QUOTE: Originally posted by jrinnorthcountry63 hey everyone including spacemouse and tstage, thanks for the info and input on what steam locomotives to use or not to use on a 4 x 8 layout. i thought that a 2-10-0 would probaly be too big for my layout. i think i am going to go with the low boilered Bachmann 4-6-0. on Walthers' website their unlettered 4-6-0 is on sale for $129 instead of the usual $170. its not listed as on sale in their current mini sales catalog but i figure heck if its listed on the website on sale thats just as good as being shown in the magazine. also another question, how well does Bachmann's 4-6-0 and its tender travel on 18" curves. i heard from someone online that the spacing between the locomotive and tender had to be let out some as they would be too close together on 18" curves. any of you fellow model railroaders have you had trouble with a 4-6-0 or 2-8-0 being too close to its tender when coming around 18" curves? now if i could only find a few of Walther' discontinued 60 foot passenger cars. perhaps the hobby shop in pinckney michigan would have some. all other hobby shops in michigan don't seem to have any of those passenger cars. Oh well to haul passnger on my HO scale Leelanau County Railway i will just use my two lesser detailed Life-Like 60 foot heavyweight NYC coach and combine with a athearn bay window caboose, MDC outside braced caboose, Des Plaines Hobbies steel IC red side door caboose and soon to be added two undecorated Bowser PRR N-8 class cabooses. one thing i notice in Walthers' 2005 HO reference catalog is the lack of locomotives listed since Athearn and MDC are no longer listed. i think the only companies i would buy steam locomoties from would be Bachmann and IHC. it would be nice if Walthers would come out with a line of steam locomotives from say about size of a USRA 0-6-0 to say a small 2-8-0 along the lines you might have seen on a now defunct shortline like boyne city, in michigan