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"Hole Appears in Main Street - Police Are Looking Into It"

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Posted by jeffshultz on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 5:04 PM
Um, maybe - a Hogger is railroad slang for an engineer.

Salem, OR had a water main (and I mean main) break a couple years back - some of the local businesses are below street level and apparently they were flooded in seconds flat.

I imagine that with a sinkhole you'd see a lot of conduit pipes, probably some of which are broken at one or both ends, leaving the broken pipe at the bottom, and maybe some free hanging cables running across it as well. Unless it's at or very near an intersection, most of it will likely be going in the same direction as the street, with some pipes coming out from one side or the other to hook into the main pipes (think water and sewer (ick!) drops).
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Posted by Ibflattop on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 3:20 PM
Hey a Hoggie is a guy that works for the railroad that moves and services a engine in a yard.  Kevin
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Posted by modelmaker51 on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 2:40 PM

Silverspike: It's hoagie not hoggie. Subs (short for submarine-sandwhich because of their shape) are generally 12" long.

And as I remember Beriliners, they were jelly-filled dougnuts sprinkled with sugar, (I lived in Germany for 25 years).

About 20 years ago , they resurfaced our main street in Glens Falls,NY, (aka "Hometown, USA" during WW II - made it into Life magazine).

They scraped off the asphalt, (about 12"), down to the original yellow brick pavement which still had streetcar tracks embedded in it. The car barn for one of the trolly companies still stands on a nearby street, (it's now an office furniture store). The streetcars were gone here by the late forties.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:58 PM

In a short answer to your question, yes and no. Depending on how modern the industrial district is, electric and phone lines may still  be on poles. Concrete pipes for storm sewers and even sewers, water maybe in old clay pipes or steel, gas in steel, red pipe would come from older buildings as sewer lines.

Some districs had an alley behind the whole block, so electric and phone lines were in back.

Streets could be quite thick as asphalt/blacktop covered old concrete or cobblestone/ brick paving and even covered up old trolley tracks and rail sidings if they were nearby.

A sinkhole could be done by digging out about a half inch deep by one inch wide hole and partially submerge a car in it, add muddy colored resin water or thin plaster, paint muddy color and coat with varnish. Just bury half the car,

A gas leak would involve gas company trucks, utility boxed pick ups, utility boxed ton and a halves, a back hoe, and at least ten supervisors. If it's a large leak, add firetrucks, emt vehicles, and police.

 Telescoping utility trucks (electric and phone have been around since at least sixties.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:21 PM

Also known as a "Hero" in the New York City area, and purveyed at "Subway" and "Quisnos". One for dietary reasons with less FAT and the other for more meat. Hmm strange names for the same things!

How about "Dr. Strangelove's Famous Snake Bite Oil" factory!

 

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Posted by SilverSpike on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:53 AM

Yes, a sub is a sandwich made with bread similar to a French baguette!

Other names for this popular type of sandwich are:

Grinder / Po-Boy / Submarine / Hoggie

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Posted by Dave-the-Train on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:46 AM

 rrebell wrote:
Strangeloves could be a sub shop as in some parts of the country subs are called bombs!!!!

Confused [%-)] Um! Confused [%-)]

Now I need another explanation...

What's a sub?  Is it a huge filled bread roll like a baguette?  If so, would it have been around in the 80s or is it one of these modern new-fangled things?  OR?

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Posted by rrebell on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:16 AM
 Dave-the-Train wrote:

For the benefit of those that appreciate the full meaning of JFK's speach in Berlin I'm planning a doughnut stand called "Kennedy's" with a whole queue of black-and-whites lined up...

For those that need to have it explained to them like I did a "Berliner" is not a resident of Berlin but a German ring doughnut... with nothing in the middle.

Nothing especially political... I just love irony.

For those of you who love the films of that era I am also having "Kissoff's"... either a dentist or surplus military store - haven't decided yet.  I can't figure out what business  "Strangelove" would be in... an MD doesn't get a big enough sign.

Strangeloves could be a sub shop as in some parts of the country subs are called bombs!!!!
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Posted by Dave-the-Train on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:27 AM

For the benefit of those that appreciate the full meaning of JFK's speach in Berlin I'm planning a doughnut stand called "Kennedy's" with a whole queue of black-and-whites lined up...

For those that need to have it explained to them like I did a "Berliner" is not a resident of Berlin but a German ring doughnut... with nothing in the middle.

Nothing especially political... I just love irony.

For those of you who love the films of that era I am also having "Kissoff's"... either a dentist or surplus military store - haven't decided yet.  I can't figure out what business  "Strangelove" would be in... an MD doesn't get a big enough sign.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:10 AM

If the Police are "looking into it" there could be doughnuts down there, or perhaps the Mercedes. In cities like New York, Chicago, Cleveland, Los Angles, Boston,etc., there could be some form of "commuter" rail service - subway, rapid transit. Probably a wide variety of electric powered cars or locos. The balance of the "things" that you list could or would be possible.

You might try searching the Web for Boston's Big Dig, or New York's history of underground construction for some photos. A lot like box cars, there are too few pictures of the common every day things like that hole in the street. Who cared about those enough to snap a picture, when there was that pretty girl, big ship, new locomotive ready to be captured.

In June of 2001 my wife won a trip to Halifax from New York. Our biggest expense for the trip was film and development of pictures, my wife turned out to be the "japanese tourist" with a camera. Our cruise shp docked next to the Intrepid, complete with a Concorde on her deck. The morning of our return to New York she shot several pictures of the World Trade Center silhouetted against the rising sun. Less that three months later the "importance" of those photos changed so much.

Good luck on your "quest"!

 

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Posted by jecorbett on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:37 AM
About 20 years ago in Columbus, OH, there was a giant sink hole that formed on Broad St, the main east/west street through downtown. It swallowed up a Mercedes. Fortunately, the driver was uninjured. It made national headlines. If you can find a picture of that, it might help.
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Posted by scole100 on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:31 AM
I used to be a city employee. I got to see several water main breaks. They cause a real mess, buy the water usually bubles up, not sprays up. The only real geyser that I saw was when a car accident sheared off a fire hydrant. That was quite a show.

I would model it with a clear plastic dowel and water effects from woodland scenics. Also I bet some cool effects could be made from fiber optic strands. Lots of those around for Christmas.
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"Hole Appears in Main Street - Police Are Looking Into It"
Posted by Dave-the-Train on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:53 AM

Some time back you all helped out with road works barriers and pots/flares... now I would like to look into the abyss.

In a 1980s city (a bit like Chicago / industrial district) what sort of hole-in-the-road am I going to find  (apart from all the pot holes) and what will be down there? 

  • Steel pipes?
  • Electric Cables?
  • Telephone Cables?
  • Concrete Pipes?
  • Brick Culverts?
  • Glazed (dark red) Pipes?
  • Gas pipes?

Does anyone have any pics or a link please?

How thick would the road be (well, it makes a change from "how wide...)?

If a gas leak could happen what service trucks would be around?

Now, getting really ambitious... if some clown has jack-hammered through a water pipe... how do I model water spraying upwards?

Why do any easy scene when you can make life really hard work?

When did utility companies start having hydraulic booms (Hiabs) on their trucks?

Anyone got any other ideas?

TIA  Cool [8D]

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