Milwhiawatha wrote: OK heres my 2 cents1. Everyone has a right to their opinion2. Graphitti is illegal but its here get over it.3. It is art if you really look at it but no it shouldnt be a trains.4. look at 1 and 2.5. Its part of everyday life. You cant change it so why complain.
OK heres my 2 cents
1. Everyone has a right to their opinion
2. Graphitti is illegal but its here get over it.
3. It is art if you really look at it but no it shouldnt be a trains.
4. look at 1 and 2.
5. Its part of everyday life. You cant change it so why complain.
That's why when I saw 2 taggers tagging freight cars I called the Police..Last time I saw those pukes they was cuff and stuff in the back of a Police car.
Larry
Conductor.
Summerset Ry.
"Stay Alert, Don't get hurt Safety First!"
lollollol hey whatever floats all of your boats, all i can say is i like that people decerate the trains with colorful art, i wish some of you could see that to. if anyone has graffitti on there model trains take a picture and post it on here.
HAHAHAHA
And just to prove that I am not just "all talk" I am announcing the formation of Railroad Modelers Against Graffiti. If you would like to help, send me an email. If you send me an email espousing the virtues of Graffiti, it will be delete.
Sincerely,
George
"And the sons of Pullman porters and the sons of engineers ride their father's magic carpet made of steel..."
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Actually the only true statement is number 1. All of the rest are demonstrably false. If you google something like getting rid of graffitti, you will be rewarded with pages of information about how cities and indviduals are fighting this plague.
If enough pressure is put on the railroads they will be forced to clean up their cars and bust the "taggers".
-George
My question is why graffiti wasn't more prominent on older equipment. Was it because vandalizing rail equipment hadn't become a fad back then or did railroads remove it when it did appear.
As for you, Rave, there is a word for people like you. They are called CRIMINALS!!! Your attempts to justify an unjustifiable act is lame. To call it art is a sham. If you had any real talent you wouldn't have to paint your garbage on railroad equipment.
Rave, as far as your original post is concerned, I feel you have captured the essence of graffiti well on your models. To that extent, you are capturing realism, as well, so congratulations on your skill development.
And, yes, I brew my own beer and wine, and take perhaps one of either every two days or so.
I also teach reasoning and ethics at a major university. It is my hope that you will make it a point to study these things when you go to college, and you will see that your asking the question about my drinking was: a. irrelevant, and b. what is called an ad hominem fallacy in which the speaker can't rebut what the target person has said, so he deflects the argument to "the man"...which is what ad hominem means in Latin. It is an old tactic to attack the speaker when one is losing ground on the issues in an argument. It has great appeal to those who are unschooled in logic, but it brings a knowing smile to people like me.
I wish you continued success in your modelling. You are good at it.
thank you my friend thank you.
Rave,
I fear the reason this topic has, in your opinion, digressed from your intent is that you admitted to having done graffiti yourself. Most people here have a very low opinion of graffiti, myself included, so you will likely not win any points by trying to defend your actions.
Illegal art is still illegal, and you will have a very, very tough time trying to convince anyone here that trespassing on and defacing private property (railroads, after all, are not public property) is ever justified. Your actions broke the law on several counts, and that's a bad thing whether you believe that what you've done improves or destroys the appearance of the railroad cars.
Although many model railroaders model graffiti because it's a part of modern railroading, I doubt many would support you in your quest to make it sound like a good thing to do. Should you ever determine that my car, my house, or anything I own require your artistic talent, you would find me rather displeased.
Modeling the Rio Grande Southern First District circa 1938-1946 in HOn3.
Did Leonardo Da Vinci or Michelangelo slink around and tag the Pope's palace in the dark of night? I guess you could still call what he drew art, but it would have much less support than the stuff found on museum walls or in art galleries.
Rave, there is a bit of a problem with your logic in the previous post when you say there is a difference between doing something and getting caught. I am pretty sure a sharp fellow like you knows it, too. In fact, there is a saying that the test of a person's character comes when he knows no one is looking. In other words, you don't steal because you might get caught...that is a child's logic. An adult doesn't steal because it is wrong to steal, and a person of character declines to do things that inconvenience or impact upon others in a deleterious way if it can be avoided. Graffiti can be avoided...or at least, it should be avoided, but the choice for onlookers is taken away when the "artist" impose himself on the public.
One could say a highly tonal fart is music, but there might be disagreement on other grounds.
My
RAVE wrote:you know what also sucks people who cant shut the hell up and apperciate ART...
ART is something you do on YOUR property, canvas, paper, whatever. Defacing railroad equipment, public and private buildings is VANDALISM. Plain and simple. If you don't have permission to do "art", it is VANDALISM.
Bob Boudreau
CANADA
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Ah, yes! Here we go again. "Honoring" vandals and street gang thugs who put their lives in jeapordy to deface (sometimes destroy) private property.
I"m sure those of you who speak with such "reverence" of these taggers would have a different opinion of them and their "art" if you woke up one morning and found your new car had been "tagged".
YYYYAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNNNN! Forgive me if I'm not impressed.
MrKLUKE wrote: "While graffiti has existed for quite some time, the colorful "tagging" really started in the 80's IIRC." Boy...you are right about that. I was just watching old CHESSIE SYSTEM videos from 1981 and almost NOTHING had graffiti. Very, very few cars. I was actually surprised because I don't think of 1981 as being "that long ago". Every train had a caboose too. AND the cabooses even had all of their windows unblocked and unbroken. I have to admit, seeing trains that I grew up with NO graffiti was pretty cool. I just saw some guy who hand-painted an entire side of a box car with graffiti and it looked BETTER than most decals. If I didn't see it, I wouldn't have believed that someone could take hand-painting to that level. It rivaled anything I've ever seen graffiti-wise...and I've seen a lot. RAVE- IF you want your graffiti realistic, then look at prototypes and copy the real thing. Realism is not everyone's goal but, if that's what you want, study the prototypes over and over and over.Jeff (MrKLUKE)
"While graffiti has existed for quite some time, the colorful "tagging" really started in the 80's IIRC."
Boy...you are right about that. I was just watching old CHESSIE SYSTEM videos from 1981 and almost NOTHING had graffiti. Very, very few cars. I was actually surprised because I don't think of 1981 as being "that long ago". Every train had a caboose too. AND the cabooses even had all of their windows unblocked and unbroken. I have to admit, seeing trains that I grew up with NO graffiti was pretty cool. I just saw some guy who hand-painted an entire side of a box car with graffiti and it looked BETTER than most decals. If I didn't see it, I wouldn't have believed that someone could take hand-painting to that level. It rivaled anything I've ever seen graffiti-wise...and I've seen a lot. RAVE- IF you want your graffiti realistic, then look at prototypes and copy the real thing. Realism is not everyone's goal but, if that's what you want, study the prototypes over and over and over.
Jeff (MrKLUKE)
i use to do graffiti as a kid. and taggers at that time were pioneering, if you had enough balls to go walk the tracks and be lucky enough to have a boxcar sitting on a siding and you had paint ready to go with a desighn you did it, it was rare though
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jeffrey-wimberly wrote:I use a somewhat similar technique. I print the dsign on onion skin paper, cut it out and attach it to the model/surface with a thin film of white glue.
yah but once it gets old your screwed it is easyer to go to wal mart buy a sheet of blank labels and do it on them that way once they get old and such you peel them off and it looks good as new, as if it went through the shop
Fair enough, we all have to deal with what we have.
Rick