Out of complete curiosity, does anyone know where one could find an HO scale upright diesel? I see numerous EMD and "donkey" type steam loads. Thanks everyone!
We work with what we have, and while that is less than some it is more than others
those are hit or miss engines. Never seen any in any scale. Think one would considering they were the main power replacing stationary steam
shane
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Hit and miss engine.
Hit and miss is a method for controlling the speed of the engine. If it begins to run too fast it will "miss" a fire cycle or two. sounds funny when it misses.
NVSRRthose are hit or miss engines. Never seen any in any scale. Think one would considering they were the main power replacing stationary steam
Here you go! Google is your friend.
they still use them on tractors in india. you get a boom about once a second and they drive them on the main roads pulling massivly overloaded trailers.
Just wondering where is the OP's picture?
Since most people here are showing Hit and Miss engines. This is one I have.
This is the 1919 Cummins HVID-01 Diesel Engine on display in the Cummins Museum in Columbus, Indiana.
-Photograph by Kevin Parson
I know it is not exactly what you are looking for, but in 2019 as part of the Cummins 100th anniversary celebration, they produced all kinds of replicas of that engine in all sizes.
That might be a place to start.
-Kevin
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we do need that picture to get a better idea of the era and type.
Shane
I thought it posted with the question... I'm still learning the features of this forum.
Here's a video of what I am talking about. I am having issues with posting pictures. It's actually not a Hit and miss type
Google is a wreck on finding things, I've been going down that rabbit hole for many months trying to find something even in another scale that might work.. you should see how many tabs are open on my browser just so I can pick up where I left off on each search term.
I posted a video link reply in my original post. I'm having issues with picture posting, I don't know if its because I'm a newer member of the forums
Not seeing the link.
Firedad4132 I posted a video link reply in my original post. I'm having issues with picture posting, I don't know if its because I'm a newer member of the forums
adding pictures is a bit of a challenge here. If you go to general discussions under forums, one of the top posts there is about how to post pics and such here. It's not you, it just the way the forum is set up
i think I know what you mean though by 5e type. It looks like a hit or miss standing verticals. But isn't. It was something used at cotton mills and sugar mills and such. Nobody has made them, unless somebody has done it in 3D. you Could always get pieces that look like parts of on of those. And lay them flat on a flat at. Doubt they were shipped upright. Some couldn't have been with hoe tall they are.
Did you try searching under oil engines? Diesels from that era were commonly called oil engines.
I'm not sure whats up with that, I guess links are not allowed. I'll get a picture up as soon as I get it all figured out.
Sorry
maxman Not seeing the link.
NVSRR I finally got the picture thing figured out.. I hope.. I have checked shapeways, and even any 3D files I could find, but nothing anywhere close that I could even bash. Firedad4132 I posted a video link reply in my original post. I'm having issues with picture posting, I don't know if its because I'm a newer member of the forums adding pictures is a bit of a challenge here. If you go to general discussions under forums, one of the top posts there is about how to post pics and such here. It's not you, it just the way the forum is set up i think I know what you mean though by 5e type. It looks like a hit or miss standing verticals. But isn't. It was something used at cotton mills and sugar mills and such. Nobody has made them, unless somebody has done it in 3D. you Could always get pieces that look like parts of on of those. And lay them flat on a flat at. Doubt they were shipped upright. Some couldn't have been with hoe tall they are. Did you try searching under oil engines? Diesels from that era were commonly called oil engines. shane
Is the video a youtube thing?
Just right click on the link in the search bar, click on copy, and then paste (control V) in the post body of your next post.
maxman Is the video a youtube thing? Just right click on the link in the search bar, click on copy, and then paste (control V) in the post body of your next post.
Maybe it'll work this time, as each time I try to put a link in, it gets cut out by the Moderator, I'm assuming. Its a Fairbanks Morse Model Y series VA
Fairbanks Morse 50hp model YVA - YouTube
Regards, Ed
gmpullman Regards, Ed
That's it! It looks like my link also worked this time.
Anyway, the reason I'm looking for something like this is because I have been working on building a diorama of our old family mine in Ohio from around 1925. Hopefully this link works for the project photos, fingers crossed...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/196823846@N06/shares/D68d54b770
I'm guessing that everyone has lost paitence with me on getting posting figured out.
Sorry you're not finding the answers you're looking for.
"Traffic" here at the forum isn't what it used to be. So there probably aren't all that many participants here that actually know where to find a single cylinder diesel in 1:87 if in fact such a model even exists.
I glanced through offerings at Shapeways, which is usually a good source for "specialty" model detail parts. Many of the engines I came across were of the horizontal type and these seemed to be geared toward donkey engines used for winches and/or stationary line-shaft engines.
You might have to settle for a single-cylinder STEAM engine and make a few modifications to it to trick it into being a diesel engine.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/C7G72M5J8/ho-s-two-vertical-steam-engines?optionId=60548054&li=marketplace
There's a few detail parts that I'd like to see manufacturered but they simply do not exist. I've been in communication with some of the 3D designers and they respond with, "Yeah, that sounds neat" and that's as far as it goes. I try not to get frustrated. It is a hobby I look to for fun.
I'm not ready to invest in my own 3D printer plus the time involved in learning a 3D CAD rendering program. You might want to go that route providing you can get the exact specifics of the particular engine you are looking for and have someone design and print it for you.
Fairbanks Morse engine by FiremanRW, on Flickr
Fairbanks-Morse Diesel Engine by Jerry Willis, on Flickr
Your other option might be to gather some styrene bits and shapes. There are several styles of flywheels out there in HO and Tichy offers nut/bolt/washer mouldings that could be used to fabricate an engine from scratch.
Today and tomorrow:
MVI_7187 by Cale Leiphart, on Flickr
https://www.tuckahoesteam.org/index.html
Fairbanks Morse single cylinder semi-Diesel engine by Underground Explorers, on Flickr
http://theironmule.blogspot.com/2019/10/fairbanks-morse-type-y-va-engine.html
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gmpullman that was actually a lot of help! I searched that term ay shapeways and went through pages without coming across that. Scratchbuilding doesn't bother me, but saving time on things like that, are a big help. Especially in regard to this project, as my grandfather is the only one left with a direct connection to the project when 1:1 was at this stage in 1925. The goal is to have him relive a memory from his childhood before he passes on and then loan it to the community museum where I grew up, along with my collection of the few pictures remaining.
"Will I get ostracized/ignored on anything else for writing this? I don’t know, but this is how it looks on this end." Whoa there Firedad, carrying on like a pork chop will certainly not win you friends! You’ll just end up ostracising yourself!! CHILL OUT !!! 6 members did bother to reply within 4 days!! Ok, So the Forum can be a right pain to navigate, but there is a virtue in learning how to first; and then asking a concise question. That is to say though, that you may never get a concise answer. I asked one some years ago, and have never received an answer. The actual information on the detail that I want, I haven’t been able to find, and it’s not for the lack of trying, even a reference to, on the internet. So, I can partially excuse you, your frustration. I, not long after you posted this thread, did have a look though I was thinking along the lines of the Lister / Petter types but to no avail. I looked again after you posted that video link, with the same results. So therefore, being unable to help, I didn’t reply. Having a look at your actual photos, which would have been a help, first up, I presume that this is what you’re after… Wot by Bear, on Flickr … if it is, then I can only add to Eds suggestion that you try scratch building. I’d probably shape/carve the engine from small blocks of wood, using phosphor bronze or brass wire for the plumbing, and follow up on Eds flywheel search to see what’s available. The advantage that you have scratch building the engine is that as the photo is indistinct, no one should ever dare suggest that you haven’t got the details right! I’d actually suggest that if you’re happy with the engine you posted on YouTube, that’s the one I’d use to get the general shape. While it’s only my opinion, your planned diorama of the family mine is an admirable goal. Good luck with your progress. Cheers, the Bear.
Wot by Bear, on Flickr
Bear,
I get it, but if you look at it from a new persons pov, it is frustrating. I have lived most of my life with a small circle by choice as I just don't trust people by nature. At least you took the time and looked though the pictures i finally got posted, and then gave your opinion, and that I greatly appreciate, and you probably noticed that I started scratchbuilding the srceen/bin structure. I will more than likely end up highly modifying a steam rig off of shapeways thanks to gmpullman for finding what I spent many hours looking via different terms on shapeways for before posting the question.
I do appreciate the suggestions.
I just noticed nobody posted the posting delay. All new members posts are delayed for review to make sure they are not spam or anything. They can sit for quitew a while too. That is why you saw the long delays with the posts. maybe why pics and vids didnt come thorugh either. od that was nt psted. usually is. these forums are much quieter than they used to be.
That will make an interesting project since scratch building is about the only option. a few here will definitelt be interested in the progress.
Firedad4132...and you probably noticed that I started scratchbuilding the srceen/bin structure.
Firedad4132 ...and you probably noticed that I started scratchbuilding the srceen/bin structure. Yeah, I did notice that you had started work on the bin, good stuff. I’m guessing that the flywheel in your photo has about a 6 foot diameter. I’m not sure what the size of these are but as they appear to be resin castings and laser cut wood, they may be useful scratch building/kit bashing “fodder.” https://www.walthers.com/18-cut-stone-pier The lazy presumption is that your family mined coal, but is that so? I’m not from around those parts. I do agree with Shane, while progress on the diorama may be slow, I too, would like to see updates from time to time, please. Cheers, the Bear.
Firedad4132 ...and you probably noticed that I started scratchbuilding the srceen/bin structure.
That operation was limestone. The short history is we started out at the turn of the century, and even had 2 story above ground limestone lime kilns (they still exist, but grown over), the only thing that survived a fire in 1929 was the main bin/screen building which was sold to the smaller pit up across the road. We rebuilt and that lasted until 1965 when we bought the one across the road and rehabbed it with a modern custom plant and then the replacement plant was torn down and allowed to flood. I had the opportunity to grow up and see and climb around the original building (became derelict in 1935) that was previously moved to the pit we bought in the 60's. It was torn down in about 1993 so this is even a thing for my memory on its details as there's no real pictures of it.
I left the company in the 90's for outside experience that is also an interesting historical dive, and then went to school for mine engineering. We unfortunately sold everything in 2000 to a large international corporation who had lots of money and lawyers whose parent company is a DoD contractor, and they bragged they could put us out of business with the snap of a finger.
I ended up going underground in coal for a little while, and made a career change to the fire service, which I retired off the line in 2018, and now just deal with fire trucks.
That’s the short story...
But the positive news is that if anyone has mine specific questions like what is involved(equipment, period, set-up, etc) I have worked in pit, sand and gravel, underground, and a little hard rock, so what I have in my little brain can possibility be a help to someone who has questions. I did look through the forum to see if there's anything current, but most were 10+ years old.
Thank you Bear for the Walthers link too. I do own a resin Proton Mono SE, but I don’t know how to design anything (I’ve tried, but everything turns out like a wreck)