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Trivia - How Did U.S. Decide on Distance Between Rails?

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Monday, December 4, 2006 6:55 PM

The least unbelieveable excuse I've heard was that when George Stephenson was asked to engineer the tracks for the Stockton and Darlington, he started with the 56 inch gauge used at the colliery he was working for and eased it 1/2 inch to handle the longer wheelbases of the non-coal-bearing rolling stock.

That's no more ridiculous than many of the other reputed origins.  And, like the size standards of ladies' shoes and men's hats, it sounds more refined than a simple (and honest,) "D....d if I know!"  (Or care!)

Of course, my prototype runs on 1067mm gauge, not 1435.

Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 4, 2006 6:15 PM
 Neutrino wrote:

Oh no, not this again. (Offense intended.)

 

OK, offense taken.  Sorry guys, I did miss the last 10K times this came up.  I just thought it was interesting.  Didn't mean to be a pain in the neck.

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Posted by Stevert on Monday, December 4, 2006 6:09 PM

 Surfstud31 wrote:
The history channel said it comes from the distance between the wheels on a Roman chariot.  I never heard such a thing and I couldn't believe it!

 

Geez, I though everyone read all about this the last 10,000 times it came up.  Anyway, Snopes sums it up quite nicely, and has at least since the article was last updated in April 2001:

"This is one of those items that -- although wrong in many of its details — isn't exactly false in an overall sense and is perhaps more fairly labelled as "True, but for trivial and unremarkable reasons."

 and

"In other words, there was nothing inevitable about a railroad gauge supposedly traceable to the size of wheel ruts in Imperial Rome. Had the Civil War taken a different course, the eventual standard railroad gauge used throughout North America might well have been different than the current one."

 

See http://www.snopes.com/history/american/gauge.htm for the whole story.

 

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Posted by ProtoWeathering on Monday, December 4, 2006 6:07 PM

Oh no, not this again. (Offense intended.)

It's actually 11.3 packages of Kadee #5 coupler packs, laid end to end. And no, I don't know how somebody could have .3 pkgs of coupler packs. And yes, I heard about it on that channel between 152 and 153. 

Now, how many horn-hook couplers would it take, if they were horn-hooked end to end... Wait, you can't...

 

It really is a classic "form follows function" answer. It's what works best given the physics of the situation. 

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 4, 2006 6:05 PM
Selector, that's sort of what they said.  That we used the British width of rail and they got it from the roads which were designed originally for Roman chariots.  I found that hard to believe, though.
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Posted by Vail and Southwestern RR on Monday, December 4, 2006 6:05 PM

 Surfstud31 wrote:
The history channel said it comes from the distance between the wheels on a Roman chariot.  I never heard such a thing and I couldn't believe it!

In an indirect way, I'd say, sort of.  But only because the distance made sense and worked.  It makes sense that vehicles, whether on road or rail, were built to fit the propulsion system (horse, generally).  I'm inclined to think that the actual 4' 8.5" came about from some rails in England being laid with a 5 foot outside gauge, then someone figured out the flanges should be on the inside, and that was somewhere in the neighborhhood of the current standard.

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Posted by selector on Monday, December 4, 2006 6:02 PM

It is just as likely that it had something to do with the width of a real person's butt as that of a horse since no horses were meant to ride in the first locomotives or trains.  Or, if you don't buy that reasoning, it could have been something to do with the average distance between the insides of wheels in "standard" carriages using the roads at the time.  Maybe the original layers of track got a good deal on fence posts that were seven feet long, so they settled on 56.5" which left something near an even foot on either ends of the ties when the track was pinned.

The fact is that we are highly unlikely to have the real answer at this point.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 4, 2006 5:57 PM
The history channel said it comes from the distance between the wheels on a Roman chariot.  I never heard such a thing and I couldn't believe it!
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Posted by TomDiehl on Monday, December 4, 2006 5:54 PM

What we know as standard gauge was established in the bill to build the transcontinental railroad. There's been much debate (and no definitive answer) as to how they came up with such an odd figure.

And no, it hasnothing to do with the width of a horse's butt. Although that's a colorful story, it has no basis in fact.

Smile, it makes people wonder what you're up to. Chief of Sanitation; Clowntown
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Posted by csmith9474 on Monday, December 4, 2006 5:43 PM
Oh no, not this again (no offense intended towards OP).
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Trivia - How Did U.S. Decide on Distance Between Rails?
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 4, 2006 5:40 PM
I just heard this on the history channel and couldn't believe it.  The question is, how did U.S. railroads decide on the standard distance of 4' 8 1/2" between rails?

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