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Need Advice On Removing Atlas Master HO H15-44 Shell

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Need Advice On Removing Atlas Master HO H15-44 Shell
Posted by peahrens on Monday, May 10, 2021 12:44 PM

I've acquired a nice Atlas H15-44 DCC motored loco and want to replace the decoder with a Loksound 5 and speaker.  It is a 2002 model item #9510.

Atlas HO H15-44/16-44 Locomotives (atlasrr.com)

Per the attached TCS tutorial for a similar (H16-44) loco, one removes the couplers and then "gently pull apart the shell at the two ends and along the sides and lift the shell off of the frame. Take care with the handrails as you lift off the shell so they don't break."  

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It's not obvious to me how to do this without damaging something.  Prying the shell slightly from the frame side does not appear to allow simple lifting the shell off.  The diagram shows separate pieces for the short hood, cab, long hood, walking platform (sill) and fuel tank skirts.  The sill has delicate handrails and pilot steps, etc. 

If anyone can advise on how to approach this one, I would be most appreciative.

 H15-44 Diagram by Paul Ahrens, on Flickr

 H15-44 (2) by Paul Ahrens, on Flickr

EDIT: I came across the following on the Atlas site.  It's still not clear to me so I still seek comments.  Here is the text:

"Instructions for Body Removal and Replacement on Atlas HO H15/16-44 Locomotives:

The Atlas HO scale H15/16-44 shell and sill unit (combined) are held to the chassis by friction only. After removing the handrails from their holes in the cab (to avoid breaking the handrails should the cab separate from the sill unit), the best way to remove the shell/sill combination is to simply grab the fuel tank area (either the tank or side skirts) with one hand and the shell with the other. Some careful tugging and rocking should separate the two parts. There is no need to remove the coupler boxes, cab, etc. It should all come apart quite neatly and easily. The fuel tank cover (plastic part) may slide off when doing this. This is not a problem, and it may make the process easier.

When putting the shell back on the chassis, please check to ensure that the mounting tabs that hold the shell and sill unit together are all in place as these sometimes pop out of alignment when removing the shell. Also check that the air hose detail is not interfering with the coupler. With these parts in place, the shell/sill unit should simply slide back over the chassis."

HO Loco Shell Removal (atlasrr.com)

EDIT (Again): Here is a video where Larry Puckett converts a H16-44.  At time 5:40 he simply wiggles it apart.  Mine does not seem to want to do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuZFausDf9k

 

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Posted by tstage on Monday, May 10, 2021 4:54 PM

Paul,

IIRC, after removing the coupler boxes from my Atlas H16-44, I turned the locomotive over on its back and wedged four tapered toothpicks - 2 on each side - in the gap between the shell and the chassis.  I then turned the locomotive back over, bounced the locomotive slightly above my workbench or lap, and let the weight of the chassis pull itself out of the shell.

You may still need to pry the shell outward slightly more to completely remove the shell.  The tapered toothpicks, however, should give you a good startpoint.  I've found them to be indispensible in removing tight-fitting shells on all sorts of models.

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Posted by Paul3 on Monday, May 10, 2021 6:45 PM

I had one H16-44 that was very stuck.  Turns out, Atlas had used a little too much glue and I guess it was still wet when they put the shell on the chassis.  It took a lot of wiggling back and forth then and up and down to get it to break free.

There's no latches, there's no screws, it's just a friction fit.  But man, did mine have a lot of friction.

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Posted by peahrens on Friday, May 14, 2021 4:23 PM

I'm delighted to follow up and indicate success!

I again went around the shell/frame separation and slightly pried the parts apart and tried again.  Indeed, it became possible to wiggle the shell upward with repeated motion, but very stuck at the extreme end of the cab end, even though separated on the sides with straight pins.  With a close look I saw that I could gently pry through the stair gap to cause a bit of separation between the very end of the frame and the platform of the sill.  Once doing that, it came apart with some more careful, repeated wiggling.   

I'm glad I gave the attempts a rest for a few days as I wanted to address the issue patiently.  The rails on the ends are rather fragile and I wanted to separate the parts w/o damage.  It was still a considerable challenge and surely would have caused some damage if the brute force approach was used.  IMO the provided info was vital to the success, so thanks!

I must add, this is quite a nice loco for 2002 vintage.

 20210514_164054 by Paul Ahrens, on Flickr

 

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Posted by peahrens on Friday, May 14, 2021 6:49 PM

Mike, I had found that Atlas info earlier.  It states:

"The Atlas HO scale H15/16-44 shell and sill unit (combined) are held to the chassis by friction only. After removing the handrails from their holes in the cab (to avoid breaking the handrails should the cab separate from the sill unit), the best way to remove the shell/sill combination is to simply grab the fuel tank area (either the tank or side skirts) with one hand and the shell with the other. Some careful tugging and rocking should separate the two parts."

The issue is that I had near infinite friction at one end; i.e., the fit or glue meant that simply pulling would inevitably break something.  I also inquired directly of Atlas and they sent me the stock response.  (Admitedly, many manufacturers do not post such useful info.)  In this case, the Forum members real experience was the key to approaching the apparently common problem, at least for owners named Paul.

 

 

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