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"Helix & Curve radius Problems
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 3:54 PM
[:D]Hey MRXR Fans,
I have a Question[?]I want to build a helix and it will be my first time in building one, I was told a formula that will help me with the deminsions,but my math sucks
Is there a easier(but cheap)way to build one? How do I find the determind size that I need, I'm confused
[xx(] I'm working in "N"SCALE if that helps,
My second question is this, I have modern loco's SD40MAC DASH8 etc,how do I determind my radius for curves it seems like no matter how I build my curves it seems to be to tight for the loco's. I need help


Thanks again,[:)]
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Posted by ndbprr on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:16 PM
OK, the circumference of a circle (the distance you would walk if you walked all the way aaround the circle) is the diameter of the circle x pi or 3.14. So a circle one foot accross would be 1x3.14 or 3.14 feet. A two foot circle would be 2x 3.14 or 6.28 feet. So the bigger the radius the bigger the outside of the circle. Now I am assuming that N is roughly 1/2 the sixe of HO and you need 2" clearance when the train goes around the circle once so the bigger you can make the diameter the longer the distance and the lower the grade. So if you can use 24" radius in N that = a 4' diameter x 3.14 which would yield a circle 12.56' in length. Mutiply that x 12 for inckes and you have a circle that is 150.72" in length that needs to rise 2" to clear the original level. If I divide 2" / 150.72 it gives a garde of 1.32% which is a grade that shoudn't affect many engines or train lengths. If I go down to 18" radius the grade increase to 1.8% still an ok grade. much below that you are probably asking for problems as the drag may topple equipment. Now as far as your curvature problem. You have something wrong in the way your flextrack is laid. Either vertical variances or you aren't maintaining a constant curve. try making your self a template. Ribbon rail used to make track gauges of various radii to place between the rails to hold it constant until spiked down. Any machine shop could make you one easily or anybody with a CAD program could draw one for you that you make out of styrene or aluminum.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:47 PM
I've heard that you should have radius no smaller than 11" (for N-scale) for 6-wheel truck locos like SDxx locos. Otherwise you risk binding and derailment.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:04 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ndbprr

OK, the circumference of a circle (the distance you would walk if you walked all the way aaround the circle) is the diameter of the circle x pi or 3.14. So a circle one foot accross would be 1x3.14 or 3.14 feet. A two foot circle would be 2x 3.14 or 6.28 feet. So the bigger the radius the bigger the outside of the circle. Now I am assuming that N is roughly 1/2 the sixe of HO and you need 2" clearance when the train goes around the circle once so the bigger you can make the diameter the longer the distance and the lower the grade. So if you can use 24" radius in N that = a 4' diameter x 3.14 which would yield a circle 12.56' in length. Mutiply that x 12 for inckes and you have a circle that is 150.72" in length that needs to rise 2" to clear the original level. If I divide 2" / 150.72 it gives a garde of 1.32% which is a grade that shoudn't affect many engines or train lengths. If I go down to 18" radius the grade increase to 1.8% still an ok grade. much below that you are probably asking for problems as the drag may topple equipment. Now as far as your curvature problem. You have something wrong in the way your flextrack is laid. Either vertical variances or you aren't maintaining a constant curve. try making your self a template. Ribbon rail used to make track gauges of various radii to place between the rails to hold it constant until spiked down. Any machine shop could make you one easily or anybody with a CAD program could draw one for you that you make out of styrene or aluminum.


This is all well and good but he forgot to take into consideration the thickness of the subroadbed (plywood).

Gorden Odegard, (now deciesed) with Model Railroader built the "Clinchfield" which was in Nearly invisable and it had a helix. Later all of the articles were put into a magazine, it's avaliable at your hobby shop or from Kalmbach publishing.

When I built mine, I just laid it out on flat plywood and pieced it together with a 3 1/2 " clearance and away we went.

On the problems with the flex track - did you sand the cork before putting the track down? This gets rid of the irregularities in the height of the cork.

Bob
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 11:31 PM
Thanks guys, I think I got the idea now. It is the diameter of the circle that I need x 3.14. So if I say I need a 2" circle I would x that with 3.14, and make sure my clearance is 2'between the 1st level and the rest, I hope that is right, if not let me know. Like I said this is my first helix and my math sucks,
Thanks for our help!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:40 AM
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:25 PM
Thanks I will try the website.
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