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Posted by selector on Monday, March 26, 2007 12:44 PM
 Dave Vollmer wrote:

The only source of shame in this game is the kind we bring upon ourselves if we fret endlessly over how someone else's layout is bigger, better, farther along, etc., ...

...and do nothing about it!  Envy can be a great motivator, but it brings a huge cost and that is usually a loathing...of one's own unmet aspirations and of the standard to which you aspire.

So, yes, I agree with you, Dave.  It is a shame to fret endlessly and take no steps to rectify...if the other standard is worthy.  And that begs the question, don't it.

Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by SteamFreak on Monday, March 26, 2007 1:11 PM

 selector wrote:

...and do nothing about it!  Envy can be a great motivator, but it brings a huge cost and that is usually a loathing...of one's own unmet aspirations and of the standard to which you aspire.

So, yes, I agree with you, Dave.  It is a shame to fret endlessly and take no steps to rectify...if the other standard is worthy.  And that begs the question, don't it.

Big Smile [:D]

I was staying out of this controversy, but you just took the words from my mouth, Selector. Anyone truly secure about their own talents wouldn't feel compelled to bash the work of others.

How many of today's top model railroaders were inspired in childhood by 3 rails, 27 inch radii, and foreshortened locomotives? More than a few. Darn that unprototypical Lionel.

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Posted by Midnight Railroader on Monday, March 26, 2007 2:15 PM
 SteamFreak wrote:

Anyone truly secure about their own talents wouldn't feel compelled to bash the work of others.

That's quite a leap you've taken.

It means that NO ONE can critique the work of anyone else, because if he does, why, then, he's insecure.

I guess this board (and the world in general) is now relegated to people giving each other "attaboys," no matter what they think of the modeling they see.

Perhaps the "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" concept is what you want?

Nope. I have an opinion and the fact that it is critical does not make me insecure nor does it mean I will refrain from expressing it.

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Posted by Lego_90 on Monday, March 26, 2007 2:25 PM
 Midnight Railroader wrote:
 SteamFreak wrote:

Anyone truly secure about their own talents wouldn't feel compelled to bash the work of others.

That's quite a leap you've taken.

It means that NO ONE can critique the work of anyone else, because if he does, why, then, he's insecure.

He said "bash", not "critique".  There's a big difference between the two IMO.

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Posted by SunsetLimited on Monday, March 26, 2007 2:40 PM

 Midnight Railroader wrote:
 SunsetLimited wrote:
the goal is to build a believable display
If that's the goal, then they failed to achieve it. Which was my point in the first place. Thanks for helping me make it.

 I didn't mean believable in that Las Vegas is going to be right next to the alps, i meant believable in that bridge looking like it belongs there, its not just a useless bridge on the layout, or the roads blending well with the sidewalks and terrain. Even with several different locales, they blend well into a nice display, that was my meaning. Sorry for the confusion.

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Posted by cripp12 on Monday, March 26, 2007 2:48 PM
I just wish I could find N scale version of the soccer players.
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Posted by on30francisco on Monday, March 26, 2007 3:22 PM

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I agree with the above post, its a great example of what can be accomplished. Just because its not another dingy steam era layout or some lame shelf switching job that if taken to a show most of the crowd would pass right by or fall asleep looking at, doesn't mean its not a model railroad if thats what they designed it to be, if they designed it to be a model world of transportation thats cool to. Its a great example of both, and thats what the crowds want.

I think this public display layout will draw more people into the hobby because this layout is as much a model railroad as the ones that strive for perfect realism. As for it being "another dingy steam era railroad," VIVA STEAM!! 

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Posted by SunsetLimited on Monday, March 26, 2007 3:32 PM
 on30francisco wrote:

 SunsetLimited wrote:
I agree with the above post, its a great example of what can be accomplished. Just because its not another dingy steam era layout or some lame shelf switching job that if taken to a show most of the crowd would pass right by or fall asleep looking at, doesn't mean its not a model railroad if thats what they designed it to be, if they designed it to be a model world of transportation thats cool to. Its a great example of both, and thats what the crowds want.

I think this public display layout will draw more people into the hobby because this layout is as much a model railroad as the ones that strive for perfect realism. As for it being "another dingy steam era railroad," VIVA STEAM!! 

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 26, 2007 3:42 PM
Did anyone catch that last picture in the series?  What were those people doing in that field of flowers?
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Posted by tstage on Monday, March 26, 2007 3:56 PM

All I gotta say is...that's ONE high scorin' soccer (football) game! Shock [:O]

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Posted by lvanhen on Monday, March 26, 2007 4:32 PM

I TOO HAVE BEEN STAYING OUT OF THIS "CRITIQUE" BY THOSE WHO OFTEN HAVE NOTHING GOOD TO SAY ABOUT MOST OF THE POSTS.  THIS LAYOUT WAS NOT CREATED FOR "PURISTS" TO NIT PICK, IT WAS CREATED TO BE A DISPLAY FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF MANY.  IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT - TOO BAD!! - IT'S THEIR LAYOUT!!  MODEL RAILROADING IS A VAST HOBBY.  MANY OF THE POSTERS HERE ARE SUPERB MODELERS, AND A FEW, LIKE ME, DON'T HAVE THE TIME OR EYESIGHT TO COUNT RIVITS.  IF YOU LIKE TO COUNT RIVITS, GOOD, I'LL NOT TELL YOU NOT TO MAKE THE PERFECT MODEL OF "WHATEVER", BUT DON'T TELL ME THE BOTTLE BRUSH CHRISTMAS TREES I PUT ON THE LAYOUT FOR MY GRANDSONS AT CHRISTMAS TIME ARE NOT "CORRECT" - I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU THINK, I DO IT FOR MY GRANDSONS' AND MY ENJOYMENT!!!

TOO MANY THREADS DIGRESS INTO PERSONAL DISAGREEMENTS - I WAS IN ONE SOME MONTHS AGO UNTILL I REMOVED MY HEAD FROM MYCensored [censored] AND STOPPED THE BACK & FORTH WITH AN APOLOGY.

MAYBE BERGIE SHOULD ADD A RULE ABOUT BEING PLAIN UNPLEASANT!!

IT'S MY (OUR) RAILROAD & I'LL (WE'LL) RUN IT THE WAY WWE DARN PLEASE!!!Big Smile [:D]   

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Posted by Bill H. on Monday, March 26, 2007 5:00 PM

 briandugas wrote:
Did anyone catch that last picture in the series?  What were those people doing in that field of flowers?

I was wondering that myself, as the effort has "no basis in reality", or so it's been said.

Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by Midnight Railroader on Monday, March 26, 2007 5:15 PM
 lvanhen wrote:

IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT - TOO BAD!! - IT'S THEIR LAYOUT!!    

If you don't agree with my opinion of the display - too bad! - it's my opinion and I'll still express it.

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Posted by selector on Monday, March 26, 2007 5:26 PM

"It is not what goes into your mouth that defiles you, but what comes out of it."

Bye, folks.

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Posted by mikelhh on Monday, March 26, 2007 5:46 PM

 Fascinating layout, Mr B, with plenty to fire the imagination of modellers and non-modellers alike. Thanks for showing it. I'd certainly like to see it.

 Mike

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Monday, March 26, 2007 11:52 PM
 Bill H. wrote:

 briandugas wrote:
Did anyone catch that last picture in the series?  What were those people doing in that field of flowers?

I was wondering that myself, as the effort has "no basis in reality", or so it's been said.

Whistling [:-^]

Rather looks like they're picking the sunflowers.  A couple of weeks from now you'll be able to buy the seeds (the black spot in the middle of the flower,) shelled or unshelled, at your favorite convenience store...Wink [;)]

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Posted by selector on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:11 AM
..no doubt with an oddly familiar, yet elusive, flavour.
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Posted by MisterBeasley on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:45 AM

Wow, is it the phase of the moon?  Maybe we've all got cabin fever?  Did the early switch to Daylight Savings Time throw our internal clocks out of sync?

I just thought it was interesting.  Not good, bad or ugly, just interesting.

If it was mine, I'd have put John, Paul, George and Ringo on Mount Rushmore.  And it would have been American football, Pats 52, Colts 3.  Sorry, Peyton.  That's what you get for runnin' down your Mom like that.

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:13 PM

After reading all these posts before I looked at the pictures, I must say I was surprised.  I was expecting some really toy like junk.  While it was no where close to some of the wonderful layouts I've seen, it is certainly better than most I've seen.

I was very disapointed that it seemed to have all the cliché scenes - building on fire, "working" drive in theater, animals excapting from the zoo, splendor in the grass (or sunflowers in this case), etc.

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Posted by twhite on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:39 PM

Am I mistaken, or wasn't this layout featured in MR several years ago?  Seems to me there was an article about a very large layout in Hamburg.  I think I remember the Soccer field, which at the time was in the process of being built.  And at the time, some plans to include some US prototype modeling in the future. 

I've seen several rather nice European layouts, and for me at least, the trains are not necessarily the 'focal' point, as much as they are part of the entire miniature world.   I think it's a difference in perspective, not better or worse, but just different.   And let's face it, if any of us had access to a space the size of a warehouse, wouldn't we want our trains to operate through at least SOME interesting scenic places?   For myself--wow, I could do the ENTIRE Sierra Nevada's.  Plus, a couple of really BIG yards!

Tom

 

 

 

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Posted by PASMITH on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:01 PM
I have been fortunate to have seen many great model RR's around the world from NZ to Germany & the UK and Frary & Haydens custom built RR in Tokyo. I have seen the old and new Chicago Museum displays , the old and new New York Society of Model RR engineers displays, The Citi Christmas displays in NY, Lionels display at 15 E 26th St.in NY, Northlandz, Bob Browns Tuolumne Forks RR, Selios' F&SM, Allen McClelland's V &O and many others. I have only positive comments and have learned much from all these experiences. My favorite model RR is the Tehachapi Loop display in San Diego.

Peter Smith, Memphis

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