Chip
Building the Rock Ridge Railroad with the slowest construction crew west of the Pecos.
One source the Old Dog happened across said that passenger service to Indiana, Pa ended in 1940, so the structures you have identified as passenger stations probably to longer served that function.
When LCL service ended is another question. In the first generation diesel era the structures might have still served as freight stations.
Are you sure that the structure/s you have labeled "engine service" weren't actually some sort of industry with tracks leading into the plant? The Old Dog would suspect that engine servicing would have been done where the trains originaled and not at Indiana.
Note that you have NOT provided for a run around track. That would make "turning" the train interesting. How will you get the cabose on the back end?
You will also probably need a second table for staging.
Have fun
Make sure your steam locomotives have the pre-WWII low headlight and slat/step pilots. No cast-steel drop-coupler pilots for you in 1938!
Also, all PRR rolling stock will need the circle keystone herald.
I'm almost as excited about this as you are, Chip!
Pop on by the Atlas N or Trainboard N some time. Wrong scale, but TONS of Pennsy modelers who can give you far more info than I can.
Modeling the Rio Grande Southern First District circa 1938-1946 in HOn3.
exPalaceDog wrote: One source the Old Dog happened across said that passenger service to Indiana, Pa ended in 1940, so the structures you have identified as passenger stations probably to longer served that function.
I know the Hoodlebug stopped running in 1940, but I wasn't sure all passenger service quit. Although that makes sense. If a Doodlebug can't make money then I imagine an E7 pulling a car couldn't either.
When LCL service ended is another question. In the first generation diesel era the structures might have still served as freight stations. Are you sure that the structure/s you have labeled "engine service" weren't actually some sort of industry with tracks leading into the plant? The Old Dog would suspect that engine servicing would have been done where the trains originaled and not at Indiana.
No, I'm not sure for that time period, but at one time they were.
Note that you have NOT provided for a run around track. That would make "turning" the train interesting. How will you get the cabose on the back end?You will also probably need a second table for staging.Have fun
I haven't worked out the off-table details. I will have at least a 30" dual lead with the other end of a runaround (another double crossover). The whole thing will fold down and under.
I might work that into some sort of staging, but haven't worked it out.
Dave Vollmer wrote: Make sure your steam locomotives have the pre-WWII low headlight and slat/step pilots. No cast-steel drop-coupler pilots for you in 1938!Also, all PRR rolling stock will need the circle keystone herald.I'm almost as excited about this as you are, Chip!Pop on by the Atlas N or Trainboard N some time. Wrong scale, but TONS of Pennsy modelers who can give you far more info than I can.
It's not there yet. I want to bring it up to around 1950, but it depends on how things have changed. My wife has me convinced that our local historical society has the info I need to fill in the blanks, so I will take off a couple hours this week and amble over.
If I have to go 1940 and run a Hoodlebug, so be it. I like the 0-6-0 P2K switcher anyway.
This program is so weird. Look how it thought Proto 2K was a link.
I am starting to get excited as well.
After some more thought (or lack thereof)
Railroads tend to avoid complex track work unless they are pressed for space. A double cross over is a pretty expensive piece of track work for the end of a low usage branch.
The Old Dog would suggest replacing the double cross over with a three way turn out. Then place a single cross over toward the middle of the spur. That would give you a "run around" track with out increasing the length too much.
Sorry, everyone, but I removed those maps from tomkat-13 because it was a copyright violation. You can't take intellectual property from another site and post it elsewhere.
Bergie
Bergie removed my thanks. TomKat, I wanted you to know I saw them and they were great.
Thanks for the great link
exPalaceDog wrote: After some more thought (or lack thereof)Railroads tend to avoid complex track work unless they are pressed for space. A double cross over is a pretty expensive piece of track work for the end of a low usage branch.The Old Dog would suggest replacing the double cross over with a three way turn out. Then place a single cross over toward the middle of the spur. That would give you a "run around" track with out increasing the length too much.Have fun
Dog,
I'm not sure what the PRR did with the cabin, but I'm pretty sure they turned the train, or part of it outside of town and backed in to this area.
SpaceMouse wrote: exPalaceDog wrote: After some more thought (or lack thereof)Railroads tend to avoid complex track work unless they are pressed for space. A double cross over is a pretty expensive piece of track work for the end of a low usage branch.The Old Dog would suggest replacing the double cross over with a three way turn out. Then place a single cross over toward the middle of the spur. That would give you a "run around" track with out increasing the length too much.Have fun Dog,I'm not sure what the PRR did with the cabin, but I'm pretty sure they turned the train, or part of it outside of town and backed in to this area.
Actually a 3 way switch would not be used..PRR would use the double crossovers as the picture pointed out.
Follow your original LDE.
As far as the cabin its no big deal..
We would make a reverse shove from the yard..No need to add unnecessary work..
Larry
Conductor.
Summerset Ry.
"Stay Alert, Don't get hurt Safety First!"
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My first job as a brakeman was on the PRR out of the Cleveland Ave yards in Columbus,Oh.
BRAKIE wrote: Actually a 3 way switch would not be used..PRR would use the double crossovers as the picture pointed out.Follow your original LDE. As far as the cabin its no big deal.. We would make a reverse shove from the yard..No need to add unnecessary work..
Glad you could join in. A couple points. You probably missed the Sanborn maps that were posted and removed. I made a couple errors. The double siding at the top was a single. That track serviced a coal distribution area and the double black lines were coal spillage on the sides of the track.
The double track I have along the bottom does not extend to the area in front of the passenger station, although it did at one time. There is no need for a crossover or a 3-way.
There is no yard per se, although there were a couple tracks for that purpose in 1916.
But the cabin for me is an issue, and would like have been set off in the section of track just to the south of my layout. IT would never have seen my LDE, and if it did would be constantly in the way.
If you have other ideas, I'd love to hear them. I hope to have an updated plan tomorrow.
The Old Dog would stand by his original thought. Railroads avoid complex track work to keep initial costs and maintainence low. Two single cross overs would be a more likily solution then one double cross over. It would also allow run around moves. Using a three way turnover was a concession to the limited space. Remember that this is the end of a branch line.
exPalaceDog wrote: The Old Dog would stand by his original thought. Railroads avoid complex track work to keep initial costs and maintainence low. Two single cross overs would be a more likily solution then one double cross over. It would also allow run around moves. Using a three way turnover was a concession to the limited space. Remember that this is the end of a branch line.Have fun
Dog,Railroads never used common sense..However in my 9 1/2 years as a brakeman I never saw a 3 way switch.
The only 3 way switch I ever saw was on the old abandon Morehead & North Fork at Clearfield, KY..
Ah, but, you forget...
No less than the MIGHTY PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD, the Standard Railroad of the World, used - get this - 3-way stub switches in the Mount Union, PA yard.
Of course, these tracks were used jointly with the narrow-gauge East Broad Top RR at the coal prep plant where the two interchanged. Most often the standard gauge PRR hoppers were switched by one of the EBT's two standard gauge 0-6-0.
But there it was! I wish I could find a photo of them online. They're in the EBT literature.
Here's a 3-way narrow gauge switch on the EBT at Orbisonia.
Dog, Brakie,
This is a mute point as I don't forsee using either if I stick to the LDE. Since there's only one track, there's no need to cross over.
Bump
Huh, looks like three
http://sanborn.umi.com/pa/7732/dateid-000006.htm?CCSI=82n