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WHY NO F9's !!
Posted by grayfox1119 on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:23 PM
I have noticed that most if not all of the Mfgrs have many F7's of various road names listed, but try to find an F9!!! Are F9's so close in design with just a few "cosmetic" changes like the fans on top, that they don't bother to make them?
The Conway Scenic RR in New Hampshire has F9's, former B&M and CN units, and I am trying to model that era in NE.
Any info guys ??
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Posted by GDRMCo on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:27 PM
If I'm not mistaken Athearn makes them.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:40 PM

Athearn as release the F9 in the Genesis line.

http://www.athearn.com/Search/Default.aspx?SearchTerm=F9+ATHG&CatID=THLD

 

 

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Posted by Darth Santa Fe on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:43 PM

Athearn has some F9As in their Genesis line. Here's a link to the F9 page:

http://www.athearn.com/Search/Default.aspx?SearchTerm=F9+ATHG&CatID=THLD

Bachmann also has some much cheaper F9s in HO. You may be able to find one of the original "Super 8 Wheel Drive" units, or pull one out of a fairly new Bachmann train set that has the newer mechanism made for the FTAs.Big Smile [:D] Or you could just repower one with a pancake motor using a Stewart or Hobbytown mechanism.Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by grayfox1119 on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:47 PM
Thanks guys, I guess I missed these in the catalogs that I received.......67 year old eyes are playing tricks with me.

Much appreciated
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Posted by jsoderq on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:50 PM
Stewart also did F-9 as I have one. Don't know if Bowser has released any or not. Might be worth checking.
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Posted by Master of Big Sky Blue on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:59 PM

I have about 6 of those.

Anybody know if F-9s look like late model F-7s? Now that I am modeling the GN, I have no need for F-9s But need some Phase II F-7s.

 

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Posted by BRAKIE on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:11 PM

Oh yes..The Stewart F9..Yes Bowser still has 'em.

 

http://www.bowserorders.com/

 

Bowser also has the phase 2 F7

 

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Posted by CAZEPHYR on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:38 PM

 grayfox1119 wrote:
Thanks guys, I guess I missed these in the catalogs that I received.......67 year old eyes are playing tricks with me. Much appreciated

 

Only 87 each F9A's were built.  The Original F unit body style was replaced by the Geeps, (GP9's) and the passenger service by that time was in trouble.   The Genesis model is the best F9A available but only a few railroads ( 10 ) got them.  Maybe they were not as popular as the F3A or F7A because they were at the end of production.

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Posted by jrbernier on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:44 PM

James,

  The GN had some late model(ph 2) F7's that are very similar to an F9.  These engines were like the F9, but did not have the 5th air intake with the forward porthole moved back like the F9.  The ph 2 F7 production started around June/July of 1952.  IIRC, the GN did have 4 F9B units that were part of an order that was delivered after the cut-over to the F9 series in 1954.  By that time, the GN was ordering D/B GP9's in the 700 series for road freight work.  The parallel NP continued ordering F9's for both freight(7000 series) and passenger(6700 series) service.

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Posted by David_Telesha on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:03 PM

Stick an L in there...

WHY NO FL9's!!!

Its not like the New Haven FL9 didn't make the 7th most wanted HO model on MR's list in 2004... New Haven, Penn Central (several schemes), Conrail, Amtrak, Metro North (several schemes), Connecticut DOT (NH), Metro North (Hudson Anniversary NYCentral Scheme), Morristown & Erie, Maine Eastern. Thats 9 roads, and an active revenue service life longer than an F9 and probably any other F unit sans 1 F10.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:22 PM
Athearn and Stewart my friend.  But they look the same as F7s almost.
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Posted by Charlie on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:52 PM

The ATSF also had some F9s and if I remember correctly, there really wasn't a noticable difference btwn the F7 and F9s. What mattered was how the railroad ordered the units. ATSF's F9s were externally different to GN's F9s. ATSF's F9s couldn't be distuingeshed from their F7s. ATSF's F9s were freight units only

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:40 PM
I don't even know about the roof fans; I understood that the primary difference beween F7s and F9 was 250 horses; cosmetically the F9 had a grommet on the headlight - coincidentally the same distinguishing feature between an E8 and an E9.  They were so rare that they had been out of production for over twenty years before I first saw one running at a tourist operation someplace in the 1980s.

And FL9s - I'd like an RS1325; think I'll ever get one???
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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:10 PM

Guys, here's a very easy spotting feature:

F7's have 4 grills between the portholes. 

F9s have 5 grills.  The extra grill is located in front of the forward porthole.

Hope this helps.Wink [;)]

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Posted by grayfox1119 on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:32 PM
AntonioFP45: Thank you for the physical differences. With none around here to check out the differences personally, I would have to find engineering drawings somewhere, or a very detailed photo of each. Maybe the internet has something somewhere also, but with you experts online, the answers come much quicker and to the point.
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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:16 PM

Glad it was helpful Grayfox.

If I'm not mistaken, you can go to http://www.railpictures.net

There are plenty of "F unit" photos on there. Under locomotives, select F9.  One of the photos is an excellent shot of a Clinchfield unit with that 5th grill on the Fireman's side.

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Posted by TrainFreak409 on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:37 PM

Bachmann also makes an F9 in N scale. However, I believe it can only be bought within the McKinley Explorer set and the Explorer set (a bit redundent). Alaska and Santa Fe respectively. They aren't bad units. I have the McKinley Explorer, and it is a great set. Gotta love full length dome cars.

So if any N scale guys or gals are looking for F9s...Bachmann.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:56 PM
Sorry there AntonioFP45 but you're going to have to give me some visual evidence on this one; when you start talking about grills in front of portholes "FP7" and "FP9" screams at me.
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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:29 AM

 R.T.POTEET wrote:
Sorry there AntonioFP45 but you're going to have to give me some visual evidence on this one; when you start talking about grills in front of portholes "FP7" and "FP9" screams at me.

O.K,

As I'm typing this.......I'm staring at my Atlas FP7.  It has 4 Grills between the portholes, same as a standard F7. 

Just go to http://www.railpictures.net

When you get there, click on locomotives.  When the choices open up, scroll down to F9.  Click on that and you'll see some very good photos.  Look at the gray and yellow Clinchfield F9.  It has a total of 5 grills (or vents).

Afterwards do another search and select F7.  You'll see dozens of photos.  Notice that they have 4 grills between the portholes.

Hope this helps.

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Posted by David_Telesha on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:47 AM

 R.T.POTEET wrote:
I don't even know about the roof fans; I understood that the primary difference beween F7s and F9 was 250 horses; cosmetically the F9 had a grommet on the headlight - coincidentally the same distinguishing feature between an E8 and an E9.  They were so rare that they had been out of production for over twenty years before I first saw one running at a tourist operation someplace in the 1980s.

And FL9s - I'd like an RS1325; think I'll ever get one???

Apples and oranges. Besides, did that make the top 10 MR list?

We'll see an FL-9...and everyone who whined like they did about the DL-109 can eat their words when they sell out... Some of you people seriously need to get over your biases.

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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:08 AM
 David_Telesha wrote:

 R.T.POTEET wrote:
I don't even know about the roof fans; I understood that the primary difference beween F7s and F9 was 250 horses; cosmetically the F9 had a grommet on the headlight - coincidentally the same distinguishing feature between an E8 and an E9.  They were so rare that they had been out of production for over twenty years before I first saw one running at a tourist operation someplace in the 1980s.

And FL9s - I'd like an RS1325; think I'll ever get one???

Apples and oranges. Besides, did that make the top 10 MR list?

We'll see an FL-9...and everyone who whined like they did about the DL-109 can eat their words when they sell out... Some of you people seriously need to get over your biases.

I'm with you Dave!  Just my opinion, but from info and forums I've read in the past several years there are New Haven, Penn Central, Conrail, and Amtrak fans that want to see an FL9 or two rolling on their layouts.Captain [4:-)]Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:43 AM
 David_Telesha wrote:

Stick an L in there...

WHY NO FL9's!!!

Its not like the New Haven FL9 didn't make the 7th most wanted HO model on MR's list in 2004... New Haven, Penn Central (several schemes), Conrail, Amtrak, Metro North (several schemes), Connecticut DOT (NH), Metro North (Hudson Anniversary NYCentral Scheme), Morristown & Erie, Maine Eastern. Thats 9 roads, and an active revenue service life longer than an F9 and probably any other F unit sans 1 F10.

Maybe because unlike all the other "F" units out there the FL9 would require a whole new chassis and a rather unique truck set up???

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Posted by CAZEPHYR on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:12 PM
 Charlie wrote:

The ATSF also had some F9s and if I remember correctly, there really wasn't a noticable difference btwn the F7 and F9s. What mattered was how the railroad ordered the units. ATSF's F9s were externally different to GN's F9s. ATSF's F9s couldn't be distuingeshed from their F7s. ATSF's F9s were freight units only

Ch/psngrtrn

The difference in the Santa Fe F9A and the F7A is the small vent or grill that was placed forward of the front porthole.  The F9A has five total side vents in line with the portholes and the F7A has 4 total vents.  The additional vent and the gasket around the headlight was the only thing way I use for spotting the difference.

 

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Posted by BRAKIE on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:47 PM

 R.T.POTEET wrote:

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And FL9s - I'd like an RS1325; think I'll ever get one???

A RS1325 was imported by Train Inc in the 60s and these can be found  by checking around for use brass engines...I doubt if you will see one produce today since EMD built 2 and both went to C&IM.

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Posted by David_Telesha on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:05 PM

 modlerbob wrote:
Maybe because unlike all the other "F" units out there the FL9 would require a whole new chassis and a rather unique truck set up???

That doesn't seem to stop the production of other new models, nor CMT who is doing a CPA24-5 on a B-A1A chassis.

My observation is the benefit will out way the loss of making an FL-9...when you are talking about New Haven modelers, let alone Amtrak, PC, and the others...you are talking about a bunch who will yank the wallet out for everything good. Heck, our NHRHTA has enough interest for special runs from Atlas... There seems to be a lot of un-ending interest in an FL-9, primarily due to their long service life in the most populated area of the US....you'd be hard pressed to find a want thread where the FL-9 hasn't be mentioned, and by a number of different people..not just me.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:18 PM
Go too Firsthobby.com click on trains then go to engines in HO scroll down and click on Stewart They have F3 F7 F9 and Ft i own several Stewarts F7 and F9 A-B sets they run fantastic, hope this helps. P.S. Firsthobby is about  60.00 cheaper than the Bowser site.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:26 PM
Okay there AntonioFP45; the next sound you hear will be me biting the bullet; actually, the next sound you hear will be me kicking the dog!!!

And the next is for all of you guys out there with those fantabulous senses of humor: I know that the RS1325 was custom built exclusively for C&IM and that they were the only ones that wanted one  - actually two, wasn't it? - and I don't really want one.  The purpose of the irony of my comment was that I will get an RS1325 (in plastic - brass is something else again) two weeks before you get an FL9 (in plastic - brass is something else again)!!!
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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:35 PM

 R.T.POTEET wrote:
Okay there AntonioFP45; the next sound you hear will be me biting the bullet; actually, the next sound you hear will be me kicking the dog!!!
  No, no......not the dog!! Shock [:O]Clown [:o)](maybe a congressman instead)Wink [;)]

Not a problem.  Did you see the photos at Railpictures? 

Who ever came up with that website deserves a salute.

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