Boeing 737 cars

[zgardner18]

Guys,

When I was up at school in Montana I would see these Boeing Fuselages come by once in a while. LBF makes the parts cars, but no one that I know of makes the setup for the fuselages or the fuselage itself. Am I wrong? Has anyone tried to model this car setup and plane, and if so how did you do so? I'm trying to model it in HO.

[Anonymous]

Modeling the 737 would be tough. The flat car could probably be done with a modified Accurail 89" flat car.

The 737 Best bet would probably be to find a 1/72 scale model. and cut it down every part in length width and hight to get it into the right scale. My dad did that with an old Revell 1/64 X-15 to mount under his NB52 with X-15 Combo (1/72 scake) he kitbashed. Took him 18 months to get it all right. This was done about 8 years before Monogram came out with the combination in 1/72scale.

James

[loathar]

The only thing I can think of is seeing little pre built jet models at the airport. Things that Boeing would put out to be sold in the gift shops. Some of these may be smaller than 1/72. I've seen small die cast planes at Wally world that where very close to HO, but they where things like F-16's and Stealth fighters.

[Anonymous]

As a Boeing security officer I am surrounded by the trains all the time that come into the Boeing plants. Especially the containers that haul 747, 767 and 777 piecest to Everett. These containers are oversize and the two engines that are used as power on these trains are specially configured to handle the steep grade (steepest in the US im told). Boeing has a very rich railroad industry, especially in the early days that would make for some great modeling. I think the model in the picture would be easy to create. Simply convert a "metal" flatcar, not plywood, and find a model plane of suitibal size to modify. One word of caution that I must say, do not even think of standing outside Boeing property to take photos of the trains. This is frowned upon and your pics confescated all thanks to the stupid terrorists. Boeing.com does have several pics on its website that may be helpful. Maybe one of the companies will see that there is a market for Boeing rail cars and start producing them (hint hint Walthers, Atheren) I mean there are models of the Seattle Sounder commuter train, why not the Boeing cars?

[Anonymous]

In South Wichita, KS - At the SPIRIT plant, formely Boeing; The cars are hauled out pretty quick and dropped off at the small BNSF yard in Wichita where they are put into trains headed to WA.

[csmith9474]

Just get a wooden dowel about the right diameter, and carve out a fueselage.

See how easy I made that sound.[;)]

[bpickering]

QUOTE: Originally posted by zgardner18

Guys,

When I was up at school in Montana I would see these Boeing Fuselages come by once in a while. LBF makes the parts cars, but no one that I know of makes the setup for the fuselages or the fuselage itself. Am I wrong? Has anyone tried to model this car setup and plane, and if so how did you do so? I'm trying to model it in HO.

I've read an article about this in the past couple of months (living on the Seattle East Side, I've seen a couple of them as well, unloaded-only unfortunately).

I'm THINKING, but can't confirm right now (darn cubicle at office... no room for fun books), that the article was in the NMRA book, "Modelling Open Loads" (go about half-way down the homepage at http://www.nmra.org/).

I can check when I get home, if someone reminds me.... :-)

Brian Pickering

[nbrodar]

Check out the July 2005 NMRA Scale Rails, if you can. The author simply used a 1/144 scale 707 fuselage.

Nick

[bpickering]

QUOTE: Originally posted by nbrodar

Check out the July 2005 NMRA Scale Rails, if you can. The author simply used a 1/144 scale 707 fuselage.

Well, I was half right! It is an NMRA publication....

Brian

[rrgrassi]

Aviation sites would have 737 fuselage specs as to diameter and length. Then use the tube styrene for the cylinder shape and some wood for the tail and nose sections. I do remember reading in Popular Mechanics when the 777 came out that one of it's engines had the same diameter as a 737 fuselage.

[GAPPLEG]

Check SQUADRON.com , I'd have to look myself but they have models of all sorts of planes. Did a check most are 144 scale. There are some military models kc-135 etc in 1/72.

[Anonymous]

I became interested in building one of these cars while living in Seattle several years ago. I seem to recall seeing one near Golden Gardens park there.

I found a website where someone built one using a 1/100th scale 737 model, which is only a bit undersized, which would be a good thing for model curves. The website is:

http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~keay/planedoc.html

As for finding 1/100th scale 737s, Nitto or Doyusha used to make one, and a Canadian company M & B repackaged these for Canadian airlines. These show up periodically on the auction site. There are also several makers of desktop airliner models in 1/100th scale, such as:

http://www.flightminiatures.com/models.html (which will sell the fuselages separately).

[IRONROOSTER]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csmith9474

Just get a wooden dowel about the right diameter, and carve out a fueselage.

See how easy I made that sound.[;)]

[(-D][(-D][(-D]

Reminds me of the cheap brass locomotive kit from year ago. It was a bar of brass and the instructions said to carve away all the pieces that were not part of the locomotive.
Enjoy
Paul

[zgardner18]

You know I did read an article form some guy that used a Doyusha for his and it came out great I'm posting the picture of his without his permission, so if you see your picture, don't get too mad at me.

I just can't remember who he was and where I came across his website.

[nfmisso]

See:

Aircraft Parts Cars for the Boeing 747
Mainline Modeler, April 1991 page 69
( BOEING, DRAWING, FLATCAR, "KINKAID, JAMES", NMRA-4.19, TBCX, FREIGHTCAR, PROTOTYPE, MM )

[Anonymous]

http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircompat/3d_view.html has some 3d cad drawings. Fred

[Anonymous]

Here is a pic of the prototype.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=137092

Mike in Tulsa
BNSF Cherokee Sub

[Anonymous]

There are some 1/100 scale airliner models out there but I'm not sure whether a 737 was ever done. If there is a 707 or 727 they could be cut to the right length as they shared a common diameter.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by modlerbob

There are some 1/100 scale airliner models out there but I'm not sure whether a 737 was ever done. If there is a 707 or 727 they could be cut to the right length as they shared a common diameter.

The door, stubwing, and empenage on the 707 and 727 are completely different, the three aircraft do share the same section 41 (nose/cockpit). Aft of there they are three different aircraft.

Mike in Tulsa
BNSF Cherokee Sub

[zgardner18]

Now I have seen more than 737s on the trains that run through Montana on their way to Seattle, but then again, they could have been different series: like 737-800 or 737-600. Am I right to say that the 737 has different sizes? In the airliner magazines on the planes when it shows in the back pictures of the fleets, they show different size of 737s. But does the railroad ship other airplanes besides the 737?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mike Rehling

QUOTE: Originally posted by modlerbob

There are some 1/100 scale airliner models out there but I'm not sure whether a 737 was ever done. If there is a 707 or 727 they could be cut to the right length as they shared a common diameter.

The door, stubwing, and empenage on the 707 and 727 are completely different, the three aircraft do share the same section 41 (nose/cockpit). Aft of there they are three different aircraft.

Mike in Tulsa
BNSF Cherokee Sub

That's why I merely stated that the diameter of the fuselage was the same. Heavy modification aft of the cockpit would be required if one was able to obtain a 707 or 727 at the right scale

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by zgardner18

Now I have seen more than 737s on the trains that run through Montana on their way to Seattle, but then again, they could have been different series: like 737-800 or 737-600. Am I right to say that the 737 has different sizes? In the airliner magazines on the planes when it shows in the back pictures of the fleets, they show different size of 737s. But does the railroad ship other airplanes besides the 737?

737's are the only ones moved by rail. The 757/767/777 are Seattle built. Yes the 737 comes in different models -600 is the shortest, -700 is a little longer, -800 is even a little longer and most popular, and the -900 is the longest. Would be difficult to decifer them on the railcar unless you work around them (as I do) everyday. The -200, -300, -400, -500 are out of production. The -600 thru -900 are called Next Generation or NextGen due to the upgraded avionics (glass cockpit) compared to the old analog (dials and guages) cockpit in the -200 thru -500 models.

I model the aircraft parts car made by LBF. The Spirit plant here in Tulsa (used to be Boeing) makes 757/737 wing assemblies and ships them to Renton for final assemby with the fuselage that Wichita makes.

Mike in Tulsa
BNSF Cherokee Sub

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by modlerbob

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mike Rehling

QUOTE: Originally posted by modlerbob

There are some 1/100 scale airliner models out there but I'm not sure whether a 737 was ever done. If there is a 707 or 727 they could be cut to the right length as they shared a common diameter.

The door, stubwing, and empenage on the 707 and 727 are completely different, the three aircraft do share the same section 41 (nose/cockpit). Aft of there they are three different aircraft.

Mike in Tulsa
BNSF Cherokee Sub

That's why I merely stated that the diameter of the fuselage was the same. Heavy modification aft of the cockpit would be required if one was able to obtain a 707 or 727 at the right scale

No problem, I was just pointing it out for those who are not as familiar with the aircraft types you mentioned.

Mike in Tulsa
BNSF Cherokee Sub

[myrail]

Well in response to your question as to if any one has modeled these cars the answer is a definite "yes". I modeled two sets of the 737-700 and two car sets, complete with a fuselages and all the tooling. Took me about six months and now I am blind but then I guess that is what happens as you get older along with no hair.

Best regards
myrail

[TrainFreak409]

Is there anything carried in the odd shaped boxes behind the fuselages on the second flat car?

[myrail]

The box on the rear car was a storage box for returning protective equipment back to Wichita. The box stored lexan covers that went over the openings around the tail (section 48) and forward pressure bulkhead plus covers that went over the wing stub at section 11/44. The box was too small and needed to be moved to the forward car since the idler car would sometimes ship on a later date. So they redesigned the box. By the way, that is a collapsable box meaning it lays down flat when there is a fuselage on board and it is errected when returning to Wichita.

Best Regards
myrail

[Anonymous]

737's are the only ones moved by rail. The 757/767/777 are Seattle built. Yes the 737 comes in different models -600 is the shortest, -700 is a little longer, -800 is even a little longer and most popular, and the -900 is the longest. Would be difficult to decifer them on the railcar unless you work around them (as I do) everyday. The -200, -300, -400, -500 are out of production. The -600 thru -900 are called Next Generation or NextGen due to the upgraded avionics (glass cockpit) compared to the old analog (dials and guages) cockpit in the -200 thru -500 models.

I model the aircraft parts car made by LBF. The Spirit plant here in Tulsa (used to be Boeing) makes 757/737 wing assemblies and ships them to Renton for final assemby with the fuselage that Wichita makes.

Mike in Tulsa
BNSF Cherokee Sub

[myrail]

QUOTE: Originally posted by mikejenn


737's are the only ones moved by rail. The 757/767/777 are Seattle built. Yes the 737 comes in different models -600 is the shortest, -700 is a little longer, -800 is even a little longer and most popular, and the -900 is the longest. Would be difficult to decifer them on the railcar unless you work around them (as I do) everyday. The -200, -300, -400, -500 are out of production. The -600 thru -900 are called Next Generation or NextGen due to the upgraded avionics (glass cockpit) compared to the old analog (dials and guages) cockpit in the -200 thru -500 models.

I model the aircraft parts car made by LBF. The Spirit plant here in Tulsa (used to be Boeing) makes 757/737 wing assemblies and ships them to Renton for final assemby with the fuselage that Wichita makes.

Mike in Tulsa
BNSF Cherokee Sub

Mike, this is a wrong statement. First the 737 is NOT the only plane moved by rail. It is, however, the only fusealge moved by rail. The 747, 767, 777, and soon 787 all recieve parts by specially designed rail cars. The 757 is no longer produced. There are no planes made here in WA state, they are made through out the country and if 737 model then shipped to Renton, WA for final assembly. The 747, 767, 777 and 787 are all assembled in Everett, WA. The Seattle Boeing facility does not do any assembly of any kind. As I mentioned there are specially designed cars to carry partially completed sections. I am unable to take photos of the cars but will do my best to describe them. The first resembles a steel coil car, but instead of the two containers there is only one running the full length of the car. This is a container and has end doors. The other cars are actually shipping containers. One model is standard height (8 feet I think) but double the width. The other is double the width (16 feet wide) but standard height. I don't know if Boeing owns these or if they are owned by vendors or BNSF. I hope this helps.