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Posted by Phoebe Vet on Monday, November 12, 2007 4:55 PM
I have a more traditional model layout that fills a two car garage, but I also have 3 grandchildren, so Thomas and Hogwart's Express (both converted to DCC) live in my staging yard and are welcome to operate in my little world when the request is made.

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Posted by lvanhen on Monday, November 12, 2007 4:33 PM
 Fcerney wrote:

Bump for an OLD thread...

 

I love THOMAS. I wanted to Build a repro of the Tank from the Show.

Im told they are based on O Scale cars. Anyone have any idea which ones?

 

Frank 

 

http://www.pegnsean.net/~railwayseries/ffarquhar.htm will get you to the original layout!!  It will tell you all you want about Sodor, Thomas, Sir Topemhat, etc!!Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 12, 2007 2:58 PM
I used to love the whole thing when I was little, and I never thought of modeling it. Thumbs Up [tup]I think it's fine that you model it, can't wait to see photos of your layout. Do you have a site for it?
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Posted by Walter Clot on Monday, November 12, 2007 11:54 AM

Anything that gets dad and son doing something together is GREAT! Bow [bow] We have lots of "Thomas" the wooden railroad around.  After watching (and operating, if old enough) the grandkids like to go into the next room and "run Thomas the wooden RR).  They always say, "Granaddad play with us."  So I sit on the floor and help them.Smile [:)]

I bet the LHS guys don't laugh at you when they go to the bank with your money.Whistling [:-^] 

BTW if its so "uncool" to buy it at the LHS, why do they sell it?Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Keep up the good work with your son.  You will never be sorry you did!Angel [angel]

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Posted by Trekkie on Monday, November 12, 2007 11:28 AM
There are models available in O, HO, and N scale.

O is available from Lionel. They have a few expansion kits with cars, and Thomas, Percy, James, and Diesel.

HO is available from Bachmann. They have the largest offering of Thomas themed both engines & decorations. Cranky the Crane, Bertie the Bus, and a number of engines. Thomas, Percy, James, Gordon, Henry, Spencer, and I think Mavis & Toby are out and Emily was 'coming soon' last time I looked.

N Scale is lightly represented by Tomix, but is very hard to find here in the states. I found them on eBay. The only engines are Henry, Percy, Thomas and James. Gordon is rumored on some sites but it has been a year now and I've not seen him, much to my disappointment. There are a few trucks available.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 12, 2007 11:10 AM

Bump for an OLD thread...

 

I love THOMAS. I wanted to Build a repro of the Tank from the Show.

Im told they are based on O Scale cars. Anyone have any idea which ones?

 

Frank 

 

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Posted by Trekkie on Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:32 PM
I've got the Tomix Thomas & Friends. Right now there is Percy, James, Henry, and Thomas with some cars. Hoping Gordon shows up, as well as Toby.

If you're picking up the HO Bachmann sets my LHS has a great step by step on how they installed a decoder here at Trainbuddy.

They'll even do em for you and mail em too you. Not bad if you suck at soldering small things like I do. He's currently putting an M1 in my N-scale ones.
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Posted by ghonz711 on Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:01 PM

Thomas the Tank Engine got me into the hobby years ago when I was probably 2 or 3.  Now I'm 15 and I model the Canadian National Railway in HO Scale, but whenever I am at my little cousin's house, I can't wait to play with him with my old Thomas wooden trains.  I remember countless times I would walk into a toy store with my mom begging her to buy me another train car, or piece of track, and she'd always say, "Don't you think you have enough?" NEVER! Why would between 50 and 75 trains and countless pieces of track be ENOUGH Tongue [:P] Now all of that is with my cousin, and at four and a half years old, he is starting to really enjoy them, along with all of my Thomas Videos!  I'm just glad that Thomas was around, mind you, my parents aren't too thrilled that I keep on begging them for much more expensive HO scale locomotives and cars todayBig Smile [:D].  I'm sure they wish I still preferred Thomas!

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Posted by simon1966 on Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:05 PM
Based on the photo and the instructions for decoder installation on the TCS web site http://www.tcsdcc.com/decoderpics/thomas/Thomas.htm  I would say no.

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Posted by Lillen on Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:59 PM

Do the Bachmann Thomas come with DCC or a DCC plug?

 

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Posted by MidlandPacific on Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:04 AM

I think anything you can do with your children is great (I mean, maybe not ANYTHING, but you know, anything wholesome.  I wouldn't recommend daisy-chaining M-80s in the mailboxes on your street, for example.  At least, not until he's a teenager).  Some of my happiest childhood memories are of the time my dad devoted to railfanning.  I don't think he had much interest in it, but I did, and he was perfectly willing to stand at trackside for an hour or two at a time, if I wanted to.  That's what parenting is all about. 

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Posted by JFdez on Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:26 AM

Trevor,

I truly respect what you're doing.  Given the large amount of available materials (books, videos, etc), the possibilities for Sodor layouts, whether "rivet-counting" accurate or wildly free-lanced, are endless. 

I would note that one of the best club layout I've ever seen was an adult-built, adult-run Sodor layout at no less than a National Train Show (Kansas City, more than a few years ago).  They built and "populated" this layout before Bachmann released their Thomas product line. 

Go forth and have fun!  Better yet, give the layout a "new coat of paint." Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

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Posted by Metro Red Line on Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:39 AM
If you make your Sodor "prototypical" - as in faithful to the videos/TV show, then you have all my respect.
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Posted by loathar on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:36 PM
I've got a BIG problem with Thomas! It's on at the same time as Trains and Locomotives so I have to keep flipping back and forth!Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by lvanhen on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 7:51 PM

Repost:  Here is a link to the original Thomas layout

http://www.pegnsean.net/~railwayseries/ffarquhar.htm

lots of great info!Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by richg1998 on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:24 PM

Hi Trevor

I to am a family man but never any sons. Do a Yahoo or Google search for "thomas and friends" or "thomas the train". You will find may links of interest for you and your sons.

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Posted by Pathfinder on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:08 PM
 richg1998 wrote:

Generally society does not like people who choose to be different.

Go to

http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/index.php

and click on the Bach-man forums. There is a catagory for Thomas & Friends.

You will have to copy & paste the URL. Someone told me how to set it as a hyper link but I lost the message. In these forums it is not  intuitively obvious on making a hyper link like it is in other forums. My stepson who is a programmer for many years has told me more than once, the geeks have won. Deal with it.


rich 

http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/index.php

That should get you there  Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

And here is a direct link to the Thomas part of the Bach-Man

http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=f76f7ca8e57a7659773572305c1f8c30&board=4.0

 

 

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Posted by richg1998 on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:59 PM

Generally society does not like people who choose to be different.

Go to

http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/index.php

and click on the Bach-man forums. There is a catagory for Thomas & Friends.

You will have to copy & paste the URL. Someone told me how to set it as a hyper link but I lost the message. In these forums it is not  intuitively obvious on making a hyper link like it is in other forums. My stepson who is a programmer for many years has told me more than once, the geeks have won. Deal with it.


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Posted by gp30 on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 12:47 PM

 Hi Was at a train show recently and a guy there had a small Thomas layout it was one of the more popular layouts with children and adults. It's your dollar remind the lhs of that.

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Posted by simon1966 on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:27 AM

Hi Mac-Daddy, welcome out of lurk mode!

 

My first suggestion for getting off on the right track is for you to start a new thread with your questions.  You will get far more response than tacking on to the end of an old multi-page thread like this.

The idea of modelling Sodor is appealing, especially with young children, and there is nothing wrong in wanting to do that.  However, I have 2 boys, now 7 and 9 and while they love trains Thomas has long since stopped being of interest to them.  If you are going to put resources, time and effort into a layout keep an eye on the future and be able to shift away from the Thomas theme as your son inevitably grows out of it.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:52 AM

First post (after considerable lurking)

I just nabbed a bachmann digital commander twin diesel set for my almost 4 yr old crumbsnatcher (at least that's what I am telling the wife). I was thinking of a mini Sodor layout and then got more interested with the DCC conversions. The box is still wrapped up, but I am starting to learn more and more about DCC. I haven't been on model RRing since the late 70s. I believe I had a Tycho HO set, I just have a gondola car without trucks left over in my old stash of junk around the grandparent's house.

In a nutshell, I feel somewhat intimidated with the new train technology and the 'purists' who model after actual lines.  Any suggestions on getting off on the right track, pun intended?

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Posted by Train Master on Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:49 PM
dude, dont let anyone tell you what yu can or cant use because they dont like it. my freinds dont like the music i listen to but i listen to it anyways. i like 50 aand 60s rock. btw, im only 13 and like old rock. i also like thomas

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Posted by conrail92 on Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:40 PM
Persoanly I dont think that stange at all, the show itself is actualy entertaing if your a modeler yourself it might be even more, because of the scneray and things in the show.
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Posted by cruikshank on Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:28 PM

I just test ran my Bachmann HO Thomas.  I got the Deluxe set from a local Department store for $49.00  The engine surprised me and ran good out of the box, and great after a 1/2 hour burn it. His little shifty eyes even worked. Can run it slow with no problems.  I'm not as impressed by the EZ-Track.  Both Bachmann and Life-like make it in Steel Alloy and Nickle Silver.  Why in this day and age for the few cents difference do they still make steel track ?  I'm also very spoiled by Kato Unitrack.  I plan on Making an Island of Sodor layout and selling it to test the waters for such a thing.  Undecided as to whether I should keep the Bachmann track for such a venture or sell it and go with Kato or Atlas.  It ran ok on the carpet so it will probably do fine on ply and foam.  Just seems cheesey compared to Kato, but like I said I'm spoiled.  What has your out of box experience with Bachmann Thomas been ?  Thanks,  Dave

 

   Also I've never built a figure 8 layout in my life.  With the Bachmann 18" curves how many curves and what degree crossing does it take to make a figure 8 ?

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Posted by wjstix on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 11:00 AM
I'm just weighing in, new to the topic, so let me go back to the original post a bit.

The Thomas "boom" of recent years has been great for the hobby as far as I can see. Years ago kids got into trains thru Lionel or American Flyer or Marx, often building their first layout with their Dad - which often lead to a lifetime model railroad hobby for both of them !! Now it's Thomas that are getting the kids (and Dad's) working together. I know my 4-yr old granddaughter loves seeing my HO/OO Thomas on my layout, and has her own wooden / plastic trains of Thomas and Sodor.

I'm sure years ago some people at the LSHS (Local Serious Hobby Shop) snickered at adults buying Lionel or Am Flyer stuff for their family toy train layouts, but like I said above, a lot of those kids are now the "premier" scale modellers we look up to.

BTW - I'd love to see a sound equipped Thomas - even if some of the electronics had to go in an attached Annie or Clarabel !! Now with all the sound possibilities with the new generation of sound decoders, being able to have not only train sounds but a "talking Thomas" who could say hi to kids and a few other phrases would be fantastic !!

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Posted by BRVRR on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:23 AM

Thomas and his pals are the best thing to happen to model railroading in many years. The TV series, books and toy trains have garnered the interest of millions of potential model railroaders for the hobby.

In my experience, HO scale is large enough for little hands and fingers. I introduced my grandson to Thomas when he was 4-years old. He had no trouble putting the locomotive or rolling stock on the rails.

My grandson's interest in model railroading was ignited by Thomas and that interest continues today, 6-years later. He lives and breaths trains.

Thomas, Anne, and Carabelle still take an occasional tour of the BRVRR and probably will as long as there are little people around the house.

Build your layout. I have thought of the same thing myself. I still might do it if I ever get a place with enough room. Think of it. A seperate island with the Sodor Railway on it. Why not?

Good luck and have fun.

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Posted by lvanhen on Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:09 PM

chemung wrote the following post at 10-24-2006 6:47 PM:

Will the HO Thomas and two coaches make it around 15" radius? Thanks

Should be no problem - could probably make it on some trolley layouts!  Go ahead & buy the set!

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Posted by lvanhen on Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:06 PM

vsmith wrote the following post at 10-24-2006 11:59 AM:

Dont know if anyone posted this...
 
More than you ever want to know about Thomas and the Isleand of Sodor
 
 
Big Smile [:D]Great link!! Thanks!!
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Posted by chemung on Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:47 PM
Will the HO Thomas and two coaches make it around 15" radius? Thanks
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Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:59 AM
Dont know if anyone posted this...
 
More than you ever want to know about Thomas and the Isleand of Sodor
 
 
 

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Monday, October 23, 2006 9:06 PM
The troublesome trucks! Gotta love 'em.

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Posted by NeO6874 on Monday, October 23, 2006 8:46 PM
But most of the time the cause for that is the freight cars.... evil scheming freight cars....

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Posted by rtstasiak on Monday, October 23, 2006 8:40 PM
I always watched the Thomas episodes with my boys when they were young.  We were all amazed at the looks and performance of the UK prototypes, and I incorporated a number of Airfix and other items into my own US prototype HO model railroad.  The Thomas influence is still around because our seasonal G garden railroad is built around a wild collection of two axle engines and rolling stock with link and pin couplers. 

Thomas rules, except for when the wrecking cranes have to set him back down on the rails!

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 23, 2006 4:58 PM
You having fun, aren't you? That's the point of the hobby.
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Posted by jamesbaker on Saturday, October 21, 2006 6:08 PM
I tell you what. Every time I go into a hobby store I always look for Thomas stuff. I have not bought anything yet. Although I will be starting my collection soon.

I also know that I have bought my layout supplies and stocked up my rolling stock.  I have built and bought what "I" wanted no matter who says what!
My point is that I bought and built what I wanted and not what every one else wants.

YOU buy and build YOUR lay out.  Do as you wish, there is not limit to your rail road except those that you set.  Don't let any one else's opinion bother you man. Keep your head up and run your Thomas for all of us.

I would love to see more pictures of Thomas items.  Maybe some one should start and ALL Thomas Post!!! I know that others and my self would follow it daily.

Just my $.02
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Posted by cruikshank on Saturday, October 21, 2006 5:55 PM
Well I'm going to try to make some side money by building and selling Thomas layouts for Christmas.  So Last night I was searching the net for the Best price and got lucky.  A local Department Store in PA Boscov's has the Thomas Clarable and Annie Deluxe set on sale for $49.  That was cheaper than anywhere else I could find.  So I picked one up and some plywood and I'm going to give it a try.  If it was for Me I would have bought James becasue he was bright red and a freight set, but I thought The Kids really know Thomas, so I'll start there.  I'll keep you posted.  I got the ply in the miscut bin at Lowes for $4 so so far I'm keeping my cost low.   Dave
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Posted by daschilling on Saturday, October 21, 2006 4:48 PM

Like many others, I have a "model" layout, and may or may not ever run a "Thomas" on it.  It does not change that fact that "Thomas" has generated a huge amount of interest in model (or toy) railroading.  With the current trends in hobbies, ANYTHING Big Smile [:D] that helps promote model railroading as a hobby is good Thumbs Up [tup].  I have at least three grandchildren who are interested in having their own railroads, "Thomas" or otherwise, who probably wouldn't have given it a second thought without the influence of both "Thomas" and "Grandpa Choo-Choo's" layout.

At their ages, I put mixed freights out on the line with lots of flat cars so they can load them with things and run the trains around carrying their "freight."  Of course this might be considered sacrilege by "serious" modelers, but I've noticed a trend in the RR hobby magazines that you must "model" a particular prototype railroad as it was in one particular week of history, if not a single day, and exactly the exact trains, and sometimes, exact consists the prototype did, in order to be a serious railroad modeler.  Before we self-destruct of hobby, we should go back to "Model railroading is fun," even if MR and Kalbach publishing have abandoned th.ie idea.  Well I better get off my SoapBox [soapbox].

Good luck with Sodor, and I would like to see how anyone's model of Sodor turns out.  Approve [^]  Hey why not do it in "S" gauge! Cool [8D]

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Posted by bcawthon on Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:35 PM

I have followed this thread with interest as I have long thought it would be fun to build a Thomas layout. Not just for the kids, but for myself. Heresy? No. I'm 57 and I play with trains, just at a more advanced level than I could have when I was a little boy because I can now do all the things that I loved about grownup model railroads.

As can be seen from the responses, there are more than a few grownup model railroaders who like Thomas themselves. And why not? Let's face it; the "layout" built for the television series is really pretty nice and any layout is a fiction, no matter how beautifully rendered or how close to prototype it is. You are simply picking the world you want to create and, as long as it fulfills your dreams and makes you happy, one is as valid as another. A friend and I built a modular layout featuring a completely made-up Old West town preserved as a tourist trap. That layout also features a recreation of some of the scenery from "Jurassic Park" and the fishing village from the "Popeye" movie. We have a first place and third place award at the national level, a Con-Cor award and a fistful of blue ribbons from GATS, so I guess it was okay. 

The Railway series locomotives are based on real English locomotives and the author of the original series was a lifelong railfan with friends who worked for the railroads. There are plenty of opportunities for operation, as Thomas and his friends fulfill a variety of roles, from yard switching to pulling mixed consists and extras. And they run on a schedule and obey (most of the time) signals.

Of course, the Sodor Railway does have more accidents than any prototype railroad could have without being bankrupted by lawsuits (even in England) and replicating all those might prove a bit hard on the motive power and rolling stock, not to mention various structures, but one needn't follow everything seen on the shows.

So go for it. Whether you build your own Island of Sodor or just run Thomas on your existing trackage, more power to you.

As for those guys at the hobby shop, if they're not proud enough of the hobby to welcome all comers, maybe they're in the wrong hobby. And if they don't welcome all customers, they're definitely in the wrong business.

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Posted by Oakhurst Railroad Engineer on Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:28 AM

And don't forget the most popular "load" of all.  During the holiday season, I add an HO HO HO Santa Claus somewhere on the layout.  I move him around and the kids love to look for him ...

30 years from now the kids may not remember your perfect model of that 2-8-0 but they will remember Thomas and Santa ...

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Posted by John Busby on Saturday, October 21, 2006 7:49 AM

Thomas is very serious stuff.

If you don't believe me take a Thomas layout to a MRR Expo if you get it wrong the Kids will soon let you know all about it you can hear the knives being sharpened believe me.

As an aside Hornby now do a very nice range of "PROPPER" Thomas buildings that would look good on any UK model railway never mind a Thomas layout.

We are talking the new ones not the previous definitely toy ones.

Have fun and remember the kids will let you have it if you get it wrong

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Posted by twcenterprises on Saturday, October 21, 2006 2:23 AM

 rghammill wrote:
It's all about having fun. One of the most common 'loads' on my railroad is my daughter's Fisher Price Little People. Randy

Some "loads" that may be seen on my layout may include (but not limited to):

Hoppers filled with "gold" loads (actually iron pyrite, or "fools gold")

Hoppers or gons filled with various crystals, such as quartz

Hoppers filled with various colors of tiny "jewels", such as may be found in costume jewelry

Gons filled with candy (especially around the holidays)

Gons or flatcars hauling tools or supplies around the layout

Flatcars hauling my son's Hot Wheels or Matchbox cars (and tractor trailers)

And, on the G scale side, my daughter's Barbie dolls have been seen sightseeing in gons.

Canned soft drinks have been part of the "revenue tonnage" as have the empty cans

 

My model mining company ships various precious stone and metals, and they also handle a fair amount of coal, copper, silver and gold ores, granite (both slabs and gravel), and marble (including marble dust, which is used, at least on my RR, in the manufacture of cultured marble goods.)  I do run live loads of real coal in my hoppers for operating sessions, as well as real marble dust (more like a sand).  Sure, it weighs down the hoppers, as it does in real life, and the marble is quite dense, so one must load the cars short to prevent overloading, and care must be taken handling the loaded hoppers to avoid spillage, just as in real life.  I'm looking for some sort of stones or something with a coppery and silvery sheen or coloration to them, so I can load them as "smelted and processed ores".  I've seen silvery/greyish looking rounded stones, but I'm thinking more of a gravelly or nugget type texture.  Having various types and colors of loads in the hoppers may not be realistic, but it sure brightens up the yard.

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Posted by rghammill on Friday, October 20, 2006 10:10 PM
It's all about having fun. One of the most common 'loads' on my railroad is my daughter's Fisher Price Little People.

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Posted by Oakhurst Railroad Engineer on Friday, October 20, 2006 9:15 PM

Trevor,

I seriously model logging in the 20's in the Sierras in my Oakhurst Railroad.  However, I hide my Thomas the Tank Engine and Annie Coach in the engine house.  Kids usually let out a "wow" when they enter the room, but they do it again and usually say "Thomas!" when I roll him out for a quick spin.

I thoroughly enjoy watching the PBS show.  It is on in my area at 7 AM and 8 AM on Saturday.  Only the College Gameday show will make me miss Thomas on Saturday morning!

Keep on modeling Thomas and Friends ...

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Posted by lvanhen on Friday, October 20, 2006 8:43 PM

I got my grandson his first electric Thomas when he was about 5, a Hornby.  He has ADD and a few motorskill problems but LOVES trains.  He had no problems operating him (Thomas) and could put him on the tracks easier than my then 59 y/o hands could!  He's 10 now & I'm in the process of putting DCC chips in Thomas, James, & Percy - he loves the sound my other DCC units have.  You're right about the Atlas turntable, but the roundhouse is not a 1 hour assembly, and operational doors on it are problematic.  Bachmann makes Cranky and there are many other HO models that can be used with Thomas.  Toot Toot!!

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Friday, October 20, 2006 12:47 PM

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Posted by fwright on Friday, October 20, 2006 12:29 PM

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I'm glad I came upon this thread.  I was pondering building some small layouts based on Thomas, to try and sell for the holidays.  My Wife and I owned a portrait studio for 15 years and specialized in kids.  All of the little ones were crazy for Thomas.  I had to retire due to 4 back surgeries, so I'm in need of a project and income.  Her concern was that the little kids need the wooden Thomas because they would break the HO one.  What has been your experience on this ?  At what age can a kid play with an electrical train ?  Besides 45 which is my age. :)   Are the Bachmann's pretty reliable.  I'm an "N" scaler so I would love to build it in "N", but the Tomix "N" Thomas are about double a Bachmann in cost.  also I guess the little "N" would be hard for the tikes to play with.  I read on line that the center piece of the Island of Sodor is the Turntable and Roundhouse.  Do you all have those on your layouts.  I know the Atlas one is easy enough to use, but easy enough for a 5 year old ?  At what age does Thomas become Uncool to a kid ?  I know alot of questions, but this seems to be the place for answers.  Thanks alot in Advance.   Dave in Reading,  PA

More suitable for the younger kids would be the Lionel-size Thomas. And it would fit on the same size table as the HO.  But I don't know if it's still in production?  I know I bought mine (for the kids of course) about 5-6 years ago.

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Posted by cruikshank on Friday, October 20, 2006 11:54 AM
I'm glad I came upon this thread.  I was pondering building some small layouts based on Thomas, to try and sell for the holidays.  My Wife and I owned a portrait studio for 15 years and specialized in kids.  All of the little ones were crazy for Thomas.  I had to retire due to 4 back surgeries, so I'm in need of a project and income.  Her concern was that the little kids need the wooden Thomas because they would break the HO one.  What has been your experience on this ?  At what age can a kid play with an electrical train ?  Besides 45 which is my age. :)   Are the Bachmann's pretty reliable.  I'm an "N" scaler so I would love to build it in "N", but the Tomix "N" Thomas are about double a Bachmann in cost.  also I guess the little "N" would be hard for the tikes to play with.  I read on line that the center piece of the Island of Sodor is the Turntable and Roundhouse.  Do you all have those on your layouts.  I know the Atlas one is easy enough to use, but easy enough for a 5 year old ?  At what age does Thomas become Uncool to a kid ?  I know alot of questions, but this seems to be the place for answers.  Thanks alot in Advance.   Dave in Reading,  PA
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Posted by Tilden on Friday, October 20, 2006 10:39 AM

Chuck,

  You must remember that "Once there was a train that was afraid of a few drops of rain..."  So Henry has to work hard to be a useful engine. Laugh [(-D]

  Actually the last time we ran Henry he was pulling seven cars and a brake van up the grades and all with no problems.  Now that's useful. Laugh [(-D]

  The really important thing is, it's fun for the kids and hopefully an interest that will grow and they will enjoy the rest of their lives.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 20, 2006 9:35 AM
Maybe one day down the line, many many moons from now, I'll put on the top and tails and have an official Golden Spike, grand opening of the line.  I think my son would get a kick out of that.

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:26 PM

 TGG wrote:
I have converted Henry to DCC.  I had to do exactly as you noted here.  I used my Dremmel to carve out a small hollow for the motor and pickup wires to feed through.  I had to add extensions to the motor wires and made the connection to the decoder which sits inside the cab.  Henry works great, is a good fast puller, and very useful engine.

Trevor

"A very useful engine," eh?  Isn't that the Fat Director's line?  (Or Sir Topham Hatt's, if you are a tubeophile.)

How to tell that you're fully "Sodorized;" you change into a cutaway and top hat to operate your layout.

My take - Go for it!!!

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Posted by gear-jammer on Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:12 PM

We have Thomas, Percy and James under the tree at Christmas.  We are just big kids.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:37 PM

You know how it is, opinions are like noses. Everybody has one. Not all are positive. If they were, what a boring world this would be.

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Posted by lvanhen on Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:22 PM

CurtMc wrote the following post at 10-19-2006 7:25 PM:

Most train shop owners drive people out of the hobby with behavior like this

The good news is most are going out of business.


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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:34 PM
Some LHS owners can be real a**holes, and that's the truth of it. I've run across a few in my time.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:25 PM

Most train shop owners drive people out of the hobby with behavior like this

The good news is most are going out of business.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:47 PM
I had one wiper pickup out of place on Thomas after I had installed his decoder.  I think it might have been my doing.  Neither Percy nor Henry had an pickup issues thus far.

Thanks for the tipsBig Smile [:D].  My son is a speed demon, so I'm sure I'm going to have to watch his throttle speed...or else that look of surprise on Annie's face might actually be there for a reason!Laugh [(-D](that's an inside Thomas joke, as one of Thomas' coaches, named Annie, has an expression of surprise on her face)

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Posted by Tilden on Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:11 PM

Trevor,

  The two problems I've had with the Bachmann series locos are: 1) keeping the wiper pick-ups clean and adjusted, make sure the pick-ups make contact with the wheel at all times especially at the extremes of the side to side wheel play and alcohol wipes for dirt and lint.  2) Slowing Gordon and Henry down (limit the Top Voltage CV) so the little ones don't "fly" them off the layout. Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:28 PM
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Brian,

   If it's the Bachmann loco there are no DCC plugs, you have to hardwire the decoder.  The motor is isolated from the frame though so that's a help.  Also, you don't need the circuit board that's in there, remove it.  I think you'll find the color of the motor wires are the exact opposite of NMRA standard for DCC plugs.  In an overly energetic moment I replaced them, for looks.  Also, if you convert Henry, you might want to drill a hole through the metal frame to allow direct routing of the motor wires into the cab area.  This will avoid the wires being pinched when you slide the body back on.

  Don't know the layout of the Hornby loco's.

Tilden

I don't know who Brian is, and I went back through the thread...Confused [%-)]  At any rate, I have converted Henry to DCC.  I had to do exactly as you noted here.  I used my Dremmel to carve out a small hollow for the motor and pickup wires to feed through.  I had to add extensions to the motor wires and made the connection to the decoder which sits inside the cab.  Henry works great, is a good fast puller, and very useful engine.

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Posted by jwmurrayjr on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:39 PM

The "Avitar" speaks for itself.

Thomas is very popular with the grandkids (Girls, yet.)

Of course I don't care anything about the little DCC guy.

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:36 PM
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...In the museum restoration community "Thomas" is big Ju Ju. Often a visit by Thomas is the only thing that keeps the place in the black...

Yep, Thomas is definitely the rock star of the train world, the one who draws a crowd, the Cheetah Girls or [insert other latest teeny-bopper craze here]...

And you know what? Good! We've been a little too "Muzak" in this hobby for a little too long.

Rock on, little blue loco.

 

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Posted by pcarrell on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:22 PM

How's this for some Thomas respect?

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Posted by Tilden on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:12 AM

Hey Jeff, Good Idea.  After all, if an Athearn BB SD45 is worth $1200 to $1500 then I figure in 20 years the"rare"  Thomas stuff ought to be worth at least 5 grand!!!

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Posted by Gunns on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:16 AM

Actually you can't really win the snickering thing... I am a member of a club restoring a 2900 series locomotive, and get the snickers about the 1 to 1 scale stuff when I buy N scale stuff for the model I am making of our work site. In the museum restoration community "Thomas" is big Ju Ju. Often a visit by Thomas is the only thing that keeps the place in the black.

Model what you want, vote with your feet if you have to.

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Posted by scole100 on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:54 PM
This summer I was on vacation in London and we stopped at a hobby shop there.  It was full of great train equipment both European and American.  They also had a ton of Thomas stuff as well.  It was all very prominently displayed.  I did not buy any, and I still kick myself.  How cool would it have been to Have a Thomas or Trevor straight from the England?  I did not do it because I was afraid that some one would giggle at me.  I applaud you for doing what you think would be interesting and fun.  Don't mind the people that may not understand.  You will find people who do not understand model railroading, no matter what road you model.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:41 PM
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This has me wondering if I want to go out and buy some Thomas stuff... for the future. (no, nothing on the way or anything, but never too soon to start you know!)


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Posted by jeffshultz on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 6:55 PM
This has me wondering if I want to go out and buy some Thomas stuff... for the future. (no, nothing on the way or anything, but never too soon to start you know!)
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Posted by SteamFreak on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:44 PM
 Tilden wrote:

Trevor,

  If it was between the manager and another employee, it might have been an "I told you this stuff would sell" look.  A little payback to a doubting Thomas (sorry about that).  Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by Pathfinder on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:03 PM
Good on you Trevor for sticking with it.  My kids love the Thomas and Potter stuff I run and I do not care if it looks strange next to a CP SD40-2, nor do they.

Too bad about the hobby shop but I have run into that issue at more than one in SW BC.  Now my list of "good" hobby shops is short, about 3. 
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Posted by Tilden on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:54 PM

Trevor,

  If it was between the manager and another employee, it might have been an "I told you this stuff would sell" look.  A little payback to a doubting Thomas (sorry about that).  Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by Tilden on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:46 PM

Brian,

   If it's the Bachmann loco there are no DCC plugs, you have to hardwire the decoder.  The motor is isolated from the frame though so that's a help.  Also, you don't need the circuit board that's in there, remove it.  I think you'll find the color of the motor wires are the exact opposite of NMRA standard for DCC plugs.  In an overly energetic moment I replaced them, for looks.  Also, if you convert Henry, you might want to drill a hole through the metal frame to allow direct routing of the motor wires into the cab area.  This will avoid the wires being pinched when you slide the body back on.

  Don't know the layout of the Hornby loco's.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:36 PM

LHS owners can be tempermental.  Perhaps many of them are in their business to start with because they're so "into" their hobbies and have strong feelings about them.

At a LHS around here, you get read the riot act if you call a non-operating unit a "dummy unit."  When I was younger, I got into trouble for calling a graphic novel a "comic book."

It's a wierd part of the hobby culture.  In general, I hear a lot of model train folks justifying themselves, as to why their layout is not "prototypical," or why they are using a fictitious line, etc.

In the end, we're all playing with toys.

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Posted by Shilshole on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:02 PM
Big Smile [:D]
If you visit them again, see if they can custom paint Thomas in Alco demonstrator colors.

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Posted by GearDrivenSteam on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:01 PM
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Well if you think of it, the Thomas the Tank Engine TV series seemes to be aimed at pre-school children.   Most of the material offered for sale is toys.  You tell them at the hobby shop that this is what you are modeling and they don't treat you with respect?    Perhaps if you were to emphasize that you are building with your young son it might make things more clear?

What if another adult said they were modeling a Sesame Street scene?   Would you show a lot of respect if you were in the scale modeling fraternity?  

That figures, coming from you, Bob. Fact is, your layout is just as make believe as Thomas or Sesame Street. They all are. I would have expected nothing less from you, though.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:43 PM
YesLaugh [(-D]...I suppose that's a possibilityLaugh [(-D]

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Posted by Shilshole on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:40 PM
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On a time line, the Atlas S1 incident occurred first...


So it's equally likely that they were drooling ALCOphobes.


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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:13 PM
I think most of us are just trying to have a little fun with trains,  whether that's Thomas or a highly detailed diorama or something in between. 

But there is definitely a segment in the hobby that feels called upon to define model railroading correctness and to let you know when you are out of line.  These are the folks who complained several years ago when Walthers came out with Penn Central steam locomotive decals. 

Personally, I think if you're having fun you're doing it the right way.

Enjoy
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:12 AM

Did you consider the possibility that the jocularity displayed by the owner and manager may have had absolutely nothing to do with your purchases, or with you at all?


Yes I have considered that, and I'd like to qualitfy my statements by saying, I'm not an overly sensitive, wilting flower.  In fact wife would even say I'm mostly blind to all things of a subtle nature.  That's why this really stood out to me. 

On a time line, the Atlas S1 incident occurred first, and I wrote this off just as you noted...as jocularity between employees/friends.  It is only since the Thomas purchases that I gave pause the earlier Atlas incident.

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Posted by Shilshole on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:49 AM
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Wow!Shock [:O]  I was just venting a little frustration and didn't expect many replies.


Nice rant!

Sadly the "Hey Bob look at this..." winks and nods were from the owner to the manager, and I don't think I was supposed to notice.  It wasn't like they stood back and openly mocked me.  That would be suicide.  I just got the feeling that because I wasn't buying high end brass, BLI or Tower 55 that I was something less than a "real" model railroader.  It happened one other time as well, with the same two guys, and I was buying an Atlas S1 that was marked down in price.


So your experience wasn't limited to your Thomas purchase, as your thread title implies.

Did you consider the possibility that the jocularity displayed by the owner and manager may have had absolutely nothing to do with your purchases, or with you at all?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:23 AM
Wow!Shock [:O]  I was just venting a little frustration and didn't expect many replies.  Sadly the "Hey Bob look at this..." winks and nods were from the owner to the manager, and I don't think I was supposed to notice.  It wasn't like they stood back and openly mocked me.  That would be suicide.  I just got the feeling that because I wasn't buying high end brass, BLI or Tower 55 that I was something less than a "real" model railroader.  It happened one other time as well, with the same two guys, and I was buying an Atlas S1 that was marked down in price.

Personally I model what I like.  I always have regardless of what the rivet counters and superdetailers say.   It's my passtime, for my  personal enjoyment.  And nobody's gonna wreck it for me.

To answer the common suggestion, I have ordered many of my Thomas loco's, coaches and wagons from online sources.  The Canadian Dollar is doing well versus the US dollar so ordering from Walthers or other online sources doesn't hurt as much as it used to.  In fact ordering online from the States ends up costing about the same as buying at the LHS.  In this instance, I needed a decoder and didn't want to wait the two weeks it takes to receive online orders.  While I was there I picked up a TAR car, a SODOR FUEL car and a Brake van as spontaneous purchases.  When I am planning a purchase I do order online.

The layout is in its infancy right now.  It's 14 x 9 around the room J shaped dog bone.  I have just finished laying the main line and the small yard.  I have been test running Thomas, Percy and Henry.  I discovered some minor track issues with Henry, and just last night ironed them out.  Currently all three of my Thomas loco's can run full throll, simultaneously, without issues...except that Henry catches up to Percy in a hurry!  I guess a 4-6-0 will do that to a 0-4-0!!!Laugh [(-D]

Thanks for all of your replies.  I look forward to reading more...if any.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:06 AM

I say Build Thomas!! I am lucky enough to have Cabbose hobbies in my backyard and they have a whole row devoted to Thomas!! It is great to see the kids there playing with the wood set. I am 24 and used to watch thomas on the local PBS station and loved it. I feel it is a very educational show that teaches kids today something that we lack as a country, and that is "IMAGEINATION" It is what this country was built on and our younger generations have less and less. But any ways off my rant now.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:04 AM

Sodor rules, dogs drool!

If you return to the LHS you might share your impressions with the owner/manager to make them aware of a situation that is probably afflicting their business on other levels beyond your experience there. The Disney people addressed their public by stressing to the staff that the public were guests at the theme parks and that the staff was expected to treat them as guests. Your impressions may be a little over sensitive, but no less valid. Retention of a customer is the most expensive aspect of business and probably the most over looked. While they may spend large sums to advertise to attract new customers (ie. new $s) through the doors, little is spent in retaining those individuals once they have visited.

I terms of your modeling, I cannot think of a more rigid prototype to follow, or better reasons to pursue it. The inter action between a father and son is priceless. The learning aspects are innumerable. The reason railroads grew up and continued to exist was the need to move people and products from a point of origin to a logical destination. Gather up milk from the farm, take it to the dairy, pick up bottled milk and ice cream to be delivered to the camp grounds for the picnic which the trains had hauled passengers to attend. Sounds like an economic microcosim to me, and you thought you were just "playing trains" with your son!! I wonder if the snickerers at the LHS have as good a grasp of the "island" that they model?

I hate the "it's your railroad do what you want" theme. I don't expect that you will run a Big Boy or Challenger on your version of Sodor pulling a stack train of intermodal containers, but your son may develop an understanding of why those containers are going by in the real life trains he may see. What ever your course of action with regard to the LHS, continue to enjoy your time with your son!

 

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Posted by usersatch on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:26 AM

Trevor,

Thomas the Train is a bit creepy for me!  A talking train?  Ranks up there with clowns!  Just kidding!  Anyways, who cares what those guys think.  It is great bonding time with your son and may perhaps get him turned onto modelling trains later in life.  Go for it and enjoy!

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Posted by CNJ831 on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:53 AM

 TGG wrote:
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The funny thing is, (and the point of my post) when I go to my LHS, the staff give me the impression that I'm not as respected as other model railroaders because of my choice of "road".   I've seen the raised eyebrow, and heard the little snickers.  To be honest it seems a little immature to me.  I mean they had no issues when I was dropping big bucks on a HO scale, DCC/Sound equiped, CN F3A-B.  If the store wasn't so well stocked, I'd probably take my business elsewhere.  Am I being overly sensitive or do you think this is as wrong as I do?


Trevor - As pointed out upstream, your mistake was in not mentioning at the LHS that you are modeling with your young son whose interest is in Thomas. You have to appreciate that there are many hobbyists out there that are very serious about model railroading and to these folks, modeling with Thomas is considered basically an adult playing with toy (absolute fantasy, non-scale) trains intended strictly for children. For them, scale is scale, Thomas items are toys and the gulf separatng the two is miles wide. Thus, the response of the LHS guys is not the least bit surprising. To these folks it wouldn't matter if you laid out $10,000 for Thomas items, you will be glowered or snickered at and pigeonholed as a hobby outsider playing with kid's toys unless you offer an explanation.

The often quoted saying of, "It's your railroad and you can do as you please" may be true but in doing so, remember that at the same time it comes with the caveat that you can't expect your work to be taken seriously by everyone else either.

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Posted by inch53 on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 5:21 AM
Geussen I'm lucky , our LHS handles some Thomas stuff and is happy to order anything he doesn't have in stock, even to grandpa's like me. We've 5 grandkids that collect Thomas. Betwwen them, I think they have most every thing thats made. I even have some too.
When my layouts running again [rebuilding it], there'll be some running on it
At a swap meet, we went to last spring, one layout was running Thomas next a 2-6-0. And it wasn't just the little kids watching it
Run what you will, how you will. My layout doesn't meet a lot of people standerds, but it makes me and the kids smile.
Think I'll go play with trains now
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Posted by jon grant on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:51 AM

'My name is Jon, I'm 43 and I model Thomas the Tank Engine' (Thomas Anonymous) 

 

 

Model whatever you like. After all, we're all only 'playing with toy trains'. Those snickers will come from the non-modelling fraternity anyway.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:05 AM

Next time you go to your LHS, ask them what they are laughing at?. Is it me or my dollars? No matter what they answer they lose. If they are laughing at you then you wont be bringing your dollars to them anymore. If they are laughing at your dollars, well you won't bring them back.

Many years ago, at a time when I had little funds to spend on my hobby, I came across a dealer who told his assistent at a train meet not to waste time on me as I had not much money to spend. Until then I had spent a few dollars at his shop. Now that my economic situation is so much different He does not get one cent from me. Best of all he knows why.

Anyway you do your own thing and enjoy this great hobby. Smile [:)]

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Monday, October 16, 2006 10:36 PM
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twcenterprises comment about a 1:1 Thomas reminded me...

I've taken the kids to ride on the 1:1 Thomas twice now, over at Strasburg. I think I get more of a charge out of it than they do. They dig the ride, then want to know if we can go buy a new piece for their Brio-style Thomas wooden train set. I just want to go have another ride.

Let's hear it for "purists" everywhere!

Japan has its own Thomas knockoff, SL-man, part of a preschool superhero cartoon.  When the tourist-oriented Otaru Railway temporarily modified a C11 class 2-6-4 into SL-man, bright red paint, white wheels and "arms" growing out of the side tanks, the Japanese railfan community was incensed!  How DARE the owners desecrate a real, operating Japan National Railways locomotive, even temporarily?  (On the other hand, the kids and a lot of parents loved it.)

I remember when the 1:1 Thomas visited Nashville.  The base for the visit was the original Tennessee Central station, and it was wall-to-wall folks!  A lot of them took the opportunity to take a look at the club layout which was also on display.

I, too, have encountered a few individuals of questionable manners at shows and LHS.  Once, after I mentioned my choice of prototype, a parlor patriot sneered, "Watzamattuh?  America ain't good enough fer ya?"  When I flipped out my military ID and asked what branch he'd served in, he got VERY quiet.

So, for all the modelers who wish to get off (and well away from) the beaten track, more power to you, and good luck in creating your dream.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 16, 2006 9:17 PM

twcenterprises comment about a 1:1 Thomas reminded me...

I've taken the kids to ride on the 1:1 Thomas twice now, over at Strasburg. I think I get more of a charge out of it than they do. They dig the ride, then want to know if we can go buy a new piece for their Brio-style Thomas wooden train set. I just want to go have another ride.

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Posted by ShadowNix on Monday, October 16, 2006 9:13 PM

Hey Trevor,

I am in the middle of converting a Thomas engine to DCC...and I just say PSHAW to those who snicker.  My son love two engines... Thomas and my lionel Challenger and heck, that is one  of the big reasons I model railroad... so I can have some fun with him!    Quick question, does the Bachman have a DCC plug or did you "wire it".  I have a lil cheapo thomas with a wire wound motor that I am having difficulty getting to work right... (the motor I think)...

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Posted by SteamFreak on Monday, October 16, 2006 9:07 PM

Trevor,

Let's face it: we're all reliving our childhoods in one way or another through our modeling (the adult term for "playing with trains"), and so what? It's healthy, creative, and as you've proven, provides a fantastic way to bond with the next generation. The sky is the limit as far as creativity goes, and as much as I admire the rivet counter's masterpiece photo spreads in Model RR'er, the rivet counting can become really obsessive, to the point that many people feel intimidated by the hobby. That may partially explain the falling number of model railroaders. Unless you're modeling a museum piece, a layout is much more attractive (especially to kids) if it involves elements of humor & whimsy. It's your world, so what you say goes.

You're son is learning so much from doing this with you, as well as spending a lot of quality time with Dad. The guys at the LHS, assuming they were really unkind and not just mildly amused, are shooting themselves in the foot. It's that sort of elitist attitude that will do this hobby in -- this belief that only a select few carry the torch of model railroading, and the rest of the people are just playing with toys.

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Posted by steamage on Monday, October 16, 2006 8:52 PM
My wife and I make up Duncan the tank engine stories on an Internet webpage for our nephews. It started with a little metal toy engine modified HO scale wheels. It's a lot of fun for us to do and really takes care of all the gift giving and shopping nonsense. The Duncan stories are also popular in the UK.

Here is the website: http://www.geocities.com/duncan2train/duncan.1.html

And yes I have the Thomas DVD's, and they do show very good modeling work!

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Posted by Paul W. Beverung on Monday, October 16, 2006 8:25 PM
Hi Trevor: I've thought about doing a Isle of Sodor layout. I enjoy the Thomas stories and think that the modeling on the shows is very good. This may seem strange coming from a fellow that's 64 years old, but so what? I'd like to see some of what you have if you do deciede to go that route. In the long run it's what is going to work for you and your son. So have fun.
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Posted by One Track Mind on Monday, October 16, 2006 8:07 PM

Ah, but that's the wrong shade of blue on Thomas....Wink [;)]

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Posted by M636C on Monday, October 16, 2006 7:48 PM

Something that isn't always recognised is that while the original Thomas stories were simply based on bedtime stories told by Awdry senior to Awdry junior, much of the later books was based on their model railway.

Henry was rebuilt from an LNER prototype Pacific to an LMS prototype 4-6-0 because Awdry had obtained a model of an LMS Stanier "Black Five" and painted it green as his "Henry".

"Duck" was called that because the particular model Awdry had on his layout (a "Gaiety" GWR 57XX 0-6-0 pannier Tank) had a bad waddle, and when running looked like a duck.

The selection of diesel locomotives reflected the availability of models in the early 1960s, BoCo being the Hornby Dublo Metropolitan Vickers Type 2 and the other being the Triang Beyer Peacock "Hymek".

The visit of "Flying Scotsman" to Sodor "from the mainland" coincided with the release by Hornby of a model of the preserved locomotive.

In 1948, of course, the private Sodor railway was nationalised, as was the rest of the British Railways, and Sir Topham Hatt, who had been the "Fat Director" of the private railway became the "Fat Controller" of the nationalised "Region". This character was in fact based on a well known railfan and friend of Awdry (whose name escapes me)

While Bachmann base their models on the drawings from the book, the Hornby "Thomas" models are all recycled British prototype models. The "Hymek" is of course the original Triang moulding that Awdry used on his layout, Hornby now providing a face moulding on one end.

Awdry's Sodor, in the books at least, adhered to prototype practice somewhat more than the TV stories, but more than most model railways. Following the books would be a good guide for a scale British layout, as well as a Thomas collection.

Take an original Thomas book to the Hobby shop, and explain how you are following a real prototype, as well as a sadly little known but very influential classic layout!

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Posted by TrainFreak409 on Monday, October 16, 2006 7:41 PM

Ya know what...? If I had the space and there was more Thomas the Tank Engine in N scale...I would love to model Sodor.

I'm still a Thomas fan; and I'm 17. So if I were to build a Thomas layout...It would be for me as I have no children at this moment in time. I don't think I would be critized at my LHS...Because I work there and am good friends with everyone. They would probably think it would be a fairly cool idea. However, if it was spread around the school that a high school senior is playing with toy trains that came from a show for four year olds...I'd be laughed at around every corner. Would it bother me? It may get annoying after a few weeks...But I wouldn't stop doing it.

Don't worry about the people at your LHS. And if it does bother you, just explain to them that the layout you are building isn't just for you to run trains on. They'll support the idea that you are helping to bring in a new generation to the hobby.

But there is always that magic about Thomas that seems to linger with train enthusiasts everywhere. Smile [:)]

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Monday, October 16, 2006 7:21 PM
Important question: Are you and your saon enjoying what you're doing? If so, keep it up and to hell with what others think. It's your layout. Do what you want. If not, same answer.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 16, 2006 7:11 PM
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What if another adult said they were modeling a Sesame Street scene?   Would you show a lot of respect if you were in the scale modeling fraternity?

Oops! Seems I might just HAVE a Cookie Monster car (filled with cookies of course!), another with Goofy up to his waist shovelling coal.....and oh yeah, you might even find Tigger hiding in the bushes! Did I happen to mention that Mr Roger's trolley has been known to be granted trackage rights, too?

There's a rather neat loco on evilBay at the moment that looks like a dragon, it even smokes....I might just bid onnit...ESPECIALLY if it will give a "serious scale modeller" somewhere a case of apoplexy! (maybe the devil made me do it...or maybe I'm just contrary that way But I'm still having FUN Wink [;)])
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Posted by twcenterprises on Monday, October 16, 2006 6:58 PM

Something else that hasn't been said, "Sodor" would, in a sense, be a freelanced line, based on the fictitious prototype.  That is to say, the real "Sodor" exists, only in model form.  If you built your own version of "Sodor", would you be any less the modeler than anyone who builds their own version of the V&O, or the G&D, or freelances any other road?  You LHS folks may think so, if their snickering isn't just "all in fun".  If I went into my LHS and bought the Thomas line, and I started hearing the jabs, I would probably say something like "these are for my son" (probably truthfully), but I would also be tempted to say something like "yeah, I plan on running Thomas right alongside my BLI F units, and my Spectrum steamers, so what?  I'm not ashamed to admit it" or to ask whether any other modeler has any other kind of unrealistic rolling stock, be it a Southern Railway F45 (I have one, even though Southern never did), a SF GG1 (I've not seen one, but you never know), or if their scratchbuilt flatcar is missing a row of rivets, or whatever.

Truth is, most of us have compromises in the level of realism in our equipment to varying degrees, and there have been photos of 1:1 versions of Thomas, so who's to laugh if you're buying the model?  The only modelers who could even have a legitimate arguement would be those who have scratchbuilt or superdetailed their models to the Nth degree, and who have replicated a specific place and time so meticulously, that even an expert museum curator could not find any discrepancies in their efforts.  These modelers are so few and far between, aside from all the modelers who strive for this level, but still have a ways to go, that I would doubt there are maybe 100 in the world.  The rest would have at least 1 discrepancy on their layout, be it an out-of-place car, locomotive, detail on said car or locomotive, structure or whatever.

My point is this: even if you're in your 40's or 50's or even older, what's so wrong with running Thomas?  Even if your kids are grown, you may have grandkids, or nieces/nephews or other extended family.  Along those lines, what's so wrong with fixing up an old Tyco/Model Power or other "low quality" engine?  Some of us have sentimental attachments to these old engines, and would like to be able to run them occasionally "for old time's sake".  I have even been known to upgrade an old Tyco type car with Kadee's and metal wheels.

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Posted by Railphotog on Monday, October 16, 2006 6:39 PM

Well if you think of it, the Thomas the Tank Engine TV series seemes to be aimed at pre-school children.   Most of the material offered for sale is toys.  You tell them at the hobby shop that this is what you are modeling and they don't treat you with respect?    Perhaps if you were to emphasize that you are building with your young son it might make things more clear?

What if another adult said they were modeling a Sesame Street scene?   Would you show a lot of respect if you were in the scale modeling fraternity?  

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 16, 2006 5:48 PM
I wouldn't admit to running Bachmanns too loud. Anytime someone brings it up the snobs all chime in talking about their Towers 55s and BLIs. I can just picture some folks around here doing the mommie dearest scene down at the hobby shop screaming "NO BACHMANNS, NO BACHMANNS EVER!" and then proceed to beat their kids with the loco.
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Posted by reklein on Monday, October 16, 2006 5:34 PM

"Besides, if you can model to the standards on the show, you can model ANYTHING well."

I totally agree with what ElMik wrote.The modelling on TTTE is an excellent standard for all of us. Just turn the sound off and watch sometime.My 2 cents [2c]

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Posted by conford on Monday, October 16, 2006 5:25 PM

I'm sorry to hear about your troubles at the LHS. Mine sells the Thomas stuff and it's right down there where the kids can find it. My kids. I'm glad they loke the hobby shop, and Thomas is a character who is attracting children to the hobby -- a few adults too. There will always be kids who love trains, and the challenge for the hobby is to help those kids become model railroaders. Hooray for you for honoring your child's interest and getting involved.

I think a weathered Thomas would look cool.

You know, a lot of the guys are still trying to live down the "playing with trains" moniker, and I wonder if what you're doing hits a little too close to home for them. So just relax.

My only objection to Thomas is that he has big flanges and I'd have to replace the wheels to get him to run on my code 83/70 layout.

Enjoy!
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Posted by zxb1 on Monday, October 16, 2006 4:40 PM
My nephew has several thomas the tank engine vhs tapes, believe it or not I watch the videos more than he does. It got me back into the hobby, really ! So what, let people laugh ! Life's to short now a days. Do what makes you and yours happy !
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Posted by rayw46 on Monday, October 16, 2006 4:04 PM
I saw a Thomas Passenger Car at my LHS; don't remember the name.  I am seriously considering purchasing it, converting the couplers and using it as one of the passenger cars on a tourist train behind my Bachmann Ten Wheeler.  It's actually a fair model althought the under-carraige detail is a little over sized.  But, who cares, are rather, who cares who cares.
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Posted by lvanhen on Monday, October 16, 2006 3:53 PM
When my grandson was 2 - he had ADD and other problems (still has).  The first time he looked at TV for more than 2 minutes was 1. Kids Love Toy Trains and 2. Thomas (Shining Time Station).  He is now 10 & has other interests, but Thomas & trains are still top fun for him.  I have a small layout, I have a Lionel Veranda, an Athern Challenger (with bad sound), and a couple of Atlas diesels, all DCC, as well as Thomas (Hornby), James, Percy(Bachmann), and a dozen or so cars.  My LHS made no comment when I asked to order the Bachmann before they were released, and called when they eventually came in (the original shipment was six months late!)  Anything that gets young people off video games and doing something a little physical is only good.  Please post pics of The Island of Sodor asap!!  Last, but not leaast, anybody care to give some info on what decoder chip(s) will work on the Bachmann & Hornby engines and a little how to - PLEASE!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 16, 2006 3:03 PM

I absolutely concur. 10-20 years down the road, you'll hear "I got started with Thomas" as often as you hear "I got started with a Tyco/Bachmann box set" or a "Lionel setup" today.

Plus, if the Thomas stuff is so rotten, why does the store carry it? Can't be that bad.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Sodor as a layout. If you took the one I see on TV with my kids and pulled off the bright-colored, smiley-face trains and replaced them with something more "real" I bet those same guys who poo-poo it would talk about the nice scenery, the cool use of real running water, etc. and so forth. I, for one, would LOVE to see some overall photos of the layout, a documentary on the modelling aspects of the show, or even a tour!

And while my layout is not Sodor, I do own several of the Bachmann Thomas trains in order to get my kids involved, and I have no shame about it. They live in the roundhouse with the 'real' locos - I don't "hide" them when the kids aren't around. Heck, I put DCC decoders in 'em that cost more than the dang loco! Now that's crazy-talk right there!

It's not just Thomas. You get many who 'look down their nose' at those who don't:

  • superdetail their locos
  • handlay track (at least switches, at least some of them)
  • build everything from kits or scratch, rather than buying RTR
  • build 'craftsman' kits rather than walther's plastic stuff
  • build scratchbuilt structures rather than 'craftsman' kits.
  • adhere slavishly to prototype - both operationally and equipment wise
  • weather their rolling stock
  • ballast their track
  • And the big no-wins: do/don't like sound, do/don't like DCC. That's a friggin' holy war. 
  • And Heaven Forbid you simply have a loop of track and enjoy making the trains go roundy-round on it...

See, there's a whole hierarchy of skills and a whole hierarchy of how intense you want to get versus just enjoying it. I think the skill of 'imagining' is woefully undervalued in this hobby. Is it a matter of "you'll never be good enough." OR, is it a matter of "You'll never be bored..." It's a matter of attitude by those with the skills.

Now, I msyelf do some of those things above, and some I don't do. I think ALL of them are great, and I think doing ANY of them is a fine skill. I hope one day to do all of them myself (except maybe the truly slavish prototype thing... That's not for me).

More importantly, I hope they're all skills people are willing to share rather than hoard.  It's a lot easier to sniff at someone who doesn't know how to handlay a turnout than it is to teach them how to do it.

Seek out the clubs, shops and groups that lean toward the latter. They do exist.

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Posted by Tilden on Monday, October 16, 2006 2:33 PM

Gee Trevor, I bet the LHS still took your money!!!  Next time pay in small change and claim it came from the piggy bank. Laugh [(-D]

I don't model Sodor...but I would if I had more room.  I got a Thomas for my girlfriend's boys.  Now I have them all, with cars and Toby on order.  They are all converted to DCC and Gordon and Henry have sound.  The boys LOVE running them on the layout.  The biggest crisis weekend before last was trying to explain to a 4 year old why he couldn't pull my daylight cars behind Henry (haven't converted Thomas stuff to Kadees).

It is a great way to get the younger generation initiated into the hobby.  They identify with Thomas and their imaginations do the rest.  As I said, if I had the room I'd add a 5x9 Island of Sodor with harbor and quarry.  I'd even tack a scale hand painted sign on the Isle of Sodor sign saying "No Deseasels".

As far as the equipment goes, it's simple and sturdy.  The motors are Spectrum motors because Bachmann said it wouldn't be economical to set up a seperate line just for Thomas stuff.

Don't be afraid to send pics when you get going.

And Mr. Beasly, don't worry about the code 100 and plastic wheels, it just means you're not really in the hobby..snicker, snicker.Big Smile [:D]  (Just kidding)

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Monday, October 16, 2006 1:44 PM
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Something else needs to be pointed out about snickering in a hobby shop, in case you are relatively new to the atmosphere...I don't see it as much anymore...but in the old days you'd see Missouri Pacific modellers making fun of Rock Island modellers and vice versa.
Sign - Ditto [#ditto] It often isn't real snickering either just old fashion rib poking. Sometimes it is just a male method of starting a dialog.  Certain railroads take it on the chin at certain times for different reasons.  All the UP folks at the club took a lot of grief over the legal trademark issues.  Then the BNSF had a series of deraliments and it was their turn for some snickering.  If the cover of the MR has a warbonnet on it, then it is the AT&SF people's turn to lord it over us NP types.  It was/is all in fun (unless the SP is involved and those are real snickers).
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Posted by emdgp92 on Monday, October 16, 2006 1:39 PM
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Yes, Thomas is the Rodney Dangerfield of model railroading.


Try modeling the PC in the middle of PRR territory :p PRR, NYC, and NH fans hate us because our road "killed" theirs...even though all 3 were damaged goods long before then. :p

But seriously, I don't know why some people have this "need" to put down the modeling efforts of others. To me, the hobby is big enough for all of us. I don't go around slamming the work of others, especially when mine's not perfect either--take a look at my layout photos, especially the one of the BN E7 to see what I mean.

Not too long ago, I was insulted by an LHS. I was down there attempting to get parts for an old Model Power steam engine. The shop owner said that he couldn't understand why I wanted to fix that "piece of crap." Needless to say, unless he has some out-of-production cars or kits, I don't shop there unless I have to.

But, I do know a guy who just *loves* to turn the tables on these kinds of folks. He's kitbashing a set of Lionel F units in PC colors just to torque off the purists :p
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Posted by cwclark on Monday, October 16, 2006 1:39 PM

The guys at the LHS are stupid for laughing at your choice of road....I'd tell them if they don't appreciate it, I could very well take my business elswhere if they find it so amusing...(I'd also have a great urge to dot both their eyes, but prison isn't that appealing to me)...That's just plain wrong on their part...Thomas the tank engine is cool and i try to watch it every chance i can on PBS even at 40+(closer to 50)

Maybe you can get Sir Toppum Hat to put out a contract on those imbeciles and rough them up a bit . He's the guy with all the connections.......chuck

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Posted by dwRavenstar on Monday, October 16, 2006 1:26 PM

I'd be tempted to see if they snicker when told that you're only there to look at the item because your son is excited and just can't wait for the UPS truck to arrive on Monday.

Then I'd ask to purchase a couple packs of track spikes.  Leave 'em wondering just how much product they're no longer selling to you and their lost future customer.

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Posted by Adelie on Monday, October 16, 2006 12:55 PM
Model whatever you want and makes you and your son happy.

As for the hobby shop, I am reminded of a basic tenet of retail that I have had to remind a few businesses in the past when discussing "their policy."  The relationship between the hobby shop and you revolves around your money.  As such, you will decide how to use it.  If they want to foot the bill, then they can decide.

How do you think they will respond when you follow up that lesson with "are you buying?"

In this hobby, there is always somebody wanting a snicker at somebody else's work.  They snicker at you over Thomas, Spacemouse over Hogwarts, and probably at me because I model a freelance road that never has nor will exist.  Operations-types snicker at model "railfan" types and vice-versa.  Scratchbuilders snicker at kitbuilders who snicker at ready-to-run folks.  LHS loyalists snicker at online buyers who snicker at ebay buyers who snicker at swap-meet buyers, who snicker at LHS loyalists.  And yet, to one degree or another, we are all grown adults playing with trains, creating our own miniature world, or both.

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Posted by selector on Monday, October 16, 2006 12:37 PM

My education is at odds with my temperament; the former says I should be polite and learn if the snickering is genuinely derisive or if it is a sign of something else.  The latter says I should ask the person about their amusement, and if the answer is not satisfactory, to tell them that it is so unfortunate that I will no longer be able to support the business, and that I would be advising my friends to stay away.

Snickering about one's choice is likely a sign of rigidity, and that is never a good thing for a business, nor for someone to whom you go for advice or help.  If people don't advance, they fall behind (attributed to Seneca).

Finally, their apparent position begs the question- why sell what you deride?  If you know or believe that something is in some way deficient on a given dimension, why would you make it a practice to offer it to valued customers?

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Posted by on30francisco on Monday, October 16, 2006 12:18 PM
Don't worry what others think of your choice of modeling, whether it's Thomas or any other other type of railroad. This is a hobby and the main purpose is to have fun. I sometimes get strange looks at hobby shops when I ask about supplies for Lagre Scale logging equipment or anything else that's not mainstream.  I mostly use online and mail order hobby shops that are much cheaper, more helpful and knowledgeable, and better stocked than most LHSs. If I were you I would shop online or through mail order hobby shops. Some LHSs can be very cliquish and hostile toward customers that model anything outside of mainstream interests.  
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Posted by MisterBeasley on Monday, October 16, 2006 12:14 PM

Yeah, and there are people who won't respect my layout either, because I use Code 100 track and some of my cars have plastic wheels.

I'd like to see your layout on Photo Fun some weekend.  We always appreciate a good modelling job, and something like a "serious" Thomas layout would be worth seeing.

If I had train-friendly kids or grandkids, I'd probably go out and get a Thomas set myself, just to run for them.

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Posted by frisco1519 on Monday, October 16, 2006 11:13 AM

Trevor,

I also support your idea to model Thomas. I have my own large HO scale layout but I built a smaller Thomas layout for my two young Grandson's. I also purchased the Bachman sets and have continued to add more cars and engines to their layout. It really keeps them busy for hours and also keeps them from trying to run mine which is considerably more complicated to operate. My LHS never says a word about what I buy. I even took an engine and cars to our clubs layout one afternoon to run for a group of kids that came to watch the trains run. As always, Thomas was the star of the show. They were watching it more than the large intermodel and mixed freight trains that were also running.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 16, 2006 11:09 AM
How much is actually closet jealousy? When I've run my gauge 1 James and Lehmann bubble car at shows it quite often draws a LOT more comments, and smiles, than the "proper" modular layouts.....

Besides, if you can model to the standards on the show, you can model ANYTHING well.
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Posted by vsmith on Monday, October 16, 2006 10:57 AM
Rather odd reaction from a LHS...
 
The LHSs near me wouldnt care if you were modeling Mr Rogers Neighborhood as long as you were coming in and buying the stuff from THEM and supporting their business, rather than buying off the internet.
 
You might remind them of that simple fact..."Ya know, ya keep snickering I might switch to buying from the interent" and also if their such "serious" modelers, why do they even bother stocking Thomas items in the first place?

   Have fun with your trains

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Posted by JamesPH1966 on Monday, October 16, 2006 10:47 AM

Model what you want - it's your railroad.

 I can remember when I first joined the TCA as a teenager and had to "justify" collecting Marx tin litho (back when it was "cheap tin junk" as opposed to nowadays when it's become "fine collectable lithographed tin-plate art" - 20-odd years later my trash has truely become a treasue!).  If you LSH wants to act like that, take the above advise and go mail-order.  I'd even suggest looking into British prototype stuff from Bachmann and Hornby since the wheels, couplers etc. are completely compatable (I say this because I also collect Brit outline OO and, well, Hobbytown has these nice tank wagons that just happen to have "Sodor Oil" on the side instead of "BP" or whatever - and look good behind my Class 37 regardless).    

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Posted by One Track Mind on Monday, October 16, 2006 10:46 AM

Something else needs to be pointed out about snickering in a hobby shop, in case you are relatively new to the atmosphere...I don't see it as much anymore...but in the old days you'd see Missouri Pacific modellers making fun of Rock Island modellers and vice versa.

I'm not saying that makes it right to snicker at you, but for some folks in a hobbyshop, some of the snickering just comes with the territory.

Plus you should be thanked for supporting, and hopefully continue to support your local hobby shop. Although that was a good suggestion about maybe confronting the owner or manager about the ungratefulness shown.

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Posted by SOU Fan on Monday, October 16, 2006 10:39 AM

I have never modeled Thomas but when I was a kid I checked out all the videos from the library.  I now have a nephew who likes trains.  He is 5 years old and loves the HO scale 4 x 8 layout the uncle sets up, but I suspect he loves Thomas also.

If you like Thomas go ahead and model it.  The "hobby shop" that thinks your nuts, well I think they just lost a customer.  Am I right??  They have no right to laugh at you since you model Thomas whether you are forty or four.

My 2 cents [2c]

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Posted by SilverSpike on Monday, October 16, 2006 10:32 AM

I support your decision all the way! If you and your son are having fun doing the "Sodor" line then that is all that is important. Any chance you can get to bond with your son is worth more than the snickers and jeers that the LHS is giving you.

It really surprises me that they are not giving you the support especially since you are spending good money on things you like.

Hobby shops are a dying breed and if you are not comfortable with them I am sure there are plenty of online options available to you. One of the main reasons I enjoy my LHS so much is the one-on-one contact I can get in supporting and answering all my questions, but if I did not have them I would be going online again.

If I were in your shoes and the next time I went to that shop to spend some $$$ on items and I got a jeer or a snicker from them I would have to assert myself. I would have let them know that it makes me uncomfortable when I spend my money at their shop and they are making rude comments. I would also ask to speak to the owner or manager and let them know that I can take the business elsewhere.

In today’s shrinking local hobby shop market it makes good business sense for them to make their customers feel welcome and want to spend money in their shops.

Ryan Boudreaux
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Posted by SpaceMouse on Monday, October 16, 2006 10:24 AM

I started out modeling Hogwarts so that my kids would be involved. Who cares whether your hobby shop likes or dislikes what you are doing. Besides, you can probably get what you want cheaper on the Internet.

Doing things with your kids is far more important than your LHS's opinion of your road name.  

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Posted by One Track Mind on Monday, October 16, 2006 10:24 AM

Model what you want. Model what you and your son will enjoy.

Yeah you might be the only 40 year old who models Sodor, but so what?

And at 40 I'd quit worrying what other people think.

I am disappointed that any hobby shop snickers at a customer who is buying something. I guess that's to be expected in your case, especially from other customers...but in the case of a LHS employee making fun of your Thomas purchases...that may well be on the immature side, but it's also not a real good business practice!

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Posted by GearDrivenSteam on Monday, October 16, 2006 10:21 AM
Yes, Thomas is the Rodney Dangerfield of model railroading. I think it's all BS though, because Thomas is cool. I got my grandson a Thomas plastic set from Wal Mart and it's his favorite toy when he comes to visit. I think that Thomas the Train makes it very easy to introduce children into the world of model railroading. Nothing wrong with adults modeling him, either. You're correct about DCC conversions. They are easy. Cheap, easy to work on, the children love it and it's reliable. I don't think you could ask much more. To hell with the LHS if that's how they feel. At least you're modeling.
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Posted by cacole on Monday, October 16, 2006 10:21 AM

My solution would be to use mail order, save money in the process, and avoid the hostile local hobby shop crowd.

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Posted by TomDiehl on Monday, October 16, 2006 10:19 AM
You may be the "only 40 year old modelling the "Sodor" road," but connections like this are a great way to get the younger generation exposed and possibly involved in the hobby. I'm sure in the next decade or so when we read about great model layouts, we're going to start seeing "I got started with a small Thomas the Tank Engine set" as a lead in to the builder's background. Programs like "Shining Time Station" and the Harry Potter movies have brought to the market several specialized theme sets that can be the intro needed to start people in model railroading.
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