Yes, it is a very old thread but what ever.
If you go to the Bachmann site you can see the loco diagram and Parts list and parts that are available. It shows a sound vesion. I just looked.
Just Google Bachmann forums.
There is also a HO forum with company reps.
Rich
If you ever fall over in public, pick yourself up and say “sorry it’s been a while since I inhabited a body.” And just walk away.
I have five of them, three on the ATLANTIC CENTRAL, and two C&O. They run great and are one of my favorites.
Shledon
I am glad to hear it runs well. I have the dual mode DCC/no sound version of the EM-1 2-8-8-4 from Bachmann, and I could not be happier with it. It is by far my best running locomotive.
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-Kevin
Living the dream.
Just an update to this old thread. I got an unlettered C&O type on Ebay with DCC, no sound, in mint condition except bell is missing, though the bell frame is on the boiler, $166.00 and I ran like I stole it. Could not believe such an excellent model was still available such a reasonable price. I am not disappointed! Stopped by No. 1308 at Memorial Park in Huntington WV on my way up to Michigan last year to visit the real deal, hoping WMSR get No 1309 finished - I will go visit her, too.
selector wrote: Isambard wrote: ...Shucks, and I thought I was rewriting history! Any photos of #111? What became of it?My source is: Turner, Robert D.(2005). Vancouver Island Railroads. Winlaw, British Columbia: Sono Nis Press. I would love to scan and post an image, but ....copyright...If you can find a photo of the new Mantua 2-6-6-2 with the Weyerhauser logo, that is the very same one...with a two truck tender and what look like thin side tanks on either side of the boiler just at the running boards. The sand dome seems to be wrapped all up and down its side with tubing. I haven't seen that before.This is quite close, but missing is the tender and the side tanks in the book are about half as tall as the ones in the model shown below.http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/csm/csm351601.htm
Isambard wrote: ...Shucks, and I thought I was rewriting history! Any photos of #111? What became of it?
...Shucks, and I thought I was rewriting history! Any photos of #111? What became of it?
My source is: Turner, Robert D.(2005). Vancouver Island Railroads. Winlaw, British Columbia: Sono Nis Press. I would love to scan and post an image, but ....copyright...
If you can find a photo of the new Mantua 2-6-6-2 with the Weyerhauser logo, that is the very same one...with a two truck tender and what look like thin side tanks on either side of the boiler just at the running boards. The sand dome seems to be wrapped all up and down its side with tubing. I haven't seen that before.
This is quite close, but missing is the tender and the side tanks in the book are about half as tall as the ones in the model shown below.
http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/csm/csm351601.htm
Thank you Selector! I must try and find that Turner book. I have his "West of the Great Divide", also from Sono Nis and it's a great book. I'm looking forward to seeing his "Steam Along the Boundary".
Isambard
Grizzly Northern history, Tales from the Grizzly and news on line at isambard5935.blogspot.com
Well, I got mine a few days ago from Micro-Mark. It's gorgeous to say the least.
I finally got a chance to run it today and it's very smooth. I have Digitrax DCC and it's very noisy without a decoder installed. Lots of buzzing and humming noises but it was slow and smooth. I installed a Digitrax DH-123 decoder after I ran it on analog for a few minutes and all the noises went away. It ran even slower and smoother on DCC. I can hardly wait to get another Tsunami and speaker setup. This engine with sound will probably move into the position of FAVORITE ENGINE!
Great engine....great buy!
Roger
selector wrote: Isambard wrote: ...The only articulated's that operated in Canada (apart from Shays, Heislers and Climaxes) were the CPR 0-6-6-0's built in 1911, later converted to 2-10-0's... In fact, Canadian Forest Products, Ltd., at Wass on Vancouver Island used a 2-6-6-2, #111 originally built for Weyerhauser of Longview, WA. It was a simple articulated made by Baldwin, and was in use until well into the 50's, perhaps beyond...my source doc does not say.-Crandell
Isambard wrote: ...The only articulated's that operated in Canada (apart from Shays, Heislers and Climaxes) were the CPR 0-6-6-0's built in 1911, later converted to 2-10-0's...
...The only articulated's that operated in Canada (apart from Shays, Heislers and Climaxes) were the CPR 0-6-6-0's built in 1911, later converted to 2-10-0's...
In fact, Canadian Forest Products, Ltd., at Wass on Vancouver Island used a 2-6-6-2, #111 originally built for Weyerhauser of Longview, WA. It was a simple articulated made by Baldwin, and was in use until well into the 50's, perhaps beyond...my source doc does not say.
-Crandell
Shucks, and I thought I was rewriting history! Any photos of #111? What became of it?
cudaken wrote: C&O Fan thanks for the link and I stole a few pic as well. Still looking for ideas for the new bench section. Just wish the clip was longer. What radius does the engine need anyway. On link, I meant where to buy one. Like I need more engines, well I guess I do. Cuda Ken
C&O Fan thanks for the link and I stole a few pic as well. Still looking for ideas for the new bench section. Just wish the clip was longer. What radius does the engine need anyway.
On link, I meant where to buy one. Like I need more engines, well I guess I do.
Cuda Ken
The Loco will do 18" Radius but looks and runs better on larger
I bought mine at http://www.litchfieldstation.com/xcart/product.php?productid=999002687
You can buy the decoder kit seperate and do the install yourself ifyou already
have the loco
Or you can buy the whole thing from them
I'm guessing the decoder must sell for $90 Maybe some one else here woul know
Since my eye site is not so good I had them do the install for an extra $40
But shipping is free and no tax
Here's a link to MicroMark
http://www.micromark.com/
TerryinTexas
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DigitalGriffin wrote: twhite wrote: It pretty much depends on whether the model has the twin pumps on the boiler front (C&O) The "Flying Pumps" mounted on the front is a sure sign of a C&O. The low mounted headlight is another common sign of a C&O train. They became a signature trademark of their steam train's design.However to be a true C&O the tender has to be a Vanderbuilt with a round horizontal tank like structure behind the coal.So what we have here is a hybrid. LUCKILY, Bachman still sells the C&O Vandy tender seprately both lettered and unlettered if you so desire. HOWEVER, the decoder fit is "tight" in these type tenders. The circuit board is mounted UNDER the coal load and the rounded corners of the water tender, leave little room for a decoder. I think the smallest decoder out there with BEMF, and silent running is the Lenz Silver series (hence why I like to recommend them). But I'm sure there's one or two from digitrax that will fit just fine. I have managed to shove a Tsunami in mine, but it required me to remove the circuit board from the top of the bunker. (There's a single screw that holds it in place)With their small drivers, 2-6-6-2's were good for freight and ore/coal service. The 2-6-6-2's were phased out after WWII in favor of Berks 2-8-4, USRA Heavy 4-8-2, Texas T-1 2-10-4, and H7 (2-8-8-2 simple articulated...a miserable disaster) and the strongest bad boy of them all, the H8 2-6-6-6 producing 7000HP at speed. For more information please see http://www.cohs.org/. They have a year ordered roster of the train class and numbers.
twhite wrote: It pretty much depends on whether the model has the twin pumps on the boiler front (C&O)
It pretty much depends on whether the model has the twin pumps on the boiler front (C&O)
The "Flying Pumps" mounted on the front is a sure sign of a C&O. The low mounted headlight is another common sign of a C&O train. They became a signature trademark of their steam train's design.
However to be a true C&O the tender has to be a Vanderbuilt with a round horizontal tank like structure behind the coal.
So what we have here is a hybrid. LUCKILY, Bachman still sells the C&O Vandy tender seprately both lettered and unlettered if you so desire. HOWEVER, the decoder fit is "tight" in these type tenders. The circuit board is mounted UNDER the coal load and the rounded corners of the water tender, leave little room for a decoder.
I think the smallest decoder out there with BEMF, and silent running is the Lenz Silver series (hence why I like to recommend them). But I'm sure there's one or two from digitrax that will fit just fine. I have managed to shove a Tsunami in mine, but it required me to remove the circuit board from the top of the bunker. (There's a single screw that holds it in place)
With their small drivers, 2-6-6-2's were good for freight and ore/coal service. The 2-6-6-2's were phased out after WWII in favor of Berks 2-8-4, USRA Heavy 4-8-2, Texas T-1 2-10-4, and H7 (2-8-8-2 simple articulated...a miserable disaster) and the strongest bad boy of them all, the H8 2-6-6-6 producing 7000HP at speed.
For more information please see http://www.cohs.org/. They have a year ordered roster of the train class and numbers.
Actually i just tell every one mine is an H-5 because they used the box style tender
and it's very hard to tell the difference between the H-5 and H-6 other than the tender
See the photo
http://www.chessieshop.com/database/ndbsearch.pl?command=showphoto&id=40893
If you are going to get one from Micro-Mark, you had better hurry. I called this morning to get another to add to my roster and they had 2 left in stock. Well when I hung up there was only one in stock........
The one I already have is indeed a sweet running and beautifully detailed loco. It is also a great puller pulling 20 40' boxcars up a 2.5% grade with no modifications. I really didn't want to spend money on more locos right now but this deal was too good to pass up!
Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO
We'll get there sooner or later!
twhite wrote: Isambard wrote: Isambard wrote: twhite wrote: Isambard wrote: Is the painted/undecorated Spectrum HO 2-6-6-2 currently listed on Micro-Mark's website ($129 no sound) based on a specific railroad's version or is it a generic USRA 2-6-6-2, also what era - 1920's, 30's or '40's? Isambard: To my knowlege, the Bachmann 2-6-6-2 is based on the USRA WW1 C&O/NKP/W&LE 2-6-6-2 design, which was common among those three railroads. It pretty much depends on whether the model has the twin pumps on the boiler front (C&O) or the single pump on the right hand side (facing the front). It's definitely NOT a Rio Grande, GN, NP or Western Pacific prototype, since the cylinders are simple, not Compound, and the 2-6-6-2's for those railroads mostly pre-dated the USRA design. But it's a little charmer of a loco, and very much worth running if you have mine or coal traffic on your MR. It would work on any layout from the 1920's to the early 1950's. These locos were fairly long-lived because of their versatility. Tom Tom: The photos on the Micro-Mark site show the loco with pumps on both sides of the smoke box front. The front set of cylinders look considerably larger than the rear, so it looks like a compound to me. Both sets have cylinder valves.I think I've found the answer, by comparing the photos on the Micro-Mark site with those in MR's Cyclopedia- Vol 1 Steam Locomotives, edited by Linn Wescott. The Spectrum 2-6-6-2 appears to be based on the ten Class H6 1949 models produced for C&O by Baldwin - compound, with rectangular tenders.One of these will be entering Grizzly Northern service soon - overtaking the road's USRA 2-10-2 Santa Fe type in tractive effort, length and weight - looks as if there'll be a need to beef up the rail weight and strengthen bridges and trestles to handle the big guy!Isambard--Actually, the C&O and N&W used these 2-6-6-2's on mine branch trackage a lot--where curves prohibited a large-wheel based non-articulated. And they were used to 'light' trackage, so if you prefer not to, you don't have to 'beef' up your rail weight. Those little gals were incredibly versatile locos. Have fun with it--I think you'll REALLY like its running and pulling characteristics. I know I do!Tom
Isambard wrote: Isambard wrote: twhite wrote: Isambard wrote: Is the painted/undecorated Spectrum HO 2-6-6-2 currently listed on Micro-Mark's website ($129 no sound) based on a specific railroad's version or is it a generic USRA 2-6-6-2, also what era - 1920's, 30's or '40's? Isambard: To my knowlege, the Bachmann 2-6-6-2 is based on the USRA WW1 C&O/NKP/W&LE 2-6-6-2 design, which was common among those three railroads. It pretty much depends on whether the model has the twin pumps on the boiler front (C&O) or the single pump on the right hand side (facing the front). It's definitely NOT a Rio Grande, GN, NP or Western Pacific prototype, since the cylinders are simple, not Compound, and the 2-6-6-2's for those railroads mostly pre-dated the USRA design. But it's a little charmer of a loco, and very much worth running if you have mine or coal traffic on your MR. It would work on any layout from the 1920's to the early 1950's. These locos were fairly long-lived because of their versatility. Tom Tom: The photos on the Micro-Mark site show the loco with pumps on both sides of the smoke box front. The front set of cylinders look considerably larger than the rear, so it looks like a compound to me. Both sets have cylinder valves.I think I've found the answer, by comparing the photos on the Micro-Mark site with those in MR's Cyclopedia- Vol 1 Steam Locomotives, edited by Linn Wescott. The Spectrum 2-6-6-2 appears to be based on the ten Class H6 1949 models produced for C&O by Baldwin - compound, with rectangular tenders.One of these will be entering Grizzly Northern service soon - overtaking the road's USRA 2-10-2 Santa Fe type in tractive effort, length and weight - looks as if there'll be a need to beef up the rail weight and strengthen bridges and trestles to handle the big guy!
Isambard wrote: twhite wrote: Isambard wrote: Is the painted/undecorated Spectrum HO 2-6-6-2 currently listed on Micro-Mark's website ($129 no sound) based on a specific railroad's version or is it a generic USRA 2-6-6-2, also what era - 1920's, 30's or '40's? Isambard: To my knowlege, the Bachmann 2-6-6-2 is based on the USRA WW1 C&O/NKP/W&LE 2-6-6-2 design, which was common among those three railroads. It pretty much depends on whether the model has the twin pumps on the boiler front (C&O) or the single pump on the right hand side (facing the front). It's definitely NOT a Rio Grande, GN, NP or Western Pacific prototype, since the cylinders are simple, not Compound, and the 2-6-6-2's for those railroads mostly pre-dated the USRA design. But it's a little charmer of a loco, and very much worth running if you have mine or coal traffic on your MR. It would work on any layout from the 1920's to the early 1950's. These locos were fairly long-lived because of their versatility. Tom Tom: The photos on the Micro-Mark site show the loco with pumps on both sides of the smoke box front. The front set of cylinders look considerably larger than the rear, so it looks like a compound to me. Both sets have cylinder valves.
twhite wrote: Isambard wrote: Is the painted/undecorated Spectrum HO 2-6-6-2 currently listed on Micro-Mark's website ($129 no sound) based on a specific railroad's version or is it a generic USRA 2-6-6-2, also what era - 1920's, 30's or '40's? Isambard: To my knowlege, the Bachmann 2-6-6-2 is based on the USRA WW1 C&O/NKP/W&LE 2-6-6-2 design, which was common among those three railroads. It pretty much depends on whether the model has the twin pumps on the boiler front (C&O) or the single pump on the right hand side (facing the front). It's definitely NOT a Rio Grande, GN, NP or Western Pacific prototype, since the cylinders are simple, not Compound, and the 2-6-6-2's for those railroads mostly pre-dated the USRA design. But it's a little charmer of a loco, and very much worth running if you have mine or coal traffic on your MR. It would work on any layout from the 1920's to the early 1950's. These locos were fairly long-lived because of their versatility. Tom
Isambard wrote: Is the painted/undecorated Spectrum HO 2-6-6-2 currently listed on Micro-Mark's website ($129 no sound) based on a specific railroad's version or is it a generic USRA 2-6-6-2, also what era - 1920's, 30's or '40's?
Is the painted/undecorated Spectrum HO 2-6-6-2 currently listed on Micro-Mark's website ($129 no sound) based on a specific railroad's version or is it a generic USRA 2-6-6-2, also what era - 1920's, 30's or '40's?
Isambard: To my knowlege, the Bachmann 2-6-6-2 is based on the USRA WW1 C&O/NKP/W&LE 2-6-6-2 design, which was common among those three railroads. It pretty much depends on whether the model has the twin pumps on the boiler front (C&O) or the single pump on the right hand side (facing the front). It's definitely NOT a Rio Grande, GN, NP or Western Pacific prototype, since the cylinders are simple, not Compound, and the 2-6-6-2's for those railroads mostly pre-dated the USRA design. But it's a little charmer of a loco, and very much worth running if you have mine or coal traffic on your MR.
It would work on any layout from the 1920's to the early 1950's. These locos were fairly long-lived because of their versatility.
Tom
Tom: The photos on the Micro-Mark site show the loco with pumps on both sides of the smoke box front. The front set of cylinders look considerably larger than the rear, so it looks like a compound to me. Both sets have cylinder valves.
I think I've found the answer, by comparing the photos on the Micro-Mark site with those in MR's Cyclopedia- Vol 1 Steam Locomotives, edited by Linn Wescott. The Spectrum 2-6-6-2 appears to be based on the ten Class H6 1949 models produced for C&O by Baldwin - compound, with rectangular tenders.
One of these will be entering Grizzly Northern service soon - overtaking the road's USRA 2-10-2 Santa Fe type in tractive effort, length and weight - looks as if there'll be a need to beef up the rail weight and strengthen bridges and trestles to handle the big guy!
Isambard--
Actually, the C&O and N&W used these 2-6-6-2's on mine branch trackage a lot--where curves prohibited a large-wheel based non-articulated. And they were used to 'light' trackage, so if you prefer not to, you don't have to 'beef' up your rail weight. Those little gals were incredibly versatile locos.
Have fun with it--I think you'll REALLY like its running and pulling characteristics. I know I do!
"Those little gals" may have been little by comparison with later articulateds, but still were sizeable loco's at about 96 feet total length coupler face to coupler face, 449,000 lbs weight, 98,300 lbs T.E. in simple starting mode. Those characteristics compare with the CPR's largest loco's, the 2-10-4 Type "Selkirks" T1 Class locos, which were about 98 feet over the couplers, 447,000 lbs and 78,000 lbs T.E. (plus 12,000-12,500 lbs starting with booster).
The only articulated's that operated in Canada (apart from Shays, Heislers and Climaxes) were the CPR 0-6-6-0's built in 1911, later converted to 2-10-0's. By introducing a 2-6-6-2 to the Grizzly Northern, history is being re-written - call it historical license.
Mine arrived from Micro-Mark in great shape and time.
Runs Great.
But the tender will not stay on the track.
Am using the last hole in the drawbar. 22r. track, plenty of slack with the wires.
I think the front truck needs to be removed and the hole needs to be reamed.
As soon as my arthritic hands loosen up I will work on it.
That's why I prefer On30, easier too see and work on.
The C&O H-6 class 2-6-6-2s were updates of the H-4 class; the USRA engines were the H-5 class, and deviated from normal C&O practice in several respects. Eugene Huddleston's book on the USRA engines says that the USRA 2-6-6-2 was derived from the N&W Z-1, which was itself derived from a series of tests the N&W ran with a borrowed H-4, but the H-6 was not an update of the USRA design - it was a straightforward update of the predecessor to the USRA design.
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"The first transition era - wood to steel!"
cudaken wrote: Any links or PIC of the 2-6-6-2? Cuda Ken
Any links or PIC of the 2-6-6-2?
Here's a link to the Bachmann Spectrum 2-6-6-2:
http://www.micromark.com/detailimgs/83866d.jpg
JohnT14808 wrote: Wow! When I received the direct email from Micro Mark, I ordered one right away. It will be a perfect loco for my military train. {Note to self....Try to figure out how to get teeny tiny numbers onto the number boards on this puppy....} I got mine on Friday, 5/4.However, I took apart the tender to see how the "DCC ready" really looked and I can not believe how SMALL the plug area is for the decoder. Is it supposed to be THAT small of an area? I know that decoders have gotten pretty tiny, but the "plug" that is in the decoder socket right now is smaller than my thumb nail!! Then I went out to Lenz and Digitrax sites and realized that decoders HAVE gotten pretty darn tiny. I will be testing this guy on Thursday at the clubhouse. Hope it runs like several of the forum members have noted in earlier parts of this thread.
Wow! When I received the direct email from Micro Mark, I ordered one right away. It will be a perfect loco for my military train. {Note to self....Try to figure out how to get teeny tiny numbers onto the number boards on this puppy....} I got mine on Friday, 5/4.
However, I took apart the tender to see how the "DCC ready" really looked and I can not believe how SMALL the plug area is for the decoder. Is it supposed to be THAT small of an area? I know that decoders have gotten pretty tiny, but the "plug" that is in the decoder socket right now is smaller than my thumb nail!!
Then I went out to Lenz and Digitrax sites and realized that decoders HAVE gotten pretty darn tiny. I will be testing this guy on Thursday at the clubhouse. Hope it runs like several of the forum members have noted in earlier parts of this thread.
The Tsunami Sound Decoder fits nice with room for a 1.1 inch speaker in the coal bunker
I did a 15 second video of mine Double click on the picture titled Tsunami Sound
http://s132.photobucket.com/albums/q4/TerryinTexas/?sc=1&addtype=local
I'll post a better picture in this weeks Photo fun
Tom View my layout photos! http://s299.photobucket.com/albums/mm310/TWhite-014/Rio%20Grande%20Yuba%20River%20Sub One can NEVER have too many Articulateds!
For more information please see www.cohs.org. They have a year ordered roster of the train class and numbers.
Don - Specializing in layout DC->DCC conversions
Modeling C&O transition era and steel industries There's Nothing Like Big Steam!
twhite wrote: MidlandPacific wrote: Tom, My advice would be to decorate it with the flying Grande logo - that was introduced in 1941, and seems to have been standard for the power they bought secondhand during the war - I haven't found any foreign power (Water Buffaloes, 2-6-6-2s, 2-8-8-2s) pictures with the older logos, much as I like them. Midland--I know, and believe me, I really appreciate the correct historical advice, but--sigh--I'm really more of a fan of the tri-color herald. Just got to think this thing out, LOL! Actually, if I were really correct, I'd peel off the front-hung pumps, put them on the fireman's side, get a new boiler front and slap a rectangular Rio Grande number plate on, and find some big, hunking compound slide-valve cylinders for the front engine, then do a filing number on the rear cylinders--oh boy, I don't want to go there, LOL! I just turned one of the Spectrum USRA Heavy 4-8-2's into a 'reasonable' facsimile of an SP/EP&SW MT-2--pre "Skyline Casing", and though that's only boiler work so far, it's dawned on me that I'd have to replace the valve gear to make it "Authentic". I'm not going there, either. That 2-6-6-2 It's such a cute little guy the way it is--and I really don't want to attack it with a rebuild. I'll just think about the Rio Grande lettering. Maybe I'll just leave it with the Salt Lake Shops having stripped the C&O lettering, but having forgotten to repaint it before sending it out onto mine runs. Hey, it happened!Tom
MidlandPacific wrote: Tom, My advice would be to decorate it with the flying Grande logo - that was introduced in 1941, and seems to have been standard for the power they bought secondhand during the war - I haven't found any foreign power (Water Buffaloes, 2-6-6-2s, 2-8-8-2s) pictures with the older logos, much as I like them.
Tom,
My advice would be to decorate it with the flying Grande logo - that was introduced in 1941, and seems to have been standard for the power they bought secondhand during the war - I haven't found any foreign power (Water Buffaloes, 2-6-6-2s, 2-8-8-2s) pictures with the older logos, much as I like them.
Midland--
I know, and believe me, I really appreciate the correct historical advice, but--sigh--I'm really more of a fan of the tri-color herald. Just got to think this thing out, LOL! Actually, if I were really correct, I'd peel off the front-hung pumps, put them on the fireman's side, get a new boiler front and slap a rectangular Rio Grande number plate on, and find some big, hunking compound slide-valve cylinders for the front engine, then do a filing number on the rear cylinders--oh boy, I don't want to go there, LOL! I just turned one of the Spectrum USRA Heavy 4-8-2's into a 'reasonable' facsimile of an SP/EP&SW MT-2--pre "Skyline Casing", and though that's only boiler work so far, it's dawned on me that I'd have to replace the valve gear to make it "Authentic". I'm not going there, either.
That 2-6-6-2 It's such a cute little guy the way it is--and I really don't want to attack it with a rebuild. I'll just think about the Rio Grande lettering. Maybe I'll just leave it with the Salt Lake Shops having stripped the C&O lettering, but having forgotten to repaint it before sending it out onto mine runs. Hey, it happened!
One of my favorite pictures in Morris Cafky's book on the Midland is of a Class 115 2-8-0 at Wild Horse, taken just after it had been renumbered to avoid confusion with the CS&CCD locomotives that the Midland was using during the big WWI traffic crunch. The picture's sepia-toned, but the locomotive was pretty heavily weathered. To renumber it, the shop forces painted a black square on the tender and stencilled the number "62" on the center of the square - it looks sort of like a very poor decaling job!
I gather you're referring to the Grande 3300s, no? The dimensions on the USRA 2-6-6-2s are on the large side for those engines, but they're fairly close to the N&W Z-1s, since those were one of the inputs to the USRA design. Unfortunately, there's never been an affordable 3300 in brass - someone, I think Division Point, did them in the Nineties, but they're astronomically expensive.