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The pros and cons of modeling with diabetes......
Posted by loathar on Saturday, February 24, 2007 2:27 PM

The cons-With age, your hands get fumbly and you have a hard time doing some things.

The pros-When the drill motor slips in the process of driving a sheet rock screw and the phillips bit plunges all the way through your thumb you don't feel it as much.Shock [:O]

Or I could have titled this-I've been bleedin on my rail.....road....

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Posted by GAPPLEG on Saturday, February 24, 2007 2:42 PM
My problem of modeling with diabetes is my lack of energy, I'll tell myself to get in there and work on something and I just can't pull myself up to go do it. I work all day at G.E. and by the time I get home I'm whipped.  Lack of feeling really hasn't hurt me yet, sometimes the hands go numb but I can still do the small work anyway. It's just that lack of go get-em.
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Posted by selector on Saturday, February 24, 2007 2:53 PM

On your behalf, and for all non-afflicted folks out there, let me say......

 

OOOOOOOWWWWW!!!

Sorry it had to happen.  I hope you are okay?

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 24, 2007 2:59 PM

Oh boy, that sounds familiar! However, the Pros and Cons for me are: (con) where did my bifocals go now! and (pro) that cordless drill falling off the bench onto my foot didn't hurt so bad!

Oh, and the other big plus. Now, for the 1st time in my life, I don't have a shortage of pill bottles to store all them little parts in!!!Big Smile [:D] 

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Posted by metalfrog on Saturday, February 24, 2007 3:04 PM
i have diabetes big time...it has caused me severe nerve damage.of course low blood sugar is just as dangerous and when mine goes low i get extremely weak and cold and very sleepy.that curtails my working on the RR for about four hours or so.since the layout is at another location i alway's keep sugar handy.unfortunately i feel them exacto blade's cutting my finger's all the timeSleepy [|)] terry......
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Posted by modelmaker51 on Saturday, February 24, 2007 3:04 PM
I'm 56 and got diagnosed in '92 as a Type II. I'm still on pills and my sugar levels are good, (I did lose 80 lbs a few years back), besides the occaisional bouts of tiredness, the only other symptom I have is increasing numbness in my feet which doesn't hinder my modeling. 

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Posted by loathar on Saturday, February 24, 2007 3:32 PM

Numbness in the feet. Feels like I'm walking on marbles all the time.Lots of fun.

I've been getting pains in my feet that feels like someone jabbed a knitting needle through them. Real great when your trying to paint fine detail or working on a loco. Dropped a couple of locos over that kind of pain.

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Posted by GAPPLEG on Saturday, February 24, 2007 3:52 PM
     Yeah, I walk alot at work , the feet get hot , then cold, then tingle like asleep, usually doesn't bother me when I'm just sitting at the work bench.  My levels are pretty good, try to watch my diet closely.  We're probably boring the other folks to death with this thread, but it could be like a support group for us that are afflicted. I sure Jeffery will chime in at some point too.
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Posted by twhite on Saturday, February 24, 2007 5:08 PM

I don't have diabetes, but I was recently diagnosed with COPD (Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease).  Luckly, it's mild and though not reversable, can be controlled by medication and breathing treatments.  But I can understand the fatigue syndrome--I've had to cut back on work, at least until the meds take effect.  It's also cut back on my big model railroad projects for the time being, but since this is winter (and I have a garage layout), I never do much major work until Spring and Summer, anyway.  Unfortunately, having COPD leaves you VERY susceptible to colds and flu during this season, and I'm just coming off a bout with pneumonia that has left me tired, groggy and VERY cranky. 

Going back to work next Monday, but only part-time for a while.  Right now, the model railroad projects consist of tuning up some of my brass steamers and re-placing the cruddy couplers on my Walther's passenger cars with Kadees. 

Have to go out and clean up the MR track and stuff, when I get the energy back.  Don't even want to think about it, right now. 

Old age ain't for sissies.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Saturday, February 24, 2007 5:29 PM

 GAPPLEG wrote:
I sure Jeffery will chime in at some point too.

You must have known that I would be reading this.

I was first diagnosed in 1983 as a type II diabetic. Nothing serious they said. I was put on pills and it was left at that. Two years later, my vision started getting really flakey. Clear one day and blurry the next. Next came pain, swelling and numbness in my feet. That wasn't the worst of it though. That came when I started getting dizzy and passing out. I went back to the doctor for an examination and was immediatly admitted as a type I diabetic with a blood sugar level over 700. That was in 1985. The blood sugar problem was brought under control through exercise and diet but not before serious damage had occured. I couldn't feel my feet, except for some pain now and then and my fingers were getting numb. Jump ahead to 1995. No real progression of any nerve damage, the diet and all had been working as it was supposed to and I still had full use of my arms and legs. But I was starting to have problems with my energy level. I would tire quickly and just wasn't any good the rest of the day. In 1998, my blood sugar went out of control again. The medicine was no longer working. The docs put me on a new type of medicine that worked better. By this time, I had lost almost all feeling in my hands and the numbness in my feet was climbing up my legs. I could no longer do fine detail work as my hands were getting too shaky and it was getting really hard to hold onto things without crushing them. At this point, I decided it would be in my best interest to stop workinf with flex track and go back to sectional track. I was getting too many cuts from the tools and such. 2004, disaster struck. I was working as a custodial employee at the Ft Polk commisary at the time. I was pushing a floor scrubber back to the warehouse when I suddenly heard my right foot go CRUNCH! I didn't feel anything but I knew something was seriously wrong, because my foot quickly swelled to twice it's normal size. A visit to the doctor confirmed my worst fears. The bones in my foot had become soft and chalky, causing them to bend and warp out of shape. This caused a massive number of dislocations and breaks that all occured simutaniously. Three bones were dislocated and there were twelve breaks and itr was far too late for anything to be done. Again, the medicine was not working well. They once again changed my medication and this time put me on insulin injections. At the present, I take 1 shot a day (74 units of Lantus), 20 mg of Glypizide, 10 mg of another medicine for my blood pressure and various other medicines for things related to diabetes. I now have no feeling in my arms from the elbows down and no feeling in my legs from the knees down. I can walk, but I have to wear special braces and use a cane to maintain my balance. I'm permantly disabled and can no longer work. Throughout it all, my model railroading has progressed, unhindered. I've switched over to DCC and am in the process of converting my locomotives to DCC. There are some things I can't do anymore, but I've found new ways of doing many of the things that I had thought I'd never be able to do again. I've found that if I watch what I'm doing very carefully, I can do some very good detail work. You've probably all seen examples of my work posted here and there on the forum so you know what I'm talking about.

Now, if there is someone worse in the room, please step up.

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Posted by john1947 on Saturday, February 24, 2007 5:39 PM

  I'm now 60 and was diagnosed with type II when I was 50. Have been on three different meds since. The other day my Dr. tells me that one of the meds he has been giving me is starting to affect my kidneys, so now I have to go on insulin. As with others on this thread, tiredness, numbness, and vision are just some of the problems we work with when running our MRR.

 John

 

 

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Posted by Charlie on Saturday, February 24, 2007 5:44 PM

I too am diabetic Insulin dependent Type II and use a pump. For me, Okay, where did I put such n such. I sympahthize w/the low blood sugars while modeling. I've got plenty of energy but, the ambition/desire is another thing. I took a hiatus in 06 and did some armor modeling instead.

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Posted by loathar on Saturday, February 24, 2007 5:59 PM

Jeffrey-I think your gonna take first place on this one. My doctor had to buy a better meter cause I kept pegging his. (only went to 500) I think the only thing worse than 650 is 20. I can feel I'm going low. I know what I need to do. But my brain locks up and I can't do anything about it. I know what's happening but I'm in a fog to do anything about it. You could take me by the hand and tell me to jump off a cliff and I'd probably do it. The paramedics had to bag and zap me once. They said I was blue and had been dead for a minute or two. It's pretty weird to be watching TV one minute and the next thing you know they're pushing you in the back of an ambulance.Dead [xx(]

I used to be on that Lantis and some other drug but I got tired of taking 4-5 shots a day. Been on shots for about 8 years now. I take a 70/30 mix twice a day now. Did you know you don't need a perscription for that stuff anymore? I just buy mine over the counter at Wal Mart when I'm buying my Malibu HO cars. See, I worked trains into it.Big Smile [:D]

P.S.-None of the little people on my layout have diabetes. They found a cure for it in my little world.

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Posted by CSXect on Saturday, February 24, 2007 6:18 PM

I am a 37year old Diabetec I take two pills and it seems to keep things undercontroll evan when I eat stuff I should not. My hands get numb when driving. Also wounds will not heal as fast. The Doc says if I can lose enough weight that I may be able to control it with a healthy diet.

I am often to tired to do much of anything and having been unemployed for 3 years has made it worse. I starty a new job Monday as a temporary posistion(4 weeks period with a total of 40 hours spread between those 4 weeks.) It might lead to a longer term oppertunity.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Saturday, February 24, 2007 6:20 PM
Loathar: About the part about waking up in an ambulance, or hospital for that matter, been there and done that, several times. On the part about low blood sugar levels, 28 is the lowest I've been. One morning I almost crawled to the kitchen to get a candy bar stashed in one of the drawers. It can be rough, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, with the exception of a couple of trolls.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Saturday, February 24, 2007 6:25 PM

 CSXect wrote:
Also wounds will not heal as fast.

I know exactly where you're coming from on that one. I had an ulcer on the bottom of my right foot that took almost three years to heal. I'm still fighting with an open sore on the bottom of the big toe of my left foot. It's been there since 2002.

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Posted by Zandoz on Saturday, February 24, 2007 6:47 PM
 jeffrey-wimberly wrote:

 CSXect wrote:
Also wounds will not heal as fast.

I know exactly where you're coming from on that one. I had an ulcer on the bottom of my right foot that took almost three years to heal. I'm still fighting with an open sore on the bottom of the big toe of my left foot. It's been there since 2002.

Diabetic here also...and have a history of leg ulcers aggravated by also having an inherited venous stasis condition.  Also very prone to cellulitis  from the ulcers.   After several years battling those things, this past fall I was referred to a special wound clinic.  It took several different trial and error approaches (one of them resulting in the most excruciating week in my life), but at the end of about 2 months, and since, I'm ulcer free.   I do not know if you've had any experience with the likes of dedicated wound clinics, but the one here has worked wonders for me.

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Posted by loathar on Saturday, February 24, 2007 6:52 PM
Got open ant bites on the back of my calf from 3 summers ago. Couldn't feel that I was standing on a fire ant mound untill they got up past my knees. My kingdom for a new pancrease! At least they opened up a dialasis clinic 2 miles from me. Flip a coin,heads it's legs, tails it's kidneys. I wonder if I can sue the companies that make those Easter Peeps and freezer pops. I'm sure those are what did me in.
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Posted by lvanhen on Saturday, February 24, 2007 8:31 PM
Might as well chime ion - me too.  I'm 64 & was diagnosed with type II 6 years ago.  Taking 12 different meds for ther diabetes, high blood pressure, and residual pain from shingles from 3 years ago.  Aside from fatigue, it hasn't affected the modeling too much - just take it a little easier.  Hearing from Jeffry and others makes me feel a little better.  Maybe this is a help group!!Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Tracklayer on Saturday, February 24, 2007 8:57 PM
 loathar wrote:

The cons-With age, your hands get fumbly and you have a hard time doing some things.

The pros-When the drill motor slips in the process of driving a sheet rock screw and the phillips bit plunges all the way through your thumb you don't feel it as much.Shock [:O]

Or I could have titled this-I've been bleedin on my rail.....road....

"Hey loathar".

I'm a hypoglycemic myself. Too many sodas and candy bars as a kid is what the doctor said. I'm okay as long as I eat plenty of vegetables and watch my sugar intake really close. If I get too caught up in working on my layout or something and go without eating all day, I start getting the shakes, get irritable, then boom. I've got a headache and feel lousy the rest of the day...

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Posted by loathar on Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:29 PM

Ivanhen-Shingles, That one put my life on hold for almost a year. I wonder if that isn't what caused most of my nerve damage. I started seriousely looking at my pistol as a cure for my shingles. My doctor had me go for cat scans and a nerve conductivity test. This test amounted to a doctor shocking me with something like a high power train transformer and asking -did that hurt? Did that hurt? Did that hurt? Telling me my nerves where shot and handing me a bill for almost $5000 for an hour and a halfs work. I could have done that myself with a Lionel power pack a lot cheaper.

I bet we're boring the healthy people.(candy barSigh [sigh]Sleepy [|)]Zzz [zzz]Dead [xx(])

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Posted by CSXect on Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:50 PM
We have a wound care center here in Columbus, my father has been there a few times as he gets ulcers from bad veins in his legs they have helped him quite a bit. I still have feeling in my feet even when they get numb. I am too fat to fit in my Trans am with Ram AIR the steering wheel touches my gut. Once the weather gets better I will do a lot of walking in the neigborhood and use the tread mill I am too young to be in this sort of shape and being unemployed for over 3 years has made it worse. When I was working I would walk around the warehouse on lunch a few laps every day and I had to haul in big copiers from the the warehouse into the lab to test configure and repair them with a pallet jack do this between 5 and 10 times a day for 12 to 14 hours and you get pretty lean. I had two strikes against me mom has diabetes and my diet lots of carbs and sweets the worse was pop if some one would drink beer the way I drank pop they would be an alcoholic. I eat cake and lots of bread and pasta but in small amounts at a time. With medicine my blood sugar stays around 80 to 100 It droped down to 70 once and I felt kinda shakey because I was not used to being that low. As far as hindering my hobby I can not work very hard for long amounts of time, it took about half a year for me to teardown some walls and remove floor tiles from basement floor,now I am working on getting some carpet down so I can begin a layout.
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Posted by CSXect on Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:56 PM
Loathar, shingles are an adult form of chicken pox. When you get over chicken pox the virus goes dormant in your nerve endings and sometimes will flare up later in life. Mom had them bad about a yearago and she could hardley stand to move.
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Posted by Tracklayer on Saturday, February 24, 2007 10:04 PM

 CSXect wrote:
Loathar, shingles are an adult form of chicken pox. When you get over chicken pox the virus goes dormant in your nerve endings and sometimes will flare up later in life. Mom had them bad about a yearago and she could hardley stand to move.

Not to be an alarmist, but sometimes shingles are also the first sign of a more serious illness to come - like cancer... I've known a number of people over the years that came down with shingles, then within a year or so of getting over it, came down with some sort of illness. I hope this isn't the case with you.

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Posted by CSXect on Saturday, February 24, 2007 10:23 PM
 Tracklayer wrote:

 CSXect wrote:
Loathar, shingles are an adult form of chicken pox. When you get over chicken pox the virus goes dormant in your nerve endings and sometimes will flare up later in life. Mom had them bad about a yearago and she could hardley stand to move.

Not to be an alarmist, but sometimes shingles are also the first sign of a more serious illness to come - like cancer... I've known a number of people over the years that came down with shingles, then within a year or so of getting over it, came down with some sort of illness. I hope this isn't the case with you.

Tracklayer

Funny that you mentioned that mom had a kiddney removed that had cancer in itShock [:O]

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Posted by loathar on Saturday, February 24, 2007 10:33 PM
Tracklayer-THANKS! Just what I needed to hear. Everyone in my family has died of cancer or a heart attack. Maybe I'll be the one that bucks the trend and gets creamed by a freight train at a poorly marked crossing.(probably CSXBig Smile [:D])
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Posted by nopb on Saturday, February 24, 2007 10:48 PM

Jeff, I have diabeties as well and while it's true that healing takes a bit longer with all the other stuff that goes along with it, I have found a great treatment for cuts or ulcers that don't seem to want to heal - my mother-in-law who lived way out in the country in northern Louisiana told me to put some of the sap from an aloe-vera plant on it and it would heal up!!  Well, having a good mother-in-law that one could trust with such things, I tried it with one of her plants.  In two days the cut healed on my hand to just a very small dot and completely went away in the next two days.  I have a couple of friends that are diabetic as well and have encouraged them to try this- one had an ulcer on his shin for over three months that his doctor had been prescribing stuff for and it just wouldn't heal- I went to the garden department at Lowe's and bought him a small aloe-vera plant and took it to him.  We actually were attending a conference in Columbus, Ohio, for a week.  By the time we got home, his leg was just about completely healed.  I had a bad spot on my arm and just cut a leaf off and left it on my bathroom counter and each day would cut about 1/4" inch off to expose a new end and squeeze a little on my arm.  The spot disappeared in about a week.  It's really effective, but the sap needs to be realitively fresh to work best.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Saturday, February 24, 2007 11:15 PM
 When I had my major heart attack in '05 I was diagnosed  as a type II diabetic and became insulin dependent..My diabetes hasn't really effected my modeling,railfaning or club membership other then I tire easier then before.

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Posted by CSXect on Saturday, February 24, 2007 11:25 PM
Alo vera is a popular minor burn medicen as well. You might be able to find a squeeze bottle of alo vera at places such as GNC stores. I have found a  fix for muscles and joint pain use arnica jell and blue emu oil is also a good pain relever. Man they sure could use a spell check on this forumBanged Head [banghead] Mom always had a "burn plant" aloe vera around when I was a kid.
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Posted by R. T. POTEET on Sunday, February 25, 2007 12:52 AM
 loathar wrote:

The cons-With age, your hands get fumbly and you have a hard time doing some things.

The pros-When the drill motor slips in the process of driving a sheet rock screw and the phillips bit plunges all the way through your thumb you don't feel it as much.Shock [:O]

Or I could have titled this-I've been bleedin on my rail.....road....



I was diagnosed as Type II nine and a half years ago when I had a heart attack - hadn't been near a doctor's office in six years - I was healthy as the proverbial horse.  But I don't have nearly the problems some of you people have outlined; in fact, relatively speaking I guess, I am in great shape.

I take one Pravachol® a day and don't really pay an awful lot of attention to my diet; it did take me years to get my blood sugar level down to where my D.O. was happy and he has remained happy for the better part of two years now.  My wife was recently diagnosed with Type II and she keeps track of her blood sugar level on a daily basis; periodically she takes my level.  One morning it was 212; the next 103; a week later (after a breakfast of four toaster pastries) I was at 147; the next morning I was at 74.  When my diabetes acts up I dare not step too awfully far from a urinal.

I have pain and burning in my (lower) legs and feet but this is more from a reaction to Zocor® than a symptom of my diabetes; I take Naprosyn® for he burning and Neurontin® for the pain.  As a military retiree I get my medicines from DOD and they went from Pravachol® to Baychol® to Zocor® and I went right along with them until nine months into Zocor® when I quite suddenly developed this leg and feet problem; it took nine more months before my sawbones and I put two and two together and I went back to Pravachol® but by then the damage from the Zocor® was permanent and I am on Naprosyn® and Neurontin® for the rest of my life.  Needless to say, I don't run foot races anymore; I can go up and down stairs but not without some sort of handrail.  If I don't remember to take my Naprosyn® and Neurontin® before hitting the sack at night I don't go to sleep.

I will admit that I initially viewed the title to this post with some jocularity - until I read the responses.  I apologize for m lack of understanding of the seriousness of this problem.  That jocularity has now evaporated and I feel myself to be very, very lucky that my diabetes appears to be very, very, very minor.

Hang in there, guys!! I will put all of you on my prayer list.

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