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Why I Don't Subscribe to Model Railroader Magazine
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 29, 2006 1:16 PM

I love the magazine and I buy a copy every month, usually at Meijer's. The LHS's never order enough. Sure I pay more this way than if I subscribed. On the other hand, after years of receiving tattered, shredded, soiled and rain soaked expensive magazines I've decided I'd rather pay more for a still legible product. I once watched our mail carrier walking toward the house in the rain. She was garbed completely in rain proof clothing.....except for her left hand, which gripping our stack of mail, was fully extended into a pouring down rain.

Anyone else have this sort of problem?

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Posted by Railphotog on Friday, December 29, 2006 1:21 PM

"Model RailroadING" magazine by Highland Station Publications is out of business, folded a month or so ago.

A sponsor of this forum is "Model RailroadER" magazine.  Perhaps it might be an idea to get your facts straight?

My subscription copies arrive nice and clean in clear plastic envelopes, never have had a torn or otherwise damaged magazine arrive in my mailbox.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, December 29, 2006 1:24 PM

They stopped putting mine int he clear plastic a long time ago, and I really hated that. In plastic, there NEVER was any damage. Plus there was no sticky label mucking up the nice cover photo. My mail is delivered curbside, to a mailbox, so I never had any weather damage. Only problem is if there is too much junk mail and the carrier attempts to jam it all in the box, had some mior tears that way.

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 29, 2006 1:25 PM

Railphotog

While you were attacking me I realized my mistake and was in the process of correcting it all on my own.

I always try to please.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 29, 2006 1:38 PM
I dont have problems with my delivery.  Maybe you could talk to your mail carrier about keeping your stuff dry while giving them a $10 tip for the New Year.  You might be surprised at the response you'll get.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 29, 2006 1:48 PM

In the USA Trains, MR, etc all come withOUT a plastic bag etc, just the mag in the mail

I can't say I have had problems with my mail such that it would cause me to subsribe or not.

Give the maillady a huge Christmas present like I do and you will get better service.

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Posted by bpickering on Friday, December 29, 2006 1:49 PM

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I dont have problems with my delivery.  Maybe you could talk to your mail carrier about keeping your stuff dry while giving them a $10 tip for the New Year.  You might be surprised at the response you'll get.

And if that doesn't work, go to the post office and ask to speak to a manager. I have had such problems for some time, finally culminating with a package being forceably bent to fit in our mailbox. (The sender's comment was that the mail-carrier must have been a gorilla to even bend it, much less the intelligence to consider DOING such). The manager agreed that it was unreasonable, and had a talk with the carrier. It happened again the next day, so back I went to the P.O. Manager agreed again... even acted somewhat embarrassed.

Carrier came up to our door to apologize the next day, he had been on vacation for a couple of weeks, and apparently the replacement had a bunch of complaints.

The point is that they do eventually listen.

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Posted by bryanbell on Friday, December 29, 2006 1:52 PM

I don't get mine in a plastic bag anymore either. It usually comes with a tear or two and/or a big crease. The address label usually comes off the cover pretty easily but there has always been damage of some sort since they stopped with the bags. The bags didn't always guarentee good condition either but it was much less frequently.

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Posted by tomkat-13 on Friday, December 29, 2006 1:53 PM
I have been on subsciption since 1981, and in that time I have had 3 or 4 magazines damaged and 1 that did not show at all. I called the toll free phone number at Model Railroader and each was replaced pronto! They have always been real nice when I call to re-new or just ask a question. In that time I have lived in 3 different houses and have had many different mail carriers. I now have a roadside mailbox and the mail carrier just puts his arm out into my box. You cannot hold MR resposable for your mail problems, you need to work it out with the USPS.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 29, 2006 1:59 PM

Not sure I would want a postal mail carrier I had gotten in trouble coming up to my door..............Banged Head [banghead]

 

 bpickering wrote:

 stuinstra wrote:
I dont have problems with my delivery.  Maybe you could talk to your mail carrier about keeping your stuff dry while giving them a $10 tip for the New Year.  You might be surprised at the response you'll get.

And if that doesn't work, go to the post office and ask to speak to a manager. I have had such problems for some time, finally culminating with a package being forceably bent to fit in our mailbox. (The sender's comment was that the mail-carrier must have been a gorilla to even bend it, much less the intelligence to consider DOING such). The manager agreed that it was unreasonable, and had a talk with the carrier. It happened again the next day, so back I went to the P.O. Manager agreed again... even acted somewhat embarrassed.

Carrier came up to our door to apologize the next day, he had been on vacation for a couple of weeks, and apparently the replacement had a bunch of complaints.

The point is that they do eventually listen.

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Posted by grayfox1119 on Friday, December 29, 2006 2:51 PM
Mine arrive safe and sound. Of course the mail carrier comes in a rural mail truck, and walsk about 5 feet to the mailbox, so little chance of any damage, and there never has been any. I think you have a local problem.
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Posted by jecorbett on Friday, December 29, 2006 3:13 PM
Not a problem for me. I have rural delivery and my mail goes right from the car window into the mail box. I live almost an hour from my LHS so this is much more convenient.
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Posted by cacole on Friday, December 29, 2006 3:17 PM

They may have done away with the plastic bags because of problems with mail sorting machines.  A friend of mine is retired from the U.S. Postal Service, where he was one of the technicians who installed, adjusted, and repaired sorting machines in Phoenix, Arizona.  He says they had all manner of problems with plastic bags getting caught in the machines and causing their contents to get mangled.

One day, I received a small plastic bag containing a few shredded remnants of a magazine cover, together with a note from the postal service that it had gotten caught in a mail sorting machine in Phoenix.  They sent me the pieces that could be recovered, together with a badly mangled address label, and suggested that I contact the publisher and request a replacement copy.

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Posted by simon1966 on Friday, December 29, 2006 3:31 PM
If I recall correctly they did away with the plastic bag when they switched to a new mailing method.  My understanding is that MRRer now uses a presort method where the magazines are not sent all  the way in the mail, but drop shipped in bulk to the local sort office in each area for each Zip code.  In that way they are only in the mail system for the final delivery to your address.  Since they switched to this method I have had just one magazine arrive torn. An e-mail to the "damaged mag" address on the web site got me a replacment in no time.

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Posted by dbradley on Friday, December 29, 2006 3:34 PM

I too like to buy my MR at the LHS, it supports the shop and at the same time gives me a chance to snoop around the new equipment, and visit with the owner. I can understand that accounting would find it much easier to control circulation, on the other hand maybe the repport might be just as important. I have never had a subscription, but I have bought the magazine faithfully since I got out of the Army in 1969. I also appreciate this forum, you guys are great, (although sometimes I think you would argue about the color of an orange) I do miss some of the extras, such as sound and videos. Thanks for listening.

2 cents too much.

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Posted by Midnight Railroader on Friday, December 29, 2006 3:53 PM
I have subscribed to MR for 20+ years and can only recall having gotten mangled copy, which was replaced. Recently, they have been coming in plastic bags again, too. No complaints.
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Posted by tomikawaTT on Friday, December 29, 2006 4:16 PM
 fritzvb wrote:

I love the magazine and I buy a copy every month, usually at Meijer's. The LHS's never order enough. Sure I pay more this way than if I subscribed. On the other hand, after years of receiving tattered, shredded, soiled and rain soaked expensive magazines I've decided I'd rather pay more for a still legible product. I once watched our mail carrier walking toward the house in the rain. She was garbed completely in rain proof clothing.....except for her left hand, which gripping our stack of mail, was fully extended into a pouring down rain.

Anyone else have this sort of problem?

FritzvB

Not since I started renting a box at the local branch post office, back when I was a newly-married Air Force two-striper.

Since then I've had apartments with mail boxes the size of shirt pockets, a rural mail box 250 yards down a dirt road from the house, and, finally, those ganged things on a post that can be stolen intact by anyone with a pickup truck and a chain.  They all had one thing in common - nothing more important than pizza coupons were ever delivered to any of them.  In the meantime all of my 'real' mail has never had to venture into the weather and was delivered to my  box in pristine condition.

To my way of thinking, it's worth $75 a year to keep my bank and credit card statements secure from identity thieves.  Getting undamaged magazines and catalogs is just a bonus.  My 2 cents [2c]

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Posted by CNJ831 on Friday, December 29, 2006 4:35 PM

The MR mailing situation has had its ups and downs in my case. I have rural delivery, with a box out at the street. When MR came in plastic bags I never had a single one damaged over many years. When they switched over to the newer bulks shipping with the mags loose, the mags initially took an extra week to arrive! The first three of the issues under the new system were so severely damaged they had to be replaced. However, it's gotten better with time and the arrival schedule has returned to normal. Likewise, I've had only a further few with minor damage - largely when there happens to be a lot of mail being delivered.

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Posted by wjstix on Friday, December 29, 2006 4:44 PM
I used to like it when MR came in a "plain brown envelope" back in the seventies.
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Posted by jeffshultz on Friday, December 29, 2006 4:58 PM
My only problem has been convincing the post office that they need to impress upon the carriers the importance of actually getting the mailbox door _shut_ when the weather is... well, typical for Oregon.
 
They seem to be doing better lately.  
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Posted by selector on Friday, December 29, 2006 6:29 PM

 stuinstra wrote:
I dont have problems with my delivery.  Maybe you could talk to your mail carrier about keeping your stuff dry while giving them a $10 tip for the New Year.  You might be surprised at the response you'll get.

Good psychology, but poor ethics.  Every civilization has had problems with authorities who proffer "fair" treatment once their palms have been greased.  If the mail carrier feels she is paid unfairly, she has a union who will champion her.  Otherwise, she should refuse to work when she feels that her salary is insufficient for her job description and terms of reference.

Seems to me she was looking to be paid for that day.

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Posted by selector on Friday, December 29, 2006 6:32 PM
I ordered Steam Glory 2 and it came, as have a couple of other similar Kalmbach orders, in plastic.  Maybe it is a requirement for delivery in Canada?
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 29, 2006 7:00 PM

My goodness what an exaggeration.... Two pounds of coffee to the mail lady now is the downfall of a civilization?  Sorry honey, no bottle of wine this Christmas, call the shop steward instead?

And people wonder why the lady does not get soaked in the pouring rain so the train mag the train mag publisher decided to save two cents on and took out of the plastic bag stays dry so Charle Choo Choo and not get a wet mag?? 

 

 

 selector wrote:

 stuinstra wrote:
I dont have problems with my delivery.  Maybe you could talk to your mail carrier about keeping your stuff dry while giving them a $10 tip for the New Year.  You might be surprised at the response you'll get.

Good psychology, but poor ethics.  Every civilization has had problems with authorities who proffer "fair" treatment once their palms have been greased.  If the mail carrier feels she is paid unfairly, she has a union who will champion her.  Otherwise, she should refuse to work when she feels that her salary is insufficient for her job description and terms of reference.

Seems to me she was looking to be paid for that day.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 29, 2006 7:02 PM

Give the mailman a few pounds of good coffee and that door will somehow find itself closed everytime!

 

 jeffshultz wrote:

My only problem has been convincing the post office that they need to impress upon the carriers the importance of actually getting the mailbox door _shut_ when the weather is... well, typical for Oregon.
They seem to be doing better lately.  
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Posted by Angel_of_Mercy on Friday, December 29, 2006 7:33 PM
 selector wrote:

 stuinstra wrote:
I dont have problems with my delivery.  Maybe you could talk to your mail carrier about keeping your stuff dry while giving them a $10 tip for the New Year.  You might be surprised at the response you'll get.

Good psychology, but poor ethics.  Every civilization has had problems with authorities who proffer "fair" treatment once their palms have been greased.  If the mail carrier feels she is paid unfairly, she has a union who will champion her.  Otherwise, she should refuse to work when she feels that her salary is insufficient for her job description and terms of reference.

Seems to me she was looking to be paid for that day.

Also it's illeagal post carriers can and will be fired for taking bribes, also i worked in a mail distrabution center and have seen thing you wouldn't believe Mail litters the floor and people just walk over it, there are those that take there job seriously and thoes that don't
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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Friday, December 29, 2006 7:44 PM

Mine arrives in pretty good shape just one fold in the middle, but not creased - sort of a roll.  We have a Post Office installed 12 compartment box at the curb.  The mailman just motors up, opens the big door with his key, puts the mail in each slot. We each have a key to the little door for our individual compartment.  Works fine and I seldom have a tear in any of my 7 magazines that don't have an envelope.

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Posted by betamax on Friday, December 29, 2006 8:59 PM

 selector wrote:
I ordered Steam Glory 2 and it came, as have a couple of other similar Kalmbach orders, in plastic.  Maybe it is a requirement for delivery in Canada?

 

I do believe the reason for that is that DHL looks after the distribution, packaging them in Mississauga and dropping them at the postal plant.

Basically they come in bulk across the border, and are repackaged for distribution.

I got a replacement issue from the US, and it came in a plain brown envolope (with the MR masthead in the upper left corner...) instead of the plastic bag with an address insert.

 

 

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Posted by markpierce on Friday, December 29, 2006 10:51 PM

I wish the Magazine came wrapped, either in a paper envelope or clear wrap.  While not usually damaged significantly, the magazines feel used when I receive them.  I'd rather pay a dollar or two more a year and get pristine magazines.

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Posted by bsteel4065 on Saturday, December 30, 2006 3:44 AM
Wow! I never thought that being a 'foreigner' would be an advantage! I can't be part of the MR Sweepstake because I live in the UK and not in the US, but because MR travels all this way to me, it comes pristine and unfolded in a secure plastic bag. All my MR mags are perfect! (I also seem to get them earlier than the US.) Thank you MR. Cool [8D] 
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Posted by n2mopac on Saturday, December 30, 2006 9:05 AM

I've been subscribing to MR for over 10 years. They stopped putting them in plastic about 5 years ago, but in that time I've only had one arrive with any damage. In that one case I called Kalmbach and they sent me a replacement in an envelope free of charge.

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