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Steam era rolling stock...
Posted by Tracklayer on Monday, September 19, 2005 9:35 PM
I'm an N scaler, and in my basic steam era freight rolling stock inventory I have reefers cars, box cars, open hoppers, covered hoppers, gondolas, tanker cars, flat cars, stock cars and crane cars. Am I missing anything ?.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 19, 2005 10:04 PM
Sounds like you have everything covered except cabooses (cabeese?). I wish I had some of everything you have!
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Posted by jrbernier on Monday, September 19, 2005 10:20 PM
The basic question is what cars are correct for no later than the late 50's. Most freight cars will be in the 50-70 ton capacity range and all should have roof walks. Most of the cars will have friction bearing trucks. Only some special freight cars will have roller bearings. Here are some pointers:

Box cars: Usually 40-50' long, with a 40-50 ton capacity. And still a lot of composite
construction.

Reefers: 36-40' long, ice staged cooling. Still lots of wood side cars.

Hoppers: 34-40' long. Twin bay, some triple/quad bay cars. 55-70 ton capacity.

Covered Hoppers: Most are 34' twin bay - many in cement service. Most have a 70 ton
capacity. 3 bay grain cars did not start showing up until the very late
50's/early 60's.

Gondolas: 40' & 50' gons, with 50-70 ton capacity

Tank cars: Mainly small 8,000 & 10,000 gallon capacity cars.

Flat cars: 40-50' cars. 50-70 ton capacity.

Stock cars: 36-40' wood side cars, both single and double deck cars.

Cranes? - Anything up to 250 ton lift capacity.

I hope this helps,

Jim Bernier

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Posted by Tracklayer on Monday, September 19, 2005 10:20 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jdavid93225

Sounds like you have everything covered except cabooses (cabeese?). I wish I had some of everything you have!


Yes, I do have cabooses jdavid93225. Sorry I didn't mention it. And thank you for the compliment. It took a great deal of time, work and money to gather what I have, all of which is very precious to me to say the least... I was just wondering if there were any cars from the era I may not know about.

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Posted by JohnT14808 on Monday, September 19, 2005 10:25 PM
I've heard of 'pickle vat' cars ( flats with vats on them?), log cars, m.o.w. cars, staked flat cars....do they count as something different?
Sounds like a fun layout. Any particular location being modeled?
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Posted by Tracklayer on Monday, September 19, 2005 10:25 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jrbernier

The basic question is what cars are correct for no later than the late 50's. Most freight cars will be in the 50-70 ton capacity range and all should have roof walks. Most of the cars will have friction bearing trucks. Only some special freight cars will have roller bearings. Here are some pointers:

Box cars: Usually 40-50' long, with a 40-50 ton capacity. And still a lot of composite
construction.

Reefers: 36-40' long, ice staged cooling. Still lots of wood side cars.

Hoppers: 34-40' long. Twin bay, some triple/quad bay cars. 55-70 ton capacity.

Covered Hoppers: Most are 34' twin bay - many in cement service. Most have a 70 ton
capacity. 3 bay grain cars did not start showing up until the very late
50's/early 60's.

Gondolas: 40' & 50' gons, with 50-70 ton capacity

Tank cars: Mainly small 8,000 & 10,000 gallon capacity cars.

Flat cars: 40-50' cars. 50-70 ton capacity.

Stock cars: 36-40' wood side cars, both single and double deck cars.

Cranes? - Anything up to 250 ton lift capacity.

I hope this helps,

Jim Bernier



Thank you jrbernier!... Yes. That helps very much. I greatly appreciate the info.

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Posted by Tracklayer on Monday, September 19, 2005 10:35 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by JohnT14808

I've heard of 'pickle vat' cars ( flats with vats on them?), log cars, m.o.w. cars, staked flat cars....do they count as something different?
Sounds like a fun layout. Any particular location being modeled?


The desert areas of California, Wyoming, Utah and alike states with the same type of landscape and scenery. When I finished the layout, I named it Pine Mountain. Later, I looked in the United States atlas and there actually is a couple of places named Pine Mountain... One is in California.
The layout was designed so that a few things can be quickly changed around so that various eras can be created, and both steam engines and diesels can be run on it.

Thanks for your input JohnT14808. I really appreciate it.

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Posted by dgwinup on Monday, September 19, 2005 11:28 PM
Tracklayer,

Don't forget about the old war-era freight cars like troop trains. They were still around in the early fifties, just not for troop transport anymore. Many were converted to lineside buildings, others for MOW dormitories, etc.

Anything else would have been unusual and probably special-built for a single purpose, like flatcars used in early rocket development. I seem to remember a rather large (75-80' flat?) that had FOUR sets of two-axle trucks, 2 on each end. But maybe that was later.

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Posted by Tracklayer on Monday, September 19, 2005 11:38 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dgwinup

Tracklayer,

Don't forget about the old war-era freight cars like troop trains. They were still around in the early fifties, just not for troop transport anymore. Many were converted to lineside buildings, others for MOW dormitories, etc.

Anything else would have been unusual and probably special-built for a single purpose, like flatcars used in early rocket development. I seem to remember a rather large (75-80' flat?) that had FOUR sets of two-axle trucks, 2 on each end. But maybe that was later.

Darrell, flatly quiet...for now




"Hello quiet Darrell!"... It seems that I've got a book around here somewhere with a photo in it of an extra long flat car with extra trucks. I'm thinking it was a special purpose car built to handle an extra heavy load of some kind (?). Hopefully a rolling stock buff will happen by and see this and tell us what it was.

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Posted by cjcrescent on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:46 AM
Tracklayer;

A couple that weren't mentioned

50' depressed center flats. 4 and 6 wheeled trucks, not sure of capacity, 70-150 ton? Carried Hi-Wide loads like transformers etc.

40' grain loading box cars specially equipped with grain loading hatches up near the roofs for grain harvest. During this time, grain was hauled in boxcars instead of hoppers. Regular box cars were also pressed into service for this by being equipped with "grain doors" which in some cases was nothing more than a heavy paper barrier across the inside of the regular doors, to prevent the grain from leaking out in transit. Grain was loaded thru a slot near the top of the door.

Other suggestions, go to http://www.steamfreightcars.com/. This website has many pix and articles on these cars, both prototypes and models.

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Posted by Tracklayer on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 1:44 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by cjcrescent

Tracklayer;

A couple that weren't mentioned

50' depressed center flats. 4 and 6 wheeled trucks, not sure of capacity, 70-150 ton? Carried Hi-Wide loads like transformers etc.

40' grain loading box cars specially equipped with grain loading hatches up near the roofs for grain harvest. During this time, grain was hauled in boxcars instead of hoppers. Regular box cars were also pressed into service for this by being equipped with "grain doors" which in some cases was nothing more than a heavy paper barrier across the inside of the regular doors, to prevent the grain from leaking out in transit. Grain was loaded thru a slot near the top of the door.

Other suggestions, go to http://www.steamfreightcars.com/. This website has many pix and articles on these cars, both prototypes and models.



Thanks for the info cjcrescent. Also thanks for the freight car link. I really appreciate it.

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Posted by orsonroy on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 6:29 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Tracklayer

I'm an N scaler, and in my basic steam era freight rolling stock inventory I have reefers cars, box cars, open hoppers, covered hoppers, gondolas, tanker cars, flat cars, stock cars and crane cars. Am I missing anything ?.

Tracklayer


You've pretty much got everything the railroads ran, witht he exception of other specialty cars (MOW, mostly). However, the real question shouldn't be "is there anything else I need?", but "what do I need to look right?".

Even if you're not into prototype modeling, it's usually better to build a freight car fleet that represents reality (in general), to make your layout look more believable (unless you're deliberately modeling fantasy). That means getting the car ratios and colors right.

For the steam era, your fleet should be heavy on the boxcars. Something like 55% of the national car fleet in 1949 was 40 foot boxes. In descending order, any steam-era fleet should have the following cars: boxcars (50%), hoppers (25%), gondolas(15%), reefers (5%), tanks (2%), flats (1%), stock cars (1%), covered hoppers (1%). Of course, that mix should be modified to fit your prototype (if any) or your preferred region. If you're modeling the eastern coal fields, hoppers should dominate. If you're modeling southwestern oil fields, beef up the tank fleet. If you're modeling a bridge line, increase the number of reefers. But in general, concentrate on the mundane stuff like 40 foot boxes and gondolas (no modeler has enough gons!) and ignore the flashy stuff like covered hopppers and MOW.

Likewise, try to ignore the fancy paint schemes. Even if you don't mind that a lettering scheme is right for the steam era, try to make sure that the colors are OK. The steam era freight car fleets was BLAND. In general, ALL boxcars were a variation of mineral brown, and all hoppers, gons, tanks, flats and stocks were either black or brown. Yes, there were exceptions, but they'd be very rare, and NOT something you'd see in every train. The only regular color you'd see would be from reefers, and they came in either orange or yellow.

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 7:42 AM
You could also add ore cars if they fit your locale. The steam era is pretty broad, there were some odd cars along the way. One of my favorites is the Stilwell oyster car.
Enjoy
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Posted by Tracklayer on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 10:39 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by orsonroy

QUOTE: Originally posted by Tracklayer

I'm an N scaler, and in my basic steam era freight rolling stock inventory I have reefers cars, box cars, open hoppers, covered hoppers, gondolas, tanker cars, flat cars, stock cars and crane cars. Am I missing anything ?.

Tracklayer


You've pretty much got everything the railroads ran, witht he exception of other specialty cars (MOW, mostly). However, the real question shouldn't be "is there anything else I need?", but "what do I need to look right?".

Even if you're not into prototype modeling, it's usually better to build a freight car fleet that represents reality (in general), to make your layout look more believable (unless you're deliberately modeling fantasy). That means getting the car ratios and colors right.

For the steam era, your fleet should be heavy on the boxcars. Something like 55% of the national car fleet in 1949 was 40 foot boxes. In descending order, any steam-era fleet should have the following cars: boxcars (50%), hoppers (25%), gondolas(15%), reefers (5%), tanks (2%), flats (1%), stock cars (1%), covered hoppers (1%). Of course, that mix should be modified to fit your prototype (if any) or your preferred region. If you're modeling the eastern coal fields, hoppers should dominate. If you're modeling southwestern oil fields, beef up the tank fleet. If you're modeling a bridge line, increase the number of reefers. But in general, concentrate on the mundane stuff like 40 foot boxes and gondolas (no modeler has enough gons!) and ignore the flashy stuff like covered hopppers and MOW.

Likewise, try to ignore the fancy paint schemes. Even if you don't mind that a lettering scheme is right for the steam era, try to make sure that the colors are OK. The steam era freight car fleets was BLAND. In general, ALL boxcars were a variation of mineral brown, and all hoppers, gons, tanks, flats and stocks were either black or brown. Yes, there were exceptions, but they'd be very rare, and NOT something you'd see in every train. The only regular color you'd see would be from reefers, and they came in either orange or yellow.


Hello orsonroy. Yes, I'm very much into prototype modeling. It worries me to death to think I have cars in a consist that aren't supposed to be there for that particular time period or era... I can't tell you how grateful I am to you and the other guys for the info that you've provided here. It'll really come in handy down the road (railroad that is [:p]).

Tracklayer

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