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Athearn as release the F9 in the Genesis line.
http://www.athearn.com/Search/Default.aspx?SearchTerm=F9+ATHG&CatID=THLD
Larry
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Athearn has some F9As in their Genesis line. Here's a link to the F9 page:
Bachmann also has some much cheaper F9s in HO. You may be able to find one of the original "Super 8 Wheel Drive" units, or pull one out of a fairly new Bachmann train set that has the newer mechanism made for the FTAs. Or you could just repower one with a pancake motor using a Stewart or Hobbytown mechanism.
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I have about 6 of those.
Anybody know if F-9s look like late model F-7s? Now that I am modeling the GN, I have no need for F-9s But need some Phase II F-7s.
James
Oh yes..The Stewart F9..Yes Bowser still has 'em.
http://www.bowserorders.com/
Bowser also has the phase 2 F7
grayfox1119 wrote:Thanks guys, I guess I missed these in the catalogs that I received.......67 year old eyes are playing tricks with me. Much appreciated
Only 87 each F9A's were built. The Original F unit body style was replaced by the Geeps, (GP9's) and the passenger service by that time was in trouble. The Genesis model is the best F9A available but only a few railroads ( 10 ) got them. Maybe they were not as popular as the F3A or F7A because they were at the end of production.
James,
The GN had some late model(ph 2) F7's that are very similar to an F9. These engines were like the F9, but did not have the 5th air intake with the forward porthole moved back like the F9. The ph 2 F7 production started around June/July of 1952. IIRC, the GN did have 4 F9B units that were part of an order that was delivered after the cut-over to the F9 series in 1954. By that time, the GN was ordering D/B GP9's in the 700 series for road freight work. The parallel NP continued ordering F9's for both freight(7000 series) and passenger(6700 series) service.
Jim
Modeling BNSF and Milwaukee Road in SW Wisconsin
Stick an L in there...
WHY NO FL9's!!!
Its not like the New Haven FL9 didn't make the 7th most wanted HO model on MR's list in 2004... New Haven, Penn Central (several schemes), Conrail, Amtrak, Metro North (several schemes), Connecticut DOT (NH), Metro North (Hudson Anniversary NYCentral Scheme), Morristown & Erie, Maine Eastern. Thats 9 roads, and an active revenue service life longer than an F9 and probably any other F unit sans 1 F10.
The ATSF also had some F9s and if I remember correctly, there really wasn't a noticable difference btwn the F7 and F9s. What mattered was how the railroad ordered the units. ATSF's F9s were externally different to GN's F9s. ATSF's F9s couldn't be distuingeshed from their F7s. ATSF's F9s were freight units only
Ch/psngrtrn
MP 53 on the BNSF Topeka Sub
Guys, here's a very easy spotting feature:
F7's have 4 grills between the portholes.
F9s have 5 grills. The extra grill is located in front of the forward porthole.
Hope this helps.
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Glad it was helpful Grayfox.
If I'm not mistaken, you can go to http://www.railpictures.net
There are plenty of "F unit" photos on there. Under locomotives, select F9. One of the photos is an excellent shot of a Clinchfield unit with that 5th grill on the Fireman's side.
Peace.
Bachmann also makes an F9 in N scale. However, I believe it can only be bought within the McKinley Explorer set and the Explorer set (a bit redundent). Alaska and Santa Fe respectively. They aren't bad units. I have the McKinley Explorer, and it is a great set. Gotta love full length dome cars.
So if any N scale guys or gals are looking for F9s...Bachmann.
Scott - Dispatcher, Norfolk Southern
R.T.POTEET wrote:Sorry there AntonioFP45 but you're going to have to give me some visual evidence on this one; when you start talking about grills in front of portholes "FP7" and "FP9" screams at me.
O.K,
As I'm typing this.......I'm staring at my Atlas FP7. It has 4 Grills between the portholes, same as a standard F7.
Just go to http://www.railpictures.net
When you get there, click on locomotives. When the choices open up, scroll down to F9. Click on that and you'll see some very good photos. Look at the gray and yellow Clinchfield F9. It has a total of 5 grills (or vents).
Afterwards do another search and select F7. You'll see dozens of photos. Notice that they have 4 grills between the portholes.
Peace and High Greens
R.T.POTEET wrote:I don't even know about the roof fans; I understood that the primary difference beween F7s and F9 was 250 horses; cosmetically the F9 had a grommet on the headlight - coincidentally the same distinguishing feature between an E8 and an E9. They were so rare that they had been out of production for over twenty years before I first saw one running at a tourist operation someplace in the 1980s.And FL9s - I'd like an RS1325; think I'll ever get one???
Apples and oranges. Besides, did that make the top 10 MR list?
We'll see an FL-9...and everyone who whined like they did about the DL-109 can eat their words when they sell out... Some of you people seriously need to get over your biases.
David_Telesha wrote: R.T.POTEET wrote:I don't even know about the roof fans; I understood that the primary difference beween F7s and F9 was 250 horses; cosmetically the F9 had a grommet on the headlight - coincidentally the same distinguishing feature between an E8 and an E9. They were so rare that they had been out of production for over twenty years before I first saw one running at a tourist operation someplace in the 1980s.And FL9s - I'd like an RS1325; think I'll ever get one??? Apples and oranges. Besides, did that make the top 10 MR list? We'll see an FL-9...and everyone who whined like they did about the DL-109 can eat their words when they sell out... Some of you people seriously need to get over your biases.
I'm with you Dave! Just my opinion, but from info and forums I've read in the past several years there are New Haven, Penn Central, Conrail, and Amtrak fans that want to see an FL9 or two rolling on their layouts.
David_Telesha wrote: Stick an L in there... WHY NO FL9's!!! Its not like the New Haven FL9 didn't make the 7th most wanted HO model on MR's list in 2004... New Haven, Penn Central (several schemes), Conrail, Amtrak, Metro North (several schemes), Connecticut DOT (NH), Metro North (Hudson Anniversary NYCentral Scheme), Morristown & Erie, Maine Eastern. Thats 9 roads, and an active revenue service life longer than an F9 and probably any other F unit sans 1 F10.
Maybe because unlike all the other "F" units out there the FL9 would require a whole new chassis and a rather unique truck set up???
Charlie wrote: The ATSF also had some F9s and if I remember correctly, there really wasn't a noticable difference btwn the F7 and F9s. What mattered was how the railroad ordered the units. ATSF's F9s were externally different to GN's F9s. ATSF's F9s couldn't be distuingeshed from their F7s. ATSF's F9s were freight units only Ch/psngrtrn
The difference in the Santa Fe F9A and the F7A is the small vent or grill that was placed forward of the front porthole. The F9A has five total side vents in line with the portholes and the F7A has 4 total vents. The additional vent and the gasket around the headlight was the only thing way I use for spotting the difference.
R.T.POTEET wrote: SnipAnd FL9s - I'd like an RS1325; think I'll ever get one???
SnipAnd FL9s - I'd like an RS1325; think I'll ever get one???
A RS1325 was imported by Train Inc in the 60s and these can be found by checking around for use brass engines...I doubt if you will see one produce today since EMD built 2 and both went to C&IM.
modlerbob wrote:Maybe because unlike all the other "F" units out there the FL9 would require a whole new chassis and a rather unique truck set up???
That doesn't seem to stop the production of other new models, nor CMT who is doing a CPA24-5 on a B-A1A chassis.
My observation is the benefit will out way the loss of making an FL-9...when you are talking about New Haven modelers, let alone Amtrak, PC, and the others...you are talking about a bunch who will yank the wallet out for everything good. Heck, our NHRHTA has enough interest for special runs from Atlas... There seems to be a lot of un-ending interest in an FL-9, primarily due to their long service life in the most populated area of the US....you'd be hard pressed to find a want thread where the FL-9 hasn't be mentioned, and by a number of different people..not just me.
R.T.POTEET wrote:Okay there AntonioFP45; the next sound you hear will be me biting the bullet; actually, the next sound you hear will be me kicking the dog!!!
Not a problem. Did you see the photos at Railpictures?
Who ever came up with that website deserves a salute.