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Posted by Budliner on Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:18 AM
I just tryed to do a good job





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Posted by Budliner on Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:07 AM
yes its true, I did have fun and was not trying to insult or come off in a bad way
when I sead we I was talking for some other members that had been scolded
for posting and some were off topic we are human
but thanks for taking the time to input some of your ideas and to check what I sead
I see you are adding answers for what was sead in a bit of a bad time and for you to go back and change what you sead then to what you think now is not very fair
I dont nitpic everything you do (not that I have to)
let others speak for themself and I think we all will be better off


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Posted by Budliner on Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:53 AM
thats 2 e8's for $80


try not to copy everything I do
be creative
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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:28 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Budliner
Sorry for my confusion dont be
all I sead was
click on the price you think this locomotive cost
(f you got it new) NEW NEW learn to read
- No problem. I read quite well

QUOTE: some people do like the brass just cuz you cant afford it dont knock it
- Ah yes......., more of the smart aleck, dissing poetry.[V] O.K,

1. You don't have a clue as to what I can afford!
2. I don't knock brass. I'm familiar with brass and actually like it.
3. I pointed out that the Pennsy E8 in the link is an older model, likely from "my teen years". How can I tell?

A. The molded on handrails
B. Solid number boards
C. No "See Thru Grills" and low detailing on the trucks are the giveaways.

This was "The bomb" back then, but no longer, by today's standards. A lot of work would have to be performed for it to have the appearance of a P2K or BLI. Not knocking it......just stating facts.

QUOTE: I just hgave fun posting
- Nothing wrong with that.....except for your dissing.
QUOTE: and I dont care what you or bob cry over
- Nobody's crying over anything.

QUOTE: its like a bunch of jealous girls that did not get to go to the prom
- You have really got to be kdding, right? What is it that the jealosy is centered around? I hope you don't mean the E8? Good Grief! $80 is not a bad price....but this unit is nothing to be envious about. I'm happy you like it and can use it. Will look impressive once you restore and paint her.

QUOTE: dont get mad at if my post gets over 1000 hits you all are not getting replaced
--- Why in the would anyone get mad if you get over 1,000 hits?? Not getting replaced? Again, I guess you're trying to be witty....or funny.....and, IMHO, it just comes across like a molten lead balloon. .....in other words, obnoxious.

QUOTE: - we are just adding more ideas to the mix and for you all to try to discourage
me from posting good try
---We--we?....Who's we? Can't you speak for yourself? From what I've read no one here is trying to discourage you from posting. In fact, the thread involving structures, where you posted those New York City buildings was, IMHO, pretty cool as well as the info on the informative links.

It's your choice, but mixed in with your very good info and photos are those comments that can be easily misinterpreted as being nasty or disrespectful to others. May not be your intent, but that's how some of them have come to be viewed. It's like getting ready to drink a good tasting glass of lemonade, than you look in the glass and you see a few specs of dirt on top of the ice cubes.

Why not stay cool, all the way?[;)]

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Posted by Budliner on Friday, January 13, 2006 4:11 PM
oh no look at all the polls
who me



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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 13, 2006 3:52 PM
I'll charge you 250 to haul it off. I didn't see that option.
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Posted by csmith9474 on Friday, January 13, 2006 3:48 PM
Dude, you are going to get in a bad way with other forum members by posting like this!!
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Posted by Budliner on Friday, January 13, 2006 3:41 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45

Bud Liner...............

Sorry for my confusion...............Are you referring to the locomotive on the link? Or the units that you keep showing on page one? No offense, but are you playing games with us? Your input is valuable but your comment above
QUOTE: "Some people have a taste for the finer things in life...
----- doesn't make much sense in this case at all.

Anyway, if you're referring to the brass E8 in the link, it looks like she's been thru a long battle. Probably in the $500 range when new. Used brass units like these don't fetch a high price anymore if.........

1. The body is in rough shape.......
2. The unit is equipped with an older, noisy drive...
3. If there are nicely detailed plastic version(s) of the same type of locomotive..
4. The body detail itself is inferior to the plastic version of the brass unit.

Remember, when the highly detailed plastic locomotives hit the HO and N markets back in the early 90s, the used brass units started fetching less money for sellers. Exception would be rare units, or locomotives that had not been produced in plastic. Or the highly detailed HO and N brass units produced in the 90s. Even then deals could be found. A good friend of mine snagged a rare HO brass Amtrak SDP40f on Ebay, in good shape, for about $100........a super bargain! He's repowering it with a Mashima motor..

Many of the brass units from the 1970s and early 80s are what's hitting Ebay. This old war horse looks like one of those units. Consider that the Pennsy E8 is available in plastic from BLI and LIfe LIke P2K. So chances are VERY LIKELY that this brass unit would not be high on many Pennsy modeler's priority lists. If you look carefully, the number boards would have to be cut out and the trucks need detailing parts just to be comparable in appearance to a P2K or BLI unit.!

Top it off, the BLI E8 is equipped with an impressive sound system. So for $200+, which would you pick?

If this were a brass Great Northern "Little Joe", an EMC Santa Fe E-1, or a GE U30CG..........then realistically you might more likely see a $500+ price tag.

If this unit is fetching $800........ than either it's a special value to the buyer..........or the buyer doesn't realize that he or she is paying way too much for an old brass E unit.

BTW: What you're doing above is "Chain Posting", which is quite obvious. This is why some of the members were "razzing" you earlier on other threads.

Guy, Don't worry about gaining stars.......they'll come and you'll see that it's no big deal.

Peace.[:D][8D][8)]


Sorry for my confusion dont be
all I sead was
click on the price you think this locomotive cost
(f you got it new) NEW NEW learn to read

Some people have a taste for the finer things in life
doesn't make much sense in this case
some people do like the brass just cuz you cant afford it dont knock it

Guy, Don't worry about gaining stars
I dont its you that keeps say stars stars stars I just hgave fun posting
and I dont care what you or bob cry over
its like a bunch of jealous girls that did not get to go to the prom
dont get mad at if my post gets over 1000 hits you all are not getting replaced
we are just adding more ideas to the mix and for you all to try to discourage
me from posting good try

K

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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Friday, January 13, 2006 2:38 PM
Bud Liner...............

Sorry for my confusion...............Are you referring to the locomotive on the link? Or the units that you keep showing on page one? No offense, but are you playing games with us? Your input is valuable but your comment above
QUOTE: "Some people have a taste for the finer things in life...
----- doesn't make much sense in this case at all.

Anyway, if you're referring to the brass E8 in the link, it looks like she's been thru a long battle. Probably in the $500 range when new. Used brass units like these don't fetch a high price anymore if.........

1. The body is in rough shape.......
2. The unit is equipped with an older, noisy drive...
3. If there are nicely detailed plastic version(s) of the same type of locomotive..
4. The body detail itself is inferior to the plastic version of the brass unit.

Remember, when the highly detailed plastic locomotives hit the HO and N markets back in the early 90s, the used brass units started fetching less money for sellers. Exception would be rare units, or locomotives that had not been produced in plastic. Or the highly detailed HO and N brass units produced in the 90s. Even then deals could be found. A good friend of mine snagged a rare HO brass Amtrak SDP40f on Ebay, in good shape, for about $100........a super bargain! He's repowering it with a Mashima motor..

Many of the brass units from the 1970s and early 80s are what's hitting Ebay. This old war horse looks like one of those units. Consider that the Pennsy E8 is available in plastic from BLI and LIfe LIke P2K. So chances are VERY LIKELY that this brass unit would not be high on many Pennsy modeler's priority lists. If you look carefully, the number boards would have to be cut out and the trucks need detailing parts just to be comparable in appearance to a P2K or BLI unit.!

Top it off, the BLI E8 is equipped with an impressive sound system. So for $200+, which would you pick?

If this were a brass Great Northern "Little Joe", an EMC Santa Fe E-1, or a GE U30CG..........then realistically you might more likely see a $500+ price tag.

If this unit is fetching $800........ than either it's a special value to the buyer..........or the buyer doesn't realize that he or she is paying way too much for an old brass E unit.

BTW: What you're doing above is "Chain Posting", which is quite obvious. This is why some of the members were "razzing" you earlier on other threads.

Guy, Don't worry about gaining stars.......they'll come and you'll see that it's no big deal.

Peace.[:D][8D][8)]

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Posted by Budliner on Friday, January 13, 2006 1:55 PM
nice...........................




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Posted by Budliner on Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:42 PM
(10 votes for $200 32% )
(9 votes for $500 29% )
(2 votes for $800 6%)
(2 votes for $1140 6% )

too much for me!! (8 votes 26% )
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cool thank you all
it was over 30 people
I had fun with this post
I was just looking for info
I will take some slack but I realy like this train
I was so happy when I got 2 of them for under $80
full of expensive digital sound and upgraded parts
thanks to all who participated
and the rest
dont hate me because my layout is beautiful


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Posted by Budliner on Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:29 PM


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Posted by 1shado1 on Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:23 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by csmith9474

The model pictured in the OP is no where near the quality of those compared from the Uncle Dave's site. The one in the OP is a crude model that lacks the detail of todays brass imports. Just because it is brass does not make it valuable.


I tried to argue this point with him a few days ago about the same locomotives. You can talk till you're blue in the face, and he still won't get/understand it.

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Posted by Budliner on Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:16 PM
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Posted by csmith9474 on Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:26 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Budliner

QUOTE: Originally posted by csmith9474

The model pictured in the OP is no where near the quality of those compared from the Uncle Dave's


it's realy the same model
with a fancy paint job
what detail are you talking abought
if enything th op has more detail
true it has a wire hanging out but thats only cuz i'm working on it (just got it a few days ago)



imoa


The ones you pictured against yours have interiors, glazing, custom/factory paint, nicer detailing, see through grills and fans, and they are new. I would imagine they run out the box as well. It appears they have sprung trucks with much nicer truck detail as well. And what is to be said for the drives?
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Posted by Budliner on Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:18 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by csmith9474

The model pictured in the OP is no where near the quality of those compared from the Uncle Dave's


it's realy the same model
with a fancy paint job
what detail are you talking abought
if enything th op has more detail
true it has a wire hanging out but thats only cuz i'm working on it (just got it a few days ago)



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Posted by rrinker on Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:52 AM
That's the other thing I wanted to say but didn't - the Proto2000 E units have more detail. But then, I'm not a collector - I want something that looks decent and runs, and run it will, I don't have any shelf queens in my collection. Apart from a couple of older AHM locos that have a certain sentimental value. If it weren't for the deep flanges they'd get decoders and be run though.

--Randy

QUOTE: Originally posted by csmith9474

The model pictured in the OP is no where near the quality of those compared from the Uncle Dave's site. The one in the OP is a crude model that lacks the detail of todays brass imports. Just because it is brass does not make it valuable.

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Posted by waltersrails on Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:48 AM
to much for me....
I like NS but CSX has the B&O.
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Posted by csmith9474 on Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:39 AM
The model pictured in the OP is no where near the quality of those compared from the Uncle Dave's site. The one in the OP is a crude model that lacks the detail of todays brass imports. Just because it is brass does not make it valuable.
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Posted by Budliner on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:38 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by rrinker

Well that certainly isn't NEW, not with a wire sticking out the side. I'm not a collector, so I wouldn't even pay $200 for that. It's older brass, as evidenced by the relative lack of detail (cab doors and handles are simply stamped in) and it doesn't look much like it would run good without a little work. It looks to need al ot of cleanup work, as there is no protective laquer coat on it, or at least it doesn't look like it. So either it never had it, or was stripped at some point but then never painted.

The Trainphone antennas pretty much make it specific to the PRR.

--Randy


sir you are so correct
you got that one right on the head that loco is in the works for a nice laquer coat
the 2 I have are in fine shape by me, the dc setup unit is the only one I have had a chance to test
this thing is heavy and I am sure with run smooth
and thanks for the info on the prr I did not know that telliphone
I did see some crazy details that can be added wires hanging off the trucks unlvbl
I can't find it right now. must be a million add on's on fot this . but...it has wiperblades
hm sun visors
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Posted by Budliner on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:38 PM
I like my unpainted unit best



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Posted by Budliner on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:53 PM
most I see are 2 unit a b that 3 for 1300 was awsom



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Posted by loathar on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:47 PM
That's really not that bad if it's for all 3 units. The A unit you showed is darn good looking. I've seen 3 unit plastics go for more.
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Posted by Budliner on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:42 PM
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Posted by Budliner on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:40 PM
http://challengerimports.com/default.aspx
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Posted by Budliner on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:38 PM
well here is the true price
http://www.uncledavesbrass.com/BR-CIL-N.HTML

2455.1
*Union Pacific E7A/E7B/E7B diesel set F/P ck/mo $1,315.00
CC$1354.00
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http://cgi.ebay.com/BRASS-CIL-2439-1-CRI-P-DIESEL-E8A-E8A-SET-F-P-NEW_W0QQitemZ6026281421QQcategoryZ78178QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

2455.1


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Posted by Budliner on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:22 PM
As some may have surmised, we have determined to suspend our importing activity

At this time, we can not with certainty tell you that any of the models that we have announced, either through print media or this web site, will ever be imported by Challenger. Conversely, we can not with certainty tell you that there will be no further Challenger products.
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Posted by Budliner on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:20 PM
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Posted by dwRavenstar on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:19 PM
Give ya $5.00 (that should cover the shipping)

This reminds me of the thoroughbred's donkey.

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