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Posted by pcarrell on Friday, December 1, 2006 11:28 AM
Maybe you can find some ideas here on my track plans page.  http://s83.photobucket.com/albums/j319/pcarrell/Track%20Plans/
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Posted by Dave Vollmer on Friday, December 1, 2006 11:41 AM

 apartment railer wrote:
Oh and i am running code55 with 10'' turn..... i know i need bigger

If you can widen those turns to say 12" or better, you'll be in good shape.  I use a 13.75" minimum on my layout and I can run about anything.  That will mean rebuilding your table to have 3'-wide shelves instead of 2'.  I know that sounds like a pain, but it's "pay me now or pay me later."  If you can do it, you'll have much fewer problems in the long run.

Another option is doing a point-to-point layout on that existing shelf.  MR has a plan in January's issue for a 10'x12' point-to-point, but it's U-shaped.

Lastly, for carefree operation, I've heard nothing but good things about Kato Unitrack.  I'm wishing I'd gone that route myself.  The Code 55 is far more realistic, but if operations is your game and you don't mind somewhat oversized rails and ties, Unitrack is the most reliable stuff out there.  It comes with the roadbed and ballast, and the switch machines are hidden in the roadbed, so no need for under-the-table or bulky surface-mounted machines.  Plus, over on Trainboard's N scale forum, they've shown how good you can make Unitrack look with a little paint and ballast.  It looks at least as good as the Atlas Code 80, if not better.

Anyway, best of luck and welcome!

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Posted by apartment railer on Friday, December 1, 2006 12:15 PM
hey guys thanks for the quick reply. I will plan on adding to end 3' squares to get my loops to a turnable diameter! Second I have a good bit of code55 from atlas already. so I would stick that route. Yard size has always been a problem for me. what is a good size? I would like to  build trains nothing too big like 12 to 20 cars max, with a few run arounds and a service spot.
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Posted by Cooperbrad on Friday, December 1, 2006 12:45 PM

Hello,

I am just moving to N-scale. I have a 4'X6' space and I'm doing my first layout. Looking for some help on a couple of questions:

1) In previous HO scale I made the radius too small and had all sorts of problems. Any recommendations for minimum radius. I see something on the order of 14" for main line, but I have a couple of turns into industries that are more like 9" radius. Will I be forever unhappy with this?

2) Any links/books on painting your own locomotives? I'd like to paint up a special locomotive with my kids names on them (3 boys ages 9,8,6).

3) Any idea where I can get decals made up (I have a logo for the 3 boys I did in power point) and I'm looking to have it shrunk down enough to print as a scale sign for the layout and maybe add to the locomotive as a decal.

 Thanks 

 

 

 

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Posted by Dave Vollmer on Friday, December 1, 2006 12:51 PM

Cooperbrad,

I can help you with the first question, anyway...  14" is a good mainline minimum (it's like 26-28" in HO).  9" is tight...  As long as you use short 40'-50' cars and 4-axle diesels or no more than 6-drivered steam, you might be OK.  I would recommend (just my opinion) maybe sacrifiing an industry or two to avoid those sharp turns.  Or, if you can get them out to 11" you should be fine.

 And Sign - Welcome [#welcome]!

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Posted by Dave Vollmer on Friday, December 1, 2006 7:09 PM

Any other N-scalers getting tired of Accumate couplers falling apart?

Angry [:(!]

In one wayfreight tonight I had two Accumate couplers go afoul.  One was on an Atlas hopper and the other on an Intermountain boxcar.  Fortunately, I was able to snap the draft gear box back in and keep them together.  Both happened on back-up moves as my sons and I were switching industries in Lewisport.

With N-scale Accumate, it seems if it's not the draft gear box popping open, it's the darned trip pin falling out.

Is it just me? 

Question [?]

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Posted by nscaler711 on Friday, December 1, 2006 10:41 PM
i know exactly how u feel Dave accumate makes great looking knuckle couplers but they sometimes u get a "broken knuckle" (it means they fall apart)................do any of you n scalers out there have bachmann amfleet coaches w/o diaphragms? if so are you tired of the rapido style couplers failing? b/c i have a solution to fix it. http://www.wholesaletrains.com/Detail.asp?ID=20015176 this is one of three that i have. mine look exactly like this one but mine had long shank rapido style couplers. to stop them from from failing i near permantly connected them all together like a train set. i'll look for pictures of how i did it cause explaing it will be like trying to see the forest through the trees

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Posted by Blue Flamer on Friday, December 1, 2006 11:26 PM

Dave.

I thought that it was just me that was having a problem with Accumate couplers falling apart. I had three cars with these pieces of [censored] installed on them. The first time that I put them on the track, one coupler on each of two of the cars fell apart the first time that they were coupled together.

Needless to say, they were relegated to the scrap heap as soon as I could put REAL couplers (read Micro-Trains) on the cars. I do not have any more problems with couplers falling apart.

I would also like to extend my thanks to you for starting "The "N" Crowd".Wink [;)]

 

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Posted by Dave Vollmer on Saturday, December 2, 2006 6:48 AM
I hear you.  My Bowser Pennsy GLa hoppers came with Accumate trucks and couplers.  Two had fallen apart in the box (I mean, c'mon!) and the others proved they couldn't hold up in coal drag service.  They were promptly replaced with MT bettendorf trucks with short shank couplers.  Now they're star runners.

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Posted by Chuck Geiger on Saturday, December 2, 2006 11:40 AM

Thought I was going to miss HO. Not so - Here's work on my two-week old layout - SP Fresno District:

 

 

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Posted by Dave Vollmer on Saturday, December 2, 2006 1:12 PM
Great work, Chuck!

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Posted by pcarrell on Saturday, December 2, 2006 3:52 PM
That's good stuff there chuck.  Where'd you get the photo backdrop?
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Posted by bnsfncoal on Saturday, December 2, 2006 5:33 PM
I s it just me or does it seem like we N scalers have to find "tricks" to make some things work the way they are supposed to? Ballasting track looks simple on an HO video but it seems like we have to add about ten more steps to make those itty bitty rocks stay where we want them. I can't be the only one who thinks that the MR staff should do some "how to's" in N scale, their video equipment I'm sure is more than able to focus on our great scale!Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by NS2591 on Saturday, December 2, 2006 7:44 PM

As far as accumates go they're not too bad IMO. most of my rolling stock has come equiped with them(except for the kato and MT cars)And they seem to run fine. I've killed a MT coupler when my dad droped my autorack, also killed one a year or so ago, when a couple bethgons got to meet the floor. the only problem I've had so far (except the trip pins falling out) is one of them sticks open. But other than that I havn't had any problems with them. I do plan to replace them with MT couplers when I get the time, but I've been focusing on getting track and rolling stock. The big thing I have to do before my fleet gets much bigger is get some decoders. I do think that MR needs to run some more N scale stuff too

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Posted by Chuck Geiger on Saturday, December 2, 2006 8:47 PM

Phil:

Digital photos on a weekend outing. Just cut them out and rubbert cement them to the backdrop.

 

 

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Posted by pcarrell on Saturday, December 2, 2006 8:54 PM
 Chuck Geiger wrote:

Phil:

Digital photos on a weekend outing. Just cut them out and rubbert cement them to the backdrop.

They look great.  I may have to look into that.  I've been toying with the idea of a photo backdrop for my new layout.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 2, 2006 10:11 PM

The saying is "there is no stupid question." So here is my not so stupid question. What is the best way to apply dry transfer decals? I'm old school - give me the wet decals and I'm happy.

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Posted by jackwade on Saturday, December 2, 2006 10:16 PM

Hello All

 Just discovered this forum and so far looks good. I have a few questions hopefully someone can help me out with.

First about unitrack, it looks easy to use but I am wondering about the noise level with it. I have always used cork roadbed and flex track but with the handicap I now have taking the time to lay it is difficult. Also is unitrack and ez track basically the same?

Been an N scaler for about 30 years and would like to get another layout up and running is a relativly (sp) short time. I have a 10x10 room available with benchwork already in place with a 3 foot depth all around. Would like to use the atlas turntable I have now.

Any info would be appreciated.

 

Jack

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 2, 2006 10:36 PM
Hi Jack, If noise is a problen use a product called "homasote" for your layout base. It's made from recycled paper and does not transmit noise. I use it with no track bed of any type. Being that it's made from paper you can push your track nails easily into it. I use a modified nail set to push in the nails. Just file the end so a track nail just sets in the cup area of the nail set. I paint it dark tan  before I start laying rail. Being that color you can use less groung cover.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 2, 2006 10:45 PM
I need to know which of the model railroad magazines is best. I don't care about product rewievs. I want one thats is mostly DIY project related (layout and electronics.)
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Posted by dragenrider on Sunday, December 3, 2006 12:43 AM

Hi, folks!  Is there room for one more "polyscaler" on here?  I model HO primarily, but after reading this discussion thread and browsing several new hobby shops, I'm trying N scale once more.  This is the first step of my new layout:

It is a simple 3 foot x 7 foot rectangle which will feature a folded dogbone style track design.  I'm not going to build anything complicated here.  I'm mainly wanting to try some mountain scenery and bridges to see how they turn out in N scale.  Like my HO scale layout, this one is based in the Ozark Mountains as well. 

Thanks for all the information which you've put into this thread.  I've learned a lot.  Bow [bow]

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Posted by nscaler711 on Sunday, December 3, 2006 3:01 AM
you know csxfan i own a p42 locomotive and it runs great sure is better than some of my other locomotives but it has a slight problem it tends to gets noisey around 75 scale mph but otherwise it an awsome loco from kato. kato did an very good job, like always.

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Posted by nscaler711 on Sunday, December 3, 2006 3:31 AM

do any of u n scalers model snow? i have the basics down and all i was wondering if you use baking soda for snow? it looks fine on my lil farm house but can you use it on loco's and rolling stock?  

 

 

also try putting a n-scale train set around the tree it looks cool actually. tiny tiny train chugging down the track beside a giant pine tree that is decorated with glimering globes of glass. its kinda cute ...i guess if u call a steam loco cute. too bad i dont have steamer Shock [:O] oh well instead im using a noisey little life like f40ph with 3 lighted bachmann amfleet coaches trailing behind. man it sure is noisey im sitting here listing to it unlike my other life like loco a CSX gp38-2 is quieter (noticably quieter) Smile [:)] too bad the LED's on my p42 mysterously burnt out otherwise it would be pulling the giant pine tree express. 

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Posted by pcarrell on Sunday, December 3, 2006 7:14 AM
 nscaler711 wrote:

do any of u n scalers model snow? i have the basics down and all i was wondering if you use baking soda for snow? it looks fine on my lil farm house but can you use it on loco's and rolling stock?

I asked a similar question a while back.  I leaned a ton from these guys.  Here's the thread. (I bookmarked it!)  http://www.trains.com/trccs/forums/898103/ShowPost.aspx

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Posted by Dave Vollmer on Sunday, December 3, 2006 7:46 AM
 Dewayne wrote:

The saying is "there is no stupid question." So here is my not so stupid question. What is the best way to apply dry transfer decals? I'm old school - give me the wet decals and I'm happy.

They make burnishing tools, but I use an old number 2 pencil with a dull "point."  Here's an example of dry transfers (on the Juniata Machine Tool Company):

More dry-transfers on the Berwind-White coal mine:

Good luck!

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Posted by Dave Vollmer on Sunday, December 3, 2006 7:49 AM

 Dewayne wrote:
I need to know which of the model railroad magazines is best. I don't care about product rewievs. I want one thats is mostly DIY project related (layout and electronics.)

The two I read regularly are Model Railroading and N Scale Railroading.

Railroad Model Craftsman is really good, too, if you're into scratchbuilding, kitbashing, and DIY.  There's a magazine called N Scale which apparently just went through a management change.  I get that one now and then when there's an article I'm after.

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Posted by jackwade on Sunday, December 3, 2006 8:26 AM

Dewayne

Thanks for the homosote tip. Knew that from way back but had completely forgotten about it. Looking at prices for unitrack and ez track there is a big price difference in them and that is why wondering if the same thing. does anybody know for sure?

Also wondering what would be the best DCC system to use. This would be a small layout using probably no more that 5 or 6 steam locos on it. Not looking to spend a fortune on it but something upgradable if I decide to use sound at a later date.

 

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Posted by pcarrell on Sunday, December 3, 2006 9:18 AM

Jack,

Another produt that works well for sound deadening as roadbed is topper tape.  It's the stuff you get at the auto parts store to put between a camper topper and a pickup truck bed.  It's foam rubber, adhesive backed, and cheap.

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Posted by jackwade on Sunday, December 3, 2006 4:10 PM

pcarrell

Thats an idea I would never thought of, going to have to check that out if I go the unitrack or eztrack route. Thanks

 

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Posted by Chuck Geiger on Sunday, December 3, 2006 4:21 PM

Dave:

You should contact the MR IT department and ask them to start an N Scale Forum! - They could do this easily and make it a scale division under MR Forum. This is great and your modeling is superb.

 

 

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