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Posted by Track fiddler on Friday, July 28, 2023 9:17 AM

Feel like joining a new club today? Huh?

 

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Posted by howmus on Friday, July 28, 2023 11:39 AM

Track fiddler
B&O has daily regiments, and BO has Right Guard.

And Bo is our Superintendent of Schools here..... Geeked LOL

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Posted by maxman on Friday, July 28, 2023 12:25 PM

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Some bigger Kids, somewhere, have bigger layouts

What does that guy in the hole do?

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Posted by Water Level Route on Friday, July 28, 2023 12:28 PM

gmpullman

 

 
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The only non-New York Central locomotive I've had on the layout is a Boston & Maine RS-3, but I justified that with a trackage rights agreement in the backstory of my layout.

 

The NYC leased plenty of B&M locomotives over the years. I remember seeing them in Collinwood along with some Bangor & Aroostok Geeps plus some Great Northern locos. No need to feel like you have to stretch a fantasy story. 

 

Thanks for that info Ed!  Oh the possibilities that opens up! Pirate

Welcome back TF!

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, July 28, 2023 12:31 PM

My roof is being delivered on Monday, installation is scheduled for August 3rd.

Woo Hoo!

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Friday, July 28, 2023 12:46 PM

I suppose I could research it, but asking it here will reach more modelers and might bring out more side information.

Did the GG1 have any short-term battery support for the occasional times when it was transitioning from one set of catenary to another, or crossing some short distance where catenary was unavailable or damaged?  How far could a GG1 by itself, no load, go on a battery pack?  Or, in this kind of situation,  would they bring out a switcher and deadhead the GG1 over the gap?

I've got a GG1 on my Milwaukee-based railroad with an implausible but possible backstory.  I'll probably never build any catenary,  but it would be interesting to have a turnaround at the end of the electrified line.

It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse. 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Friday, July 28, 2023 3:31 PM

maxman

 

 
Track fiddler
Some bigger Kids, somewhere, have bigger layouts

 

What does that guy in the hole do?

 

A very good question DickYes

He engages and releases the gymnasium turntable, for the kickers at hand who are willing to turn it.

 

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Posted by dti406 on Friday, July 28, 2023 3:31 PM

gmpullman

 

 
Water Level Route
The only non-New York Central locomotive I've had on the layout is a Boston & Maine RS-3, but I justified that with a trackage rights agreement in the backstory of my layout.

 

The NYC leased plenty of B&M locomotives over the years. I remember seeing them in Collinwood along with some Bangor & Aroostok Geeps plus some Great Northern locos. No need to feel like you have to stretch a fantasy story. 

 

Ed, are you sure on the NYC leasing the BAR geeps, I am pretty sure the PRR helped finance the BAR engines which is why they had dynamic brakes as the BAR usually did not buy engines with dynamics.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Friday, July 28, 2023 5:15 PM

There's always this one!

 

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Posted by RideOnRoad on Friday, July 28, 2023 6:08 PM

MisterBeasley

... with an implausible but possible backstory. ...

This phrase reminds me of Walt Disney. He talked about using the "plausible impossible" in cartoons. A classic example is the person who runs off of a ledge and stays airborne until he looks down and sees there is no ground beneath him.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Friday, July 28, 2023 6:43 PM

Yep, that's the one!

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Posted by gmpullman on Friday, July 28, 2023 7:13 PM

dti406
Ed, are you sure on the NYC leasing the BAR geeps,

I recall the agreement that the Pennsy and BAR had in regards to 'trading' the power during potato harvest vs. Great Lakes coal movements. My only reference to the NYC comes from seeing the BAR geeps at Collinwood on several occasions in the mid 1960s. 

I don't know why they would be receiving any servicing at Collinwood as opposed to PRR's Kinsman Yard. In another twist, the PRR had trackage rights on the NYC main from Sandusky to Ashtabula, one way only and empty hoppers only.

I may have come across the info in a Classic Trains article about Great Lakes coal operations a few years back. Somewhere I have a few photos of the B&M geeps at Collinwood, too. I'll have to do some digging to remember where I put them Bang Head

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Posted by OldEngineman on Friday, July 28, 2023 9:28 PM

MisterBeasley asked: "Did the GG1 have any short-term battery support for the occasional times when it was transitioning from one set of catenary to another, or crossing some short distance where catenary was unavailable or damaged?"

It's been a long time (more than 40 years) since I got to run a GG1.

The only "batteries" they had may have been smaller (as in, "car-sized") to keep the cab signal equipment energized, interior lights, etc.

Nothing for traction power.

If there was "a gap" in the overhead, you coasted through it. Like the Cos Cob bridge on the New Haven line (no wire over the movable portion of the bridge).

Long before I got to be on a real G, I remember knowing a girl in high school whose father like Lionel trains (in fact, his name was "Lionel"!). He had them going all around his attic, with several GG1's, running off his own home-made catenary system. I went over there a few times and stayed in the attic !

Later on, I think her dad went on to become president of the Mt. Washington Cog railway.

A long LONG time ago!

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Posted by gmpullman on Friday, July 28, 2023 11:11 PM

OldEngineman
The only "batteries" they had may have been smaller (as in, "car-sized") to keep the cab signal equipment energized, interior lights, etc. Nothing for traction power.

Backing up OE's comment, here's the Auxiliary wiring for a GG1 showing the 32V. battery circuits:

 PRR GG1 Auxiliary circuits by Edmund, on Flickr

I participated in a discussion on another forum where someone posted a photo of a PRR passenger train spotted at the Long Island Railroad station at the 1964 World's Fair. There was a GG1 still coupled to the head end and someone surmised it was there to supply steam heat to the cars. Long Island RR only had third-rail on this trackage.

No way!, I replied.  The learned respondant told me I didn't know what I was talking about and that the steam generator was OIL fired so didn't need any electricity and the battery could provide the spark for the igniter.

Hard to argue with an expert!

As you can see from the above diagram, the steam heat boiler requires 224 volts supplied by the main transformer (primary connected to the pantograph) for the oil pump and blower. So, no catenary = no steam.

 

Cheers, Ed

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Saturday, July 29, 2023 10:34 AM

Relax Ed

You need not gather everything.

Leave the gathering to those ahead of you.

You look good gathered yourself.

 

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Posted by York1 on Saturday, July 29, 2023 10:38 AM

Good morning, everyone. 

After a two weeks of high temps and humidity, the sky fell this morning!  This is called heaven on the parched plains:

 

 

My wife wants to go to a movie today.  Not sure what she wants to see, but I hope it's good or I'll be paying money to take a nap.  Last week we went to see the Indiana Jones movie.  I'm in the minority when I say I didn't really enjoy it.  I might have been too tired to enjoy a movie.

More time later today to do some more layout work.  I'm seventy-one, and I have about thirty years' work on the layout left.  I need to get busy.

Have a great day, everyone.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Saturday, July 29, 2023 11:33 AM

Good morning

Judy tries to get me to take her to a movie.  It usually doesn't work.  The last one was Wizard of Oz 3D just because the monkey guys are cool and musta liked seeing them again.

We've got 1200 + DVD's on the shelves colorfully decorating the living room.  If we don't have that one, I'd rather go out and buy it, to watch in the comfortability of our own home.  It'll be cheaper than going to a movie anywayLaugh

 

I've got about 20 years left to go working on the layout and at the rate I'm going, will probably see 10.  

I'll not deny it, with that smile on my face, it's not the kill, it's the thrill of the chase! Laugh

(Deep Purple)

 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Saturday, July 29, 2023 12:22 PM

York1
Not sure what she wants to see, but I hope it's good or I'll be paying money to take a nap.

Maybe the Barbie movie that has become a phenomenon?

We are going to see it on Monday.

My daughters all said it was incredible. They actually agreed on something!

gmpullman
The learned respondant told me I didn't know what I was talking about and that the steam generator was OIL fired so didn't need any electricity and the battery could provide the spark for the igniter. Hard to argue with an expert!

I learned when I first joined this forum to let the experts just have their way. I don't know much, but what I do know I learned with my own two eyes.

-Kevin

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Saturday, July 29, 2023 1:00 PM

It was 1983.

Went to that concert with Lance in LA while we were living down there pin-stripping cars.

Went on a Whim getting tickets from a scalper by the front door.

Thought they were junk seats, right front stage.  Until Richie Blackmore turned to us and did his guitar solo.  Then those were the best seats in the House.

 

TF

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Saturday, July 29, 2023 1:34 PM

Here's a Classic.

Johnny Cash with Peter Falk on Colombo today.

About as exciting as it gets over here on a SaturdayLaugh

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Saturday, July 29, 2023 6:59 PM

Evening

A little thinking in the evening can be dangerous sometimesLaugh...Whistling

But it was pondered.  A layout starts out as carefully considered imagination.  Then put into drawings from those imaginations.

A layout starts out as a good idea, but it's only imagination, until it is pulled out of ones head and made into a three dimensional reality of ones own creation.

They're all good ideas, but one can't take pictures of great ideas, until those ideals are made into a concrete, visual reality.

And that's what keep us modelers inspired, striving towards the finish line, whether we get there or not.

"It's not the kill, it's the thrill of the chase"  And can you think of a more better relaxing past time?  

 

It does take plenty of time and dedication from the Dreamer, doesn't it? Wink

 

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Posted by "JaBear" on Sunday, July 30, 2023 5:46 AM
Some things deserve to be framed.

 Musings by Bear, on Flickr

Thoughts and Best Wishes to All that need them. Kia Kaha.
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Posted by NorthBrit on Sunday, July 30, 2023 5:47 AM

Good morning Diners.  A large coffee with cream please,  Brunhilda.

Yesterday was a big gathering of family,  some we haven't seen since before Covid.  Even 'Baby Sister' arrived.   Though not an actual sister, she has been part of our family since she was a toddler.  Being seventeen years younger than me she calls me 'her Big Brother'. 

A quiet day today, so hoping to see the train room later. 

 

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Posted by York1 on Sunday, July 30, 2023 6:46 AM

Good morning, everyone.  Just black coffee this morning.  We're ready to head out the door in a few minutes.

I have a busy week scheduled -- starting today, something is on the calendar everyday through Friday.  I probably won't be able to get to the layout this week.

Have a great Sunday.

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Sunday, July 30, 2023 9:11 AM

Good morning

Another smile was put on my face this morningSmile

What a great way to start the day!

 

Thanks BearSmile

 

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Posted by Doughless on Sunday, July 30, 2023 4:26 PM

Track fiddler

Here's a Classic.

Johnny Cash with Peter Falk on Colombo today.

About as exciting as it gets over here on a SaturdayLaugh

 

TF

 

All first generation Columbo's are good.  And that espisode is one of my favorites.  

1973?  Loved how they tried to make Sorrell Booke (also later AKA Boss Hog) look like a hip music producer with the big round sunglasses.

Episode review: Columbo Swan Song – THE COLUMBOPHILE BLOG

 

 

 

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Posted by York1 on Monday, July 31, 2023 8:53 AM

Good morning, diners.  Bacon and eggs, please.

Busy week, but I plan to do some more soldering today when I can fit it in.  I have some new sidings that will just have parked cars on them, so I am getting rid of a bunch of very short pieces of flex track.  I'm soldering all of them together since there will be some curves.  I couldn't bring myself to throw the pieces away and just use a long piece of track

Have a great day, everyone.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, July 31, 2023 12:00 PM

My wife's car would not start this morning. Bad battery.

The original battey lasted 4 years and one month, this one lasted four years and one month.

That level of consistency is amazing.

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Posted by RideOnRoad on Monday, July 31, 2023 1:56 PM

SeeYou190

My wife's car would not start this morning. Bad battery.

The original battey lasted 4 years and one month, this one lasted four years and one month.

That level of consistency is amazing.

-Kevin

We, too, lost a battery this weekend. Ours lasted two years, seven months. Arizona summers are murder on batteries. Luckily, since it was less than three years, the replacement was free. We have been using AAA's battery service and have been satisfied with the service.

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Posted by York1 on Monday, July 31, 2023 3:13 PM

SeeYou190
My wife's car would not start this morning. Bad battery. The original battey lasted 4 years and one month, this one lasted four years and one month. That level of consistency is amazing.

 

I think that's pretty good for an original equipment battery.

I don't know what your weather is like today, but when our batteries die, it is usually about 30° below zero with a 40 mph wind in a deserted parking lot.

Sigh

York1 John       

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