and they cost less. They have the technological and performance edge over EMD and their units cost less than EMD, and they have the capacity to produce them faster. EMD's market leadership is ancient history - get used to it. Used to be that EMD got the lion's share of locomotive orders and GE got the "keep EMD honest" orders; now GE gets the lion's share and EMD gets the "keep GE honest" orders! [^]
QUOTE: Originally posted by UNION PACIFIC RULES ANOTHER POLL BY UNION PACIFIC RULES!!!!
QUOTE: Originally posted by Guilford350 The 40 Series. Many are still going strong today.