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New forum complaints thread...
Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Friday, July 14, 2006 9:28 PM
Just thought it would be nice to have a single, easy-to-find thread for all the complaints and problems with the new forum style.

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Posted by tstage on Friday, July 14, 2006 9:37 PM
Matthew,

May I offer a suggestion?  How 'bout instead of this culminating into a pure "gripe session", we list what things we DO like about the new format, as well as what things we aren't crazy about or miss from the old format?  Complaints over things that are wrong are much easier to shallow when they are accompanied and balanced by praise for what things that are right.

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Posted by timthechef on Friday, July 14, 2006 9:45 PM
I don't understand why we always have to look for things to complain about. It's going to take all of us a little while to get used to this new format. Instead of having a complaint thread let's have a thread disscussing the new features.
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Posted by tstage on Friday, July 14, 2006 9:48 PM

Smile [:)] I like the My Forums format that lists all the threads that I've either posted or posted on.

Sad [:(] I miss seeing who is viewing a particular thread at the bottom of the page.


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Posted by james saunders on Friday, July 14, 2006 9:49 PM

c'mon matt... this is rather silly...

 

I have had no such problems as yet

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Posted by selector on Friday, July 14, 2006 9:54 PM

I'm going to lend some support to poor ol' Matthew.   I think his mind is in the right place, if not his heart.  Let's be fair and agree that we have had a plethora of complaining threads that have, quite frankly, cluttered up the first two days of the forum.  Of course those people have legitimate beefs if things aren't working as described/advertised, but it seems to be much more economical, if for Bergie's sake, to have all the compaints in a single thread.  I think that is what Matt was offering us, not just another thread.

 

Good thinking, Matt.

 

-Crandell

 

Edit- I guess I might as well add my own complaint.  It appears that my experience with the old system, whereby I would click on the link to a particular thread on the forum title page and have to wait sometimes for up to 40 seconds for it to load, or it would time out altogether, has not changed.  This phenomenon has followed me to this forum.  Just happened.   GRRRRRRRRR!Angry [:(!]

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Posted by james saunders on Friday, July 14, 2006 10:00 PM
I see where your coming from, and yes all there has been is basically complaint threads.

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Posted by SOU Fan on Friday, July 14, 2006 10:24 PM

Signing in on the old forum was better, and I liked the quick post option on the old one also.  also the smileys were better.

 

I like that it's easie to change size and color though.

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Posted by Pathfinder on Friday, July 14, 2006 10:45 PM

I like this idea as it does put all the pros and cons on one site.

I am a new user and do not have the history behind me of the old site.  I am also active on a couple of automotive sites and can offer some comparisons.

Pro: amazing what it did when I copied an article from the CBC News web site about CN wanting to bury a wrecked locomotive.  ALL the formatting and even a link to the article came over in one easy copy and paste.  Very cool!

Con: really poor organization, very hard for a newbie like me to find any posts more than a few days or weeks old.  I suggest that people check out   http://www.cartalkcanada.com/forum/index.php to get an idea of what a well organized web site looks like.  The Trains/railroad forum here has 15,824 threads on 615 pages.  Pretty tough to find anything old, and the search function does not seem to work all that well, so it is little help.

Why do the smileyies not have pictures?

Inserting pictures could be easier.

Some have noted how easily it is to make posts look nice but the forum has to function well to be useful.  I hate having to start a new topic when there is a good chance there already is a post on it but I can not find it.

My two bits (cdn Wink [;)])

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Posted by GearDrivenSteam on Friday, July 14, 2006 11:07 PM
I am General Manager for a model railroad forum myself, and I just spent the last three days reorganizing our entire site, so I know first hand what kinda work goes into it. I think this site is very nice now. A lot of hard work went into all of this. Folks, this is a lot to be getting for free. Now, all of that being said, here is an idea. I might be missing something, but are there any clear cut instructions for posting pictures on the site? I haven't found any. Being familiar with HTML coding, I don't have any trouble myself. A lot of people don't know HTML, so it could be difficult for them. That's the only "problem" I've seen so far, and it's easy to correct.
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Posted by cwclark on Friday, July 14, 2006 11:15 PM
in a nut shell ...this new forum really blows...i hate computers in the first place and trying to learn how to navigate all over again is so frustrating..i wish they would just leave things alone...can't get my avatar to work...won't take any of my pictures...no more stars.... so it's gonna be a long time until i return to this site if ever...think 'ill just hang out at all the other railroad web sites.......chuck

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Posted by vsmith on Friday, July 14, 2006 11:48 PM

we need an....

IMAGE ICON

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in the toolbars

so we dont have to hand type in the Censored [censored] Censored [censored] [ img][ /img] brackets !!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:26 AM
 trainboyH16-44 wrote:
Just thought it would be nice to have a single, easy-to-find thread for all the complaints and problems with the new forum style.

I agree, my first complaint was all the threads with comments, questions, and complaints about the new site!
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Posted by fsm1000 on Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:51 AM
Other than been more 'pretty' to some, I find nothing particularly good about the 'new and improved' forums.
If they had more subjects for instance, [an O scale area, a scratchbuilding area, etc etc like other forums], If they had some decent easy to use AND UNDERSTAND instructions would have been nice.
Only thing for info I have seen is something written by some one who assumes you know stuff already, sheesh.

Way too many complaints from people who have lost links, photos, articles etc etc.
I don't see many happy people here.
Again, except mostly those who get paid or endorsed by MR of course. They are happy.

It sucks but what the heck. It is free and it belongs to them so they can screw us any which way they dang well feel like and we have to take or leave and we have no say in the matter.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:29 AM

Just testing. Laugh [(-D] Yeah needs an image icon.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-4/1169217/AD60Garratt.jpg" border="0" />

I must be typing incorrectly.   There is no explanation in the FAQ, or am I so thick that I cannot find it?

SoapBox [soapbox] And it would have been nice to see what the smilies look like before putting one in.

Bummer.  I used to know how to post photos, but can't hack it in the brave new world.  Someone point out what I am doing wrong please.

 

 

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Posted by CAZEPHYR on Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:35 AM

The new forum is very good, free, and we can have a lot of great conversation while sharing our experiences on Model Railroading.    I don't want to complain about that.

We should start a thread and thank MR for the web page.   After all, we did nothing to get it going except to register and use up time for free.   

 Be grateful that it works well with very little problems overall. 

After you start your own forum, take complaints and fix them.  

If we complain about everything that happens or about things we don't like, there will no time for fun.

I might complain about the lack of time for fun.

 

 

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Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:43 AM
You guys are right...I did come off as a little negative. Maybe we should start calling it "The Constructive Criticism and Technical Problems Thread"....

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 15, 2006 2:00 AM

Hey Matthew,

I didn't consider it negative.  But if you want a new name then "New Forum Complaints and Compliments" would be shorter.

Why is it that you are the only one who has all those stars?  Or did you put them in your avatar or whatever they call that thing.  Hey I just looked that word up in my dictionary.  What it says:

"(In Hindu Mythology) descent of a diety etc. to earth in bodily form."

Guess that is what it used to mean before some geek hijacked it to mean a little picture near one's name on the MR forum.Tongue [:P]

 

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Posted by jeffers_mz on Saturday, July 15, 2006 3:14 AM
No complaints here, everything works well, and I think the Bergster and crew deserve a big thumbs up for a smooth transition.
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Posted by bogp40 on Saturday, July 15, 2006 6:25 AM

Bergie and crew,

You did a great job. Could care less about stars, my only concern is the not showing number of pages at top and bottom and in a convenient spot. I used to like the line on each forum and topic of how many guests, members etc were on at the time. We will get used to the new format anyway. The reply/ quote could be confusing to someone new.

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Posted by pedromorgan on Saturday, July 15, 2006 6:52 AM

i miss the fast reply button at the bottom of the thread. i liked being able to see the entire thread for reference when i was relpying to a post.

i like the much smaller signiture pictures. they were getting rediculous.

i find the first page this one - http://www.trains.com/trccs/forums/ confusing. could we have the magazine logos next to the relevane section for that forum. i keep accidently posting in the garden railways and classic trains forum! i see "general discussion" and click on it. i dont register that i am on a different mags forum.

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Posted by CNJ831 on Saturday, July 15, 2006 7:06 AM

 fsm1000 wrote:
Other than been more 'pretty' to some, I find nothing particularly good about the 'new and improved' forums.
If they had more subjects for instance, [an O scale area, a scratchbuilding area, etc etc like other forums], If they had some decent easy to use AND UNDERSTAND instructions would have been nice.
Only thing for info I have seen is something written by some one who assumes you know stuff already, sheesh.

Way too many complaints from people who have lost links, photos, articles etc etc.
I don't see many happy people here.
Again, except mostly those who get paid or endorsed by MR of course. They are happy.

It sucks but what the heck. It is free and it belongs to them so they can screw us any which way they dang well feel like and we have to take or leave and we have no say in the matter.
SNAFU as the military says :D

I have to pretty much agree with fsm here. All I see is added glitz for computer junkies and those on the fringe of the hobby and less substance for people truly interested in the supposed real pursuit...in many respects the same as was done in the last revamping of Model Railroader magazine's format!

When I first joined this forum, years ago, I believed it was supposed to mainly be about sharing serious knowledge concerning model railroading. However, it seems that to some of the latest posters here, it's more about having a glitzy appearance to the forum with lotsa wasted space, extra smilies, control over the color and size of fonts, etc. Functionally, the old forum was better, more efficient, could do more things of real value to the serious hobbyist more simply, and was easier to operate under. I can't even easily relocate the topics I read just yesterday, let along post an image link with just a click, as formerly! Change isn't necessarily always for the best.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 15, 2006 7:11 AM
IM JUST GLAD THE STARS ARE GONE.
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Posted by modelmaker51 on Saturday, July 15, 2006 10:14 AM

 BNSFrailfan wrote:
IM JUST GLAD THE STARS ARE GONE.
except for the idiots that have put them in their avitars.

I have to agree with a previous poster, the old forum was much easier to use.

New forum:

>No right-click cut & paste

>You can only review the last post as you're replying

>Posting pictures has become a PITA

>Signiature photos get cut off, no re-sizing

>You can't see who's on the site when you are anymore

I'm sorry, I love MR, but this new site only gets a C- from me. I used to look forward to reading and posting here, but now it's starting to become a chore from a purely functionality point of view.

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Posted by bnnrailroad on Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:14 AM

My biggest complaint is the fact that I had bookmarked some threads that were going to help me with my new layout. Well, guess what...they don't work anymore.

 

The search function is a bit out of wack to. It took me an hour to find one of MY threads.

 

Sheesh.

 

Other then that....lifes good.

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Posted by jfugate on Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:34 AM
 fsm1000 wrote:
Other than been more 'pretty' to some, I find nothing particularly good about the 'new and improved' forums.

Way too many complaints from people who have lost links, photos, articles etc etc.
I don't see many happy people here.
Again, except mostly those who get paid or endorsed by MR of course. They are happy.

It sucks but what the heck. It is free and it belongs to them so they can screw us any which way they dang well feel like and we have to take or leave and we have no say in the matter.
SNAFU as the military says :D


fsm:

Care to tell us what you really think?

I'm not a complainer by nature -- it has nothing to do with whether or not my material has been published by MR. I 've been doing professional web development since 1994 and I know how complex site upgrades can be. Typical large sites like MR's site consist of thousands of web pages and even more thousands of pieces-parts that all need to get upgraded and made to play together nicely. It can take some time to work it all out, so it's best to take more of a wait-and-see attitude.

This new forum uses CommunityServer's software and that software has lots of neat plug-ins to give extra features. I expect once the dust settles from this upgrade that Bergie will be taking a look at installing some more features to make things work better.

I agree the search engine functionality for this forum has serious problems, and with the loss of our old links, this is a significant issue that needs to be addressed.

Yes, the upgrade totally hosed all our old links and they are now completely worthless. That's a significant loss, but I don't know of any easy way to convert web page links short of writing some custom software to correct them. At my company where I work, we have dozens of full time software developers to do this sort of thing, and we do -- but then we have 4000 employees.

Kalmbach has what, 300 employees, and can afford mabye 1 or 2 full time web folks, and they are necessarily generalists and not specialized like the dozens of web developers we have where I work.

I just know what you can and cannot do with web technology as it stands today, so I'm less critical of what overall was a smooth upgrade on Bergie's part.

Your implication that if we like something on the newly upgraded MR site then we are a "plant" is just plain silly.

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Posted by RRTrainman on Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:29 PM

 BNSFrailfan wrote:
IM JUST GLAD THE STARS ARE GONE.

So I'm I!!!!SoapBox [soapbox]

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Posted by RRTrainman on Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:34 PM
 modelmaker51 wrote:

 BNSFrailfan wrote:
IM JUST GLAD THE STARS ARE GONE.
except for the idiots that have put them in their avitars.

I have to agree with a previous poster, the old forum was much easier to use.

New forum:

>No right-click cut & paste

>You can only review the last post as you're replying

>Posting pictures has become a PITA

>Signiature photos get cut off, no re-sizing

>You can't see who's on the site when you are anymore

I'm sorry, I love MR, but this new site only gets a C- from me. I used to look forward to reading and posting here, but now it's starting to become a chore from a purely functionality point of view.

I'm still trying to get used to this new forum.  YES the stars are gone and my 300 some posts. My 2 cents [2c]

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Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:25 PM
 modelmaker51 wrote:

 BNSFrailfan wrote:
IM JUST GLAD THE STARS ARE GONE.
except for the idiots that have put them in their avitars.

Like Bergie, eh? Care to explain what's wrong with that? In the old forum, the complete problem with them was trying to get them by posting nonsense - Now that's gone, they're just another avatar.

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Posted by DFORD on Saturday, July 15, 2006 2:57 PM
My complaint is this:  In the old forum, you could easily identify topics that had been posted since your last visit; because they were color coded purple and the "old" posts were color coded yellow.  I have tried using the options at the bottom of the new forum, and I can get newly posted topics on page 1.  Unfortunately, if the number of new topics extends beyond page 1, they disappear when I click on page 2 or beyond.  If I am doing something wrong, I would appreciate some help; however, if this is a problem in the software, I hope it will be fixed. 

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