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Can anyone name an industry with alot of switching with alot of diiferent loads

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Can anyone name an industry with alot of switching with alot of diiferent loads
Posted by Wyonate on Friday, September 8, 2006 11:02 AM

What is a good industry with alot of swtching with alot of different loads I can put on my layout???

 

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Posted by CSX_road_slug on Friday, September 8, 2006 11:09 AM

 Wyonate wrote:
What is a good industry with alot of swtching with alot of different loads I can put on my layout???

Definitely: Steel mills! Big Smile [:D]

I guess I need to ask: How much space does your layout have?

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Posted by Kurt_Laughlin on Friday, September 8, 2006 11:13 AM

Generally industries try to avoid a lot of switching, because it costs money.  If it happens it's usually the result of a less than ideal track situation, normally due to a industry in a restrictive real estate environment.

As far as a variety of loads, the team track/freight house is an old stalwart, while a paper mill seems to also require a number of different cars.

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Posted by pcarrell on Friday, September 8, 2006 11:21 AM

My personal favorite is a dock or port.  Anything and everything comes and goes from there.  It doesn't even have to be a big one.

A car ferry can also generate ready-to-run loads of all types too.

Also, for a yard, you could add a RIP (Repair In Place) track.  All types of cars get fixed there, whether you have that industry on your layout or not.

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Posted by pcarrell on Friday, September 8, 2006 11:27 AM
In reply to your Email Wyonate .....no problem!
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Posted by MisterBeasley on Friday, September 8, 2006 11:40 AM

A brewery might have a number of different loads going both in and out.

Also, an Interchange with another railroad could provide any level of traffic diversity that you'd care to use.

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Posted by pcarrell on Friday, September 8, 2006 11:42 AM

How about a cannery?  All kinds of things get canned, and then there's the cans themselves, the labels, the ink if they print their own labels, etc.

Or how about an auto assembly plant?  Takes up some real estate, but lots of products in, only a couple out.

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Posted by canazar on Friday, September 8, 2006 12:03 PM

I had the same problem with my layout so I made my own.   Maybe call it an easy way out, but it works.  I have alot of industries on my layout, but they are all  car type specific.  I wanted a place to go that I could get away with just about anything.  Flats, odd box cars, gondolas', etc.   I made up an out fit called the Virgina Rail Service, that all they do is speaclize in custom shipping by rail.  

Need to bring on some farm equpiment?   How about those extra large trusses for the new building in downtown.  Need to get those earth graders in for the new road?   Order a container full of goodies?  Got a large load of seasonal supplies?   Ship it by rail with Virginia and save! We can handle it all.

 

How's that get yeah?  Now, I can get away with just about any load, or use any rolling stock.  Everynow and then I have freinds come over and they bring some rolling stock and engines to run.  The VRS is a perfect place to use the rolling stock as I can just about come up with any reason to park any thing in front. I can easliy squeeze in some extra with out throwing off my operations.

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Posted by selector on Friday, September 8, 2006 12:22 PM

Mines will have a varied load, although much of it will come by truck...depends.  INCO in Sudbury, ON, had/has a huge amount of rail traffic, several large yards, etc. 

Smelters, too.  New equipment/machinery/parts, broken stuff being taken for third line repair, material for manufacturing in situ, fuel for the furnaces, silica and other catalysts/fluxes brought in for the smelting,  yellow sulfur being taken to port for shipping overseas, etc.   With smelters, you get to have a big stack, maybe three, and at least one water tower.  About as good as it gets!

A port is a good one, although it could take some doing to model a convincing one and not take away a lot of useful space.  It would be worth a serious look.

Auto manufacturing.  All sorts of stuff in, cars and waste out. 

Heavy equipment manufacture..same.

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Posted by CPPedler on Friday, September 8, 2006 12:35 PM
Well how about a paper mill, with tank cars of kaolin and oil to fire the boilers. Wood chip cars, log cars all going in and slurry cars going out and box cars to take away the finished paper either flat on pallets or rolls of paper. The prospects are almost endless. When a paper making machine is up and running it rarely stops due to the process and would run both day and night. So you could introduce switching at night . Now that is fun under flood light!!!!!           CPPedler
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Posted by Texas Zepher on Friday, September 8, 2006 1:06 PM
 Wyonate wrote:
What is a good industry with alot of swtching with alot of different loads I can put on my layout???
A meat packing/processing plant.  Livestock, equipment, supplies, fuel going in and meat going out.   Don't forget a place to clean the stock cars.  Icing and washing the referigerator cars.  If this is in conjunction with a canning or curing plant then one gets all the raw materials for that as well as canned goods (SPAM?) going out.
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Posted by NS2591 on Friday, September 8, 2006 1:50 PM
Glass plant. There was an article in MR a while back on it.
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Posted by stokesda on Friday, September 8, 2006 2:28 PM

Great thread, guys!

I've been looking for info like this, as I have several types of rolling stock and not sure the best way to use them. I also would like to have some industries with interesting traffic, but am unsure of all the types going and coming from each industry type. I have a copy of the "Trackside Industries" book from Kalmbach, but as I remember, it wasn't that detailed.

Is there a good generic source of info like this on the web somewhere? e.g. a big table that has columns for the following: industry type, product in, reason for the product going in, rolling stock type used to bring product in, product out, rolling stock used to bring product out.

I will second the suggestion for an interchange yard - the universal industry. You can put anything there without a reason other than "It's going to a distant city on a different carrier."

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Friday, September 8, 2006 2:34 PM
Any large manufacturing operation can have a number of cars coming in - especially if you model older time periods:

Hoppers or gondolas with coal for the boiler room.
Boxcars with boxes, cans, etc. for shipping the product.
Flatcar loads with large pieces of machinery. (these would be less frequent).

Then specific cars, say for a large food processing plant you could add:
Tank cars for corn syrup, etc
Covered Hopper cars for corn, grain, etc
Refrigerator cars for fruit, etc
Clean Boxcars to ship the breakfast cereal, etc in.

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Posted by andrechapelon on Friday, September 8, 2006 2:49 PM
 Wyonate wrote:

What is a good industry with alot of swtching with alot of different loads I can put on my layout???

 

 

An interchange track with another railroad.  You can switch any kind of car and if the interchange traffic is significant, there'll be lots of movement. Check out Tony Koester's article on an automated interchange between the Monon and the NKP in the September MR.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 8, 2006 2:49 PM

 Texas Zepher wrote:
 Wyonate wrote:
What is a good industry with alot of swtching with alot of different loads I can put on my layout???
A meat packing/processing plant.  Livestock, equipment, supplies, fuel going in and meat going out.   Don't forget a place to clean the stock cars.  Icing and washing the referigerator cars.  If this is in conjunction with a canning or curing plant then one gets all the raw materials for that as well as canned goods (SPAM?) going out.

Dont forget tankers to carry out edible and un-edible fats for processing. Hides go out in old, I MEAN OLD boxcars followed by flies. Gondolas are sad little things in the summer I wont go any further about them.

Dog food in bags and cans along with other things from the left overs of meat packing.

I like Food warehouses as you can get boxcars, reefers, tankers of dairy products to be bottled and all kinds of different loads.

Feed/Seed mills with elevators and tank storage for different liquids and a team track will provide virtually everything you can invent coming and going.

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Posted by rtstasiak on Friday, September 8, 2006 3:21 PM
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What is a good industry with alot of swtching with alot of different loads I can put on my layout???

 



How about a medium sized car repair shop? Everything breaks down sooner or later and needs some TLC  in the carshop, like the Walthers Cornerstone model in N and HO.  The stock model has 3 tracks, 2 or 3 cars each and is easy to double up.  Add in loco fuel and maintenance (think small),  a couple of tracks for pick ups and set outs, and a spur for some MOW equipment and you've got a traffic generator plus a showcase for the zillions of cars that we all tend to collect.

Shippers Car Line had a private setup like this in Milton, PA for several years, kind of out in the sticks.  The New York Central once had its car shops 10 miles east of its original East Buffalo Yard in Depew, NY if you prefer a railroad prototype located away from major yard facilities and in an outlying small town.

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Posted by rtstasiak on Friday, September 8, 2006 3:21 PM
 Wyonate wrote:

What is a good industry with alot of swtching with alot of different loads I can put on my layout???

 



How about a medium sized car repair shop? Everything breaks down sooner or later and needs some TLC  in the carshop, like the Walthers Cornerstone model in N and HO.  The stock model has 3 tracks, 2 or 3 cars each and is easy to double up.  Add in loco fuel and maintenance (think small),  a couple of tracks for pick ups and set outs, and a spur for some MOW equipment and you've got a traffic generator plus a showcase for the zillions of cars that we all tend to collect.

Shippers Car Line had a private setup like this in Milton, PA for several years, kind of out in the sticks.  The New York Central once had its car shops 10 miles east of its original East Buffalo Yard in Depew, NY if you prefer a railroad prototype located away from major yard facilities and in an outlying small town.

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Posted by rtstasiak on Friday, September 8, 2006 3:25 PM
 Wyonate wrote:

What is a good industry with alot of swtching with alot of different loads I can put on my layout???

 



How about a medium sized car repair shop? Everything breaks down sooner or later and needs some TLC  in the carshop, like the Walthers Cornerstone model in N and HO.  The stock model has 3 tracks, 2 or 3 cars each and is easy to double up.  Add in loco fuel and maintenance (think small),  a couple of tracks for pick ups and set outs, and a spur for some MOW equipment and you've got a traffic generator plus a showcase for the zillions of cars that we all tend to collect.

Shippers Car Line had a private setup like this in Milton, PA for several years, kind of out in the sticks.  The New York Central once had its car shops 10 miles east of its original East Buffalo Yard in Depew, NY if you prefer a railroad prototype located away from major yard facilities and in an outlying small town.

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Posted by tcampbel on Friday, September 8, 2006 3:46 PM

It's already been mentioned, but nothing beats an interchange for wide ranging freedom of load type and there is plenty o' switching. 

Team tracks are the next best thing IMHO.  

As an aside, I've come across some interesting documentation where a siding that looks like a private industry siding was actually thought of and used as a team track by SP.

This was from a 1935 California Railroad Commission case where WP thought they were being overcharged for switching service to what they thought was the private siding of a wholesale grocery- but the SP convinced the commission that because the siding was in fact owned by SP (on a city street) and other consignees used the siding (albeit infrequently) it was, and should be treated for tariff purposes, as a team track. 

SP had a least a couple of situations like that on my beloved R Street.   :-) 


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Posted by whitman500 on Friday, September 8, 2006 4:07 PM

How about modeling an industrial park?  While this is not truly one industry, you could plausibly have a number of small outfits in the same area on the outskirts of a town.  This is what I am doing on my layout.  I have a downtown area and behind that along the backdrop, I'm using several of Walthers' background buildings to model an industrial park/district.  Each individual building is a different small industry that requires a different type of car.  Plus, you get complicated switching to serve each siding. 

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Posted by chadw on Saturday, September 9, 2006 10:03 AM
A steel mill will give you almost any car type and plenty of spurs to switch.  You can even custom paint a plant switcher.  Only it will take up your whole layout space unless you focus on one operation or put most of the processes in staging.
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Posted by rtstasiak on Saturday, September 9, 2006 12:02 PM
Sorry for the triple post about a car shop.  Once would have done it!

Rich

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