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They forgot the dynamics...
They forgot the dynamics...
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Anonymous
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April 2003
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They forgot the dynamics...
Posted by
Anonymous
on Sunday, September 4, 2005 6:30 AM
I've just bought a Kato CNW SD38-2 ... unlike previous UP of the same I straight away put it with an SD40 and SD45... so I noticed that
they forgot the dynamic brakes[/b[]]!
...UM... didn't notice on the UP...
Seriously
... it made me think...
1. okay dynamics started in the hills and CNW ran a lot of flat track... so:
a. when did dynamics get everywhere?
b. were SD38-2s (and others) retro fitted?
2. were dynamic braked locos kept seperate from dynamics...
a. by area?
b. by useage?
c. in consists
3. if both dynamic and non in the same consist...
a. I assume that nons reduced available dynamic brake force... put the
other way total dynamic brake force could only add up to total of
dynamic fitted locos. Did dynamic braked locos have to be cut in
together or could control signals be passed via non-dynamics?
b. Would lead loco have to be dynamic equipt fo dynamics to work?
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Anonymous
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April 2003
305,205 posts
Posted by
Anonymous
on Sunday, September 4, 2005 7:00 AM
Not all SD38s were dynamic-brake equipped (Detroit, Toledo & Ironton's and Bessemer & Lake Erie's, for example). Many were used for hump yard service, where dynamic brakes wouldn't be needed anyway.
To answer some of your other questions, North American road units with dynamics brakes weren't universal until the "third-generation" diesels were introduced beginning in the late 1980s. Some so-called "second-generation" SD38s may have been retrofitted, but I don't have any information immediately available to support that.
Non-dynamic and dynamic locomotives can operate in the same consist. For dynamic brake operation, though, the lead unit must be equipped with dynamics to control other dynamic-equipped locomotives placed elsewhere in the consist.
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Anonymous
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April 2003
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Posted by
Anonymous
on Sunday, September 4, 2005 7:30 AM
On new orders, the C&NW specified no dynamic brakes (at least usually). I remember reading that the C&NW's order for SD-45's was the only time EMD built the SD-45's without dynamic brakes.
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jrbernier
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January 2001
From: SE Minnesota
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Posted by
jrbernier
on Monday, September 5, 2005 9:20 PM
The C&NW SD38-2 were bought for 'hump yard service'. That said, the C&NW was not big on D/B's starting with GP7's through the SD45's. Starting with the SD40-2 orders, C&NW ordered D/B's for most 'road power'.
Jim
Modeling
BNSF
and
Milwaukee Road
in SW Wisconsin
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Anonymous
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April 2003
305,205 posts
Posted by
Anonymous
on Monday, September 5, 2005 10:48 PM
I think the others are right and its a prototype with no dynamic brakes. That certainly doesnt sound like the kind of mistake kato would make.
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ericsp
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May 2015
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Posted by
ericsp
on Monday, September 5, 2005 11:39 PM
The CNW SD38-2s photographed in this
link
and
this link
have no dynamic brakes.
"No soup for you!" - Yev Kassem (from Seinfeld)
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Anonymous
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April 2003
305,205 posts
Posted by
Anonymous
on Tuesday, September 6, 2005 12:50 PM
Okay... thanks guys... was only kidding about forgetting the Dynamics... BUT... should Kato's and other CNW SD45s have no dynamics... does anyone make a non dynamic braked SD45 or a conversion part?
At the same time CNW got some high short hood SDs ... can't recall whether they were 45s... from NW I think... they were black... does anyone do a model or do I need to convert a low nose to a high? Has anyone done this?
Oh yes... I also read that early SD45s had an L shaped cab window but this was modified for safety reasons / maintenance costs. Is this right? Did CNW have them... if so... did they last or were they modified? Big question... does anyone model them... or a conversion cab?
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