GOT IT! Akane AC12

[Anonymous]

Look at the details on this.

Well now I see the full potential of the loco. The guy who did this replaced a whole lot of parts, handrails etc. On his website it is all there, step by step.

[twhite]

That 'plain' looking top on the AC-9 is known as a 'Skyline' casing, which helped lift smoke above the cab while running. Southern Pacific used it on quite a few of their locomotives--some Pacifics on the T&NO, most of their MT-2,3,4,5 Mountain series, and all of their Lima-built "Daylight" 4-8-4's. It gave the locomotives a very distinctive look--quite handsome IMHO. The AC-9's were conventional cab-back articulateds built by Lima, and had the same tractive effort as the cab-forwards. They originally ran on the Rio Grande Sub between El Paso, TX and Tucumcari NM, however later, they were converted to oil and transferred to the Modoc Division in northeastern California. Funny story about them being transferred--the overhang on the boiler was too great for the snowsheds on Donner Pass, so they had to be run north up the Shasta line to Klamath Falls, OR, then south to the Modoc line. A VERY round-about trip to their new stomping grounds, LOL! I saw them on the Modoc line when I was a kid--usually in helper service with an AC-10 or 12 on the front end. Talk about big power!!
Tom [:D]

[andrechapelon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by verse2damax

Darth Santa Fe, you're probably right.

AggroJones, thanks man! I'm glad I started this topic. I'm learing more each with post.

twhite, is this engine an AC9? The top looks plain (limited knowledge).



saw it on ebay.

Yep, that's an AC-9 with the coal tender as it would have appeared during its days on the Rio Grande Division prior to being converted to oil.

Andre

[Anonymous]

Darth Santa Fe, you're probably right.

AggroJones, thanks man! I'm glad I started this topic. I'm learing more each with post.

twhite, is this engine an AC9? The top looks plain (limited knowledge).



saw it on ebay.

[Darth Santa Fe]

QUOTE: Originally posted by verse2damax

Man I don't think I'm going to paint any of them just yet

You mean you're new BRASS AC-12 CAB FORWARD 4-8-8-2, right? If I EVER get a brass engine that looks that good I don't think I'll EVER paint it!! That BRASS color just looks too cool!![:D][:D][:D]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by twhite

Kevin--now I'm confused, as I was told by several other modelers that pre-'64 Akane articulateds did not have the drive shaft extending to the front engine. I've got a USRA 2-6-6-2 from Akane with only one driver set powered, and was told it was probably a '62 run.

It sounds like a mutant. My 1960 AC-9 hasd them all powered, as did every post-'64 (spring driver) AC-9 I've ever seen (all 7 of them).

Can someone shed a little more light on this?

-dave

[twhite]

Aggro--that website's invaluable--great stuff! And since the AC10-12 and M-4 drive trains are identical, it's given me some ideas for a future project. Thanks for the link.
Tom [:D][:D]

[AggroJones]

I'm affraid right after I save for and purchase an Akane M4, BLI will announce a superior version for the same price. [|(] I think I'll wait.

This guy has some great info on fixing up Akane Cab-forwards. You should check it out.

http://markschutzer.com/index.htm

[twhite]

Kevin--now I'm confused, as I was told by several other modelers that pre-'64 Akane articulateds did not have the drive shaft extending to the front engine. I've got a USRA 2-6-6-2 from Akane with only one driver set powered, and was told it was probably a '62 run. Guess I'm going to have to do some more research on these locos. Thanks for the information. BTW, the Allegheny that was going for that big price at the LHS had sprung drivers and brakes and looked as if it had just come from the manufacturer. It also had its original open-frame motor, ran smooth as a whistle, and weighed about a ton, LOL!
Tom [:D]

[knewsom]

QUOTE:
Akane made several runs of their Allegheny, the pre-1964 version has only one set of drivers powered (this was common with all Akane articulateds until 1964) and was fairly crude in detail. After 1964, the loco came with both sets of drivers powered and much better detail. Sometime later, they produced a rather 'deluxe' version with sprung drivers, intricate detail--equal to today's brass offerings. It was this 'deluxe' version the LHS had on consignment. I'm not sure who the actual Japanese builder was (Akane was strictly an importer), but it was the most beauitfully proportioned and detailed model of an Allegheny I've ever seen. The ones on E-bay are probably the earlier runs. BTW, Akane also produced a B&O Em-1 Yellowstone that was a work of art!
Tom

Tom, I have the 1962 version of the Allegheny. It has one motor, but both sets of drivers are powered. I have compared it to the 1964 version and it is the same except that the 64 version has sprung drivers and brakes. I got mine from a seller that did not get the reserve met on eBay. I paid $350 for mine, but I have seen one from the same year go for $600 +. I guess it is really just how much someone is willing to pay for it.

[twhite]

You're right about their hauling power--the Akane articulateds are heavyweights--the entire boiler cavity is usually filled with weight. My Yellowstones and AC's routinely haul 30+cars up my 2.4% grades, and will handle about 15-20 more on occasion. Good sturdy mechanisms on them, simple and uncomplicated. They're also extremely well balanced. The only other articulateds I have that can match them are my PFM L-131 2-8-8-2 and my Westside L-104 4-6-6-4's, and generally speaking, even 'used', the PFM's and Westsides cost a lot more. For its day, Akane imported a superior locomotive.
They're still very good--they seem to be pretty indestructable.
Tom [:D]

[Anonymous]

Twhite, I've seen the akane B&O EM-1 in action, it easily handled 40 + cars up a 2.5% grade. I've also seen various Akane allenghenys do the same thing. Not sure what production year they we're.

[Anonymous]

I thought all the Akanes had articulated had all drive wheels powered. Thanks for that heads up, I shall look out for that when I purchase one next time. Now that you've mentioned it the AC12 (above) above does have deluxe printed on the box.

[twhite]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Stuckarmchairing

twhite, I've seen Akane Allenghenys go for as low as 350$ on ebay!

Akane made several runs of their Allegheny, the pre-1964 version has only one set of drivers powered (this was common with all Akane articulateds until 1964) and was fairly crude in detail. After 1964, the loco came with both sets of drivers powered and much better detail. Sometime later, they produced a rather 'deluxe' version with sprung drivers, intricate detail--equal to today's brass offerings. It was this 'deluxe' version the LHS had on consignment. I'm not sure who the actual Japanese builder was (Akane was strictly an importer), but it was the most beauitfully proportioned and detailed model of an Allegheny I've ever seen. The ones on E-bay are probably the earlier runs. BTW, Akane also produced a B&O Em-1 Yellowstone that was a work of art!
Tom

[Anonymous]

WHAT!!!! Where was I?

I slowly saving for an allegheny (both N & HO, brass) to add to my collection, and I'm gonna get them, probably not soon but eventually.

Is there a book out there that goes into full details about these articulated giants?

[Anonymous]

twhite, I've seen Akane Allenghenys go for as low as 350$ on ebay!

[twhite]

Tatans, for some reason, most used Akane brass seems to be on the middle to low end of the market, even though they have good detail and superior (for their time) drive mechanisms. My last Akane Yellowstone cost under $400, and is certainly not as detailed as a newer PSC model of the same locomotive, which usually sells for at LEAST twice as much, used. However, with some Cal-Scale castings and wire, one can superdetail an Akane as much as they wish. However, not ALL Akane brass is 'bargain basement' as far as price--my LHS had a 1967 Akane Allegheny on consignment last year, the asking price was $1200. So you're right, the brass market IS variable. However, for their good detail and great running characteristics, a used brass Akane is QUITE a good buy, I've found.
Tom

[tatans]

$411? ? That's a lot of bread, but that's a lot of engine, now if they only made it in plastic it would be worth $399.00. I would have thought this loco would have cost a lot more, this just adds more fuel to the mysterious world of brass, again, beauty eh?

[Anonymous]

Did you apply the paint? Are they weathered?
You have a nice collection of Akane going there. I definately will be collecting them myself.

I have a 11'x14' layout setting up at my graphic studio. It will be strictly steam. I have two bachmann spectrum 3 truck shays fully loaded with sound and all and these bad boys will grace the outer tracks. I hvae a christmas deadline to fini***his and my N scale layout at home, if one is to suffer(miss deadline) it will be the N scale.

verse

[twhite]

Yup, it's a Yellowstone. It's one of my 2 Akane Yellowstones (this one is the older) and it's a model of a Missabe M-4, just about the meanest, nastiest loco this side of an AC-12, LOL! And those things on the front are the air-pumps, the same that you have on your AC-12 (only yours are on the 'back' of the boiler). Actually, both prototype locos were originally built by Baldwin, and about the same year. The AC-12 came in at 124,000 pounds Tractive Effort, the M-4 was a bit more, with 140,000 lbs. TE. The bundle on the top of the boiler front is an Elesco feedwater heater system--I put it on when I did some major rebuilding on the little baby last year. I'll have some close-ups of it as soon as I get a handle on this new camera of mine--
Tom [:P][:P]
Here's my two Yellowstones on a meet in South Yuba Canyon.

[Anonymous]

I beleive thats a yellow stone and those things on the front are flying pumps.

[Anonymous]

twhite, Much appreciated. I'm heading over to Walther's right now to place an order.

What loco is that in your sig? I can remember asking and getting an answer but I forgot. Do you have any close ups of it? The front looks mean I wouldn't like to be caught on the same tracks with that bad boy.
What are the things on the front of it called?
Don't mean to sound like a 5 year old but that's what this loco does to me.

[twhite]

Verse2Damax--the universal coupling kit is put out under Proto's "A-line" series. It consists of about 26 pieces of male and female universal joints and spines. The diameter of the mounting holes is the same as the Akane shafts, so you don't have to do any retro-fitting, except for the length of the coupling spine. It should give you enough material to do about three or four articulateds. It should be at your hobby shop, or if not, you can order it from Walthers. The Walther's part number is 116-12030, the kit costs about $7. All you have to do is cut and fit a little, and you'll have a very smooth articulation between the two sets of drivers. BTW, if your Akane still has its original open-frame motor, you might want to think about cleaning it a little--especially the brushes. I usually clean my open-frames about once every 3 years or so, and they run nice and quiet. I use plain old rubbing alcohol and a soft-bristled toothbrush and it de-cruds them very nicely. Just dip the toothbrush in the alcohol, turn the motor on and VERY GENTLY clean the brushes and motor mount. And for REALLY smooth slow-speed operation, I might suggest that you fit the loco and tender with the Tomar sliding pickup shoes--they're hardly noticeable between the wheels, and not only improve pickup about 80%, but the sliding action of the phosphour bronze shoes helps to keep your rails clean. You can get them at your LHS.
Well, let's see, that's about all the Akane Improvement stuff I can think about--enjoy that loco, if you're anything like me, that Akane will become one of your most frequently used pullers.
Tom

[Anonymous]

Aggrojones, what was that? YOU ARE GOING TO PAINT IT FOR ME…AND WEATHER IT TOO! GREAT! When do you want to start? lol.

Man I don't think I'm going to paint any of them just yet, I'm still doing some research as well as gathering refferences.

I was running them on a loop last night just to make sure that e'ery thang was cool and these engines are quiet when running at medium speed. I'm going to be hogging them up whenever they appear for a reasonable price on ebay. I saw a cabforward switcher the other day I was gonna get but I had already maxed my monthly MRR spending cash.

[Anonymous]

Whoa, got the tender backward and on the wrong end of the loco! Just kidding. Drooled about these when they graced the covers of MR and MRC years ago. Sounds like you got a great buy on a true piece of railroading heritage and ingenuity.
Will

[Berk-fan284]

Thanks for the tip on the U-Joints for the driveline twhite I have a couple of Akanes courtesy of Ebay also, one Cab Forward (needs work) and a 2-6-6-2 Mallet ( that looks like the motor had a melt down, but runs just fine) if you don't want to put the U-Joints in just yet hit an Radio Control hobby shop for fuel line to replace the rubber tubing driveline connectors cheaply (for now).

[AggroJones]

Congradulations. Will you be using Scalecoat 1 to paint it?

[Anonymous]

twhite, where can I get these to buy. Is it found in the older model Athearn diesels because I have quite a number of these that I've packed away. I would hesitate to go scavenging.

bangert1, I'll definately be looking out for them. Thanks man.

[Anonymous]

PFM made a complete interior kit for the Tenshodo AC12 they offered.

You might check around to see if any are for sale.