For Monto3

[Anonymous]

Monto, I read with interest your post concerning O scale. I also saw how a lot of the others really kinda bashed you up some. If you look around at the different scales available, you will see that O scale does tend to be more toy oriented. I agree, there are some very nice O scale models out there. Unfortunately, most people really have a problem with that third rail. All this being said, I have a suggestion for you. Why not look at On30 scale? On30 is O scale narrow gauge. Narrow gauge rails were used on a lot of industrial type railroads such as logging and mining, where space was an issue. Regular gauge rail is four feet eight inches. On30 represents thirty inch narrow gauge. These measurements refer to the distance between the rails which is known as gauge. On30 breaks down like this: O= O scale. n= narrow gauge. 30 = the width of the rails of the prototype, which is 30 inches. (Prototype just means the real thing). Here is a link to the Bachmann On30 page:

http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/catalog/?cat_id=92&start=10&sortOrder=name

Look through there, and see if there's anything you like. You might think the prices are high. Those are MSRP list prices, so they are high. Those locomotives are available at less than half those prices on places like Ebay, and online hobby outlets. Now, I have saved the best part for last. Remember how I said that this was O scale narrow gauge? Guess what? These are O scale locomotives and rolling stock that uses HO gauge track to run on. There is real On30 track, but the only difference is that there are half as many ties in the On30 track, because the scale is bigger. Remember, gauge and scale are NOT the same. Gauge as I said earlier, is the measurement of the width between the rails. Scale is a reference to size. Since the On30 is 1:48 scale, just like O scale, it only shares scale, not gauge with O scale. The gauge On30 runs on is the same as HO. Before you make any decisions, read all of the information you can. You're young and you have plenty of time. Don't rush yourself into something that you might regret later on. Lastly, don't let the opinions of some taint your view of everyone here. Also, if you decide that standard O scale is for you, guess what? That's your decision, and you're the one who has to be happy with it. Not anyone else. I'll leave you with this:

http://www.all-model-railroading.co.uk/forum/index.php

This is a link to a very friendly site that has literally tons of information regarding not only On30, but every other scale as well. Look around. You have plenty of time.

[Anonymous]

Great post On30Shay [tup]

I have seen some pretty proto looking O scale stuff, not sure all the toy talk.

[Anonymous]

So have I. Those negative posters kinda threw me some. Maybe they were some of the more inexperienced modelers. I've seen O scale stuff that would blow away alot of smaller scales. I'm sure from the sound of it, you have too.

QUOTE: Originally posted by dthurman

Great post On30Shay [tup]

I have seen some pretty proto looking O scale stuff, not sure all the toy talk.

[Anonymous]

Bump. Dangit.

[Anonymous]

Bump. Dangit.

[DavidGSmith]

I model On30. The On3 models and kits work although Lee Riley of Bachmann would argue proportion. They look ok to me. I was in HO for 40+ years and am enjoying the change. Try a San Jaun kit for nice detail.I have a number of the Bachmann engines and they run great also a sound equiped 2-8-0. Try it and enjoy the scale.

[icmr]

I say if you want a big model go with G scale. I have seen some very nice G scale equipment. Or you could go with 3' gauge.



ICMR

Happy Railroading.[swg][swg]

[Anonymous]

bump

[Big_Boy_4005]

The 3 rail O market is very divided right now, with the toy and traditionalists heading off in their usual direction, while a new scale branch has been forming for the last 10 years.

The thing that most modelers have trouble with is the center rail, but I have found that in spite of it's appearance, it has some distinct electrical advantages.

The larger size allows room for a lot more features than HO or N. Most engines have sound and smoke, even the diesels have fan driven smoke. Remote controlled couplers are also very common on locomotives. The animation available is a big selling point, not much of that going on in the smaller scales.

Lionel's crane is one of the coolest things I have ever seen. It is fully functional. The boom raises and lowers, as does the hook. The crane rotates 360 degrees, and the outriggers can be deployed, all from the handheld remote that also controls the trains. You won't find that in any other scale.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE:
Lionel's crane is one of the coolest things I have ever seen. It is fully functional. The boom raises and lowers, as does the hook. The crane rotates 360 degrees, and the outriggers can be deployed, all from the handheld remote that also controls the trains. You won't find that in any other scale.

Roco makes an HO scale crane that works on DCC. The unit swivels, the boom raises up and down, the hook too, and the hook can be replaced with a working electromagnet for picking up scrap steel.

As for the smoking O scale engines complete with fans to blow the smoke out in large quantities - this is an advantage? Try running one in an enclosed layout room for a while! If you aren't coughing and gagging and your eyes running, then the lack of visibility will get to you!

Monto3's profile says he is 11 years old, so keep this in mind when reading whatever he says. Seems he has a lot of growing up to do yet. Because anyone can start silly and endless polls I personally think they should be eliminated.

Bob Boudreau

[Anonymous]

Yeah I think he is 11, Bob. Which is why I would have thought you might have been a little more specific about what you were talking about should be elimanated. He might look at it and think you meant him. It looked that way to me at first, but I know better.........I hope.

QUOTE: Originally posted by FundyNorthern

QUOTE:
Lionel's crane is one of the coolest things I have ever seen. It is fully functional. The boom raises and lowers, as does the hook. The crane rotates 360 degrees, and the outriggers can be deployed, all from the handheld remote that also controls the trains. You won't find that in any other scale.

Roco makes an HO scale crane that works on DCC. The unit swivels, the boom raises up and down, the hook too, and the hook can be replaced with a working electromagnet for picking up scrap steel.

As for the smoking O scale engines complete with fans to blow the smoke out in large quantities - this is an advantage? Try running one in an enclosed layout room for a while! If you aren't coughing and gagging and your eyes running, then the lack of visibility will get to you!

Monto3's profile says he is 11 years old, so keep this in mind when reading whatever he says. Seems he has a lot of growing up to do yet. Because anyone can start silly and endless polls I personally think they should be eliminated.

Bob Boudreau

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by On30Shay

Yeah I think he is 11, Bob. Which is why I would have thought you might have been a little more specific about what you were talking about should be elimanated. He might look at it and think you meant him. It looked that way to me at first, but I know better.........I hope.

Polls should be eliminated, they are too easy to start by those who don't have anything constructive to add to the forum.

Bob Boudreau

[oleirish]

I started a thred on this once before and got cut to peaces,I agree with Bob Boudreau there should be no polls on here,I KNOW,IKNOW if you don't like them then don't read them.But to me they waste space.[2c]
JIM

[Anonymous]

Monto3's profile says he is 11 years old, so keep this in mind when reading whatever he says. Seems he has a lot of growing up to do yet. Because anyone can start silly and endless polls I personally think they should be eliminated.


Do people like you wonder why there are less kids in the hobby today? Or do you just blaim the internet? Why should we get rid of Monto 3, why not teach him more? Tell him about the polls, I like the question of the day idea, so he had a bad question. This hobby needs all the kids it can get, Lionel was, as a model railroad should be a father-son hobby. Why don't we help him instead of grilling him?

[Big_Boy_4005]

Guys, I'll agree that there have been a lot of trash polls, but there have also been a lot of good ones. If you don't like them, please don't complain about them, just ignore them. I actually wi***hey were available on the CTT forum. On the Trains Magazine forum, I'm kind of glad they're not. The truth is it's difficult to write a good poll, and in almost two years here, I don't think I have written more than half a dozen myself.

Yes, there are times I wi***he younger crowd would show some restraint, but we old guys need to be patient with them, as they are the hobby's future.

Bob, I wasn't aware of the Roco crane, not being into HO. Now that you said that, it's probably where Lionel got the idea. They still haven't caught up on the electro magnet part. Maybe next year.[swg]

P.S. The smoking diesels? They have a switch to turn the smoke off, which is exactly what I do. If I left them all on, the fire department might show up at my door.[:p]

[Anonymous]

I couldnt have said it better. That's the direction I was trying to tactfully go. You did so somewhat more directly. I agree somewhat on Fundy's opinion on polls, but we need to be mindful of our young people. If we're not careful with what we say, we'll give the hobby the "old fart" reputation. I'm all for having new blood. My 15 year old son is my model builder. I hate building models. I'm too lazy. We need to welcome young people with open arms. All of us were young once too, and just as indecisive and silly to grown ups looking at us. We need to be careful not to forget that.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098

Monto3's profile says he is 11 years old, so keep this in mind when reading whatever he says. Seems he has a lot of growing up to do yet. Because anyone can start silly and endless polls I personally think they should be eliminated.


Do people like you wonder why there are less kids in the hobby today? Or do you just blaim the internet? Why should we get rid of Monto 3, why not teach him more? Tell him about the polls, I like the question of the day idea, so he had a bad question. This hobby needs all the kids it can get, Lionel was, as a model railroad should be a father-son hobby. Why don't we help him instead of grilling him?

[selector]

Of course, Fundy was always old.[:o)]

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

wheres monto 3, did we scare him off? he should reply, let us know hes ok.

[Anonymous]

My advice is just to stay in the hobby. Ride on!