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Walthers, Watering Down The Whiskey!

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Posted by BATMAN on Monday, May 3, 2021 11:56 AM

I remember having to help with a speedy dismantling of a layout once. It had about 500' of track and it was all soldered together. One of the other guys said we had to desolder all the joints which would have taken forever and we had to get the layout out of the house that day. 

I just snipped all the track on either side of the soldered joints and it went in the box. In the end, each piece of flex was an inch or two shorter but was undamaged and reused on the next layout. It doesn't matter how long the flex is as long as you have enough.Laugh

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, May 3, 2021 11:52 AM

Yes you're right, you always order 5% more material in construction so you ain't running back to the lumberyard.  

But Man!  Flextrack is way more expensive than a 2x4 per stick.  I don't think I'd be ordering to much more of that stuffWhistling  

Yep, with tile I usually got about 4 extra pieces in case of a mistake too.  We did a lot of 45-degree work.

 

P.S.  I corrected my 3.7 to 3.37 mistake on my last post.  The 3 key didn't registerTongue Tied

 

 

 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, May 3, 2021 11:40 AM

Track fiddler
The way I figure it, if you had a big layout that required 50 pieces of flex track.  Ordering that track thinking it was one meter lengths but only one yard long would be a problem. A meter is 3.7" longer than a yard.  According to my calculations you'd be exactly 14' short of track on your layout

Isn't ordering flex track like ordering floor tile?

You don't buy what you need, you add a certain percentage to make up for losses and small cuts.

I think the most you would need to order extra would be one or two pieces.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, May 3, 2021 11:34 AM

BATMAN

So what about that shortened track anyway?

See ya next Saturday.

Yeah I miss the get-togethers with the guys on the weekends too Brent. 

The solving the world's problems conversations get rather ridiculous and also hilarious but they sure do make sense at the timeLaugh

 

As far as the shortened pieces of flex track go.  The way I figure it, if you had a big layout that required 50 pieces of flex track.  Ordering that track thinking it was one meter lengths but only one yard long would be a problem.

A meter is 3.37" longer than a yard.  According to my calculations you'd be exactly 14' short of track on your layoutTongue Tied  That's alot!  It isn't like you can put a scrap in-between that gap.

 

 

 

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Posted by BATMAN on Monday, May 3, 2021 11:15 AM

Yep, just like every Saturday night when a large group of friends gathers at our house. The men go watch the game(s) on the big screen with suitable beverages being dispensed. Soon the fate of the world is in our hands as the debating begins. It goes on for six or seven hours and then the wives come out of the kitchen and look at us and say, "time to take them home".

We all say "see ya next Saturday". Someone says I'll bring the rum and another guy says you are always soooo quick to volunteer for the rum just because it is cheaper than the Whisk y.Laugh Okay, I'll bring the Scotch next week but then we're taking turns. And no trying to sneak in that homemade hooch.

Another Saturday night with the friends I love, we have saved the world once again. I really miss my Saturday nights with the guys, it has been over a year. 

So what about that shortened track anyway?

See ya next Saturday.Left Hug

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, May 3, 2021 10:49 AM

It wasn't by no shape or form directed at you Overmod.  Just a bit of fun taken off your statement. 

Things get quite analytical around here at times taking the fun out.  It was indirectly meant but not meant to point fingers at anyone.

Could have some truth to it sometimes but all in good funSmile, Wink & Grin

 

 

 

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, May 3, 2021 10:23 AM

Look, it's all in good fun, not trolling.  I'm not seriously using ad hominems as insults, and I would plead that you not, either.  It was a play on the part of usquebaugh he left out, not an actual piece of invective.

This thread's development reminds me of something...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dttymMREONQ

(As LSM has an interest in model ships it's apropos... Angel)

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, May 3, 2021 10:17 AM

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As with everything else he sucks the life out of

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, May 3, 2021 10:10 AM

Lastspikemike
Then my very first contribution was met with an absurd "correction".

Which was absurd, but that has itself now been corrected.  Not to be critical, but had you explained why Scotch is always 'whisky' instead of just claiming it magisterially you wouldn't have left yourself open to being miscorrected.

You had a far better contribution just prior, in the post where you invoked the small single-malt distilleries and the nonsense of the dram.  Even re-reading it makes me thirsty for a taste of the many I haven't yet tried...

From there it is all fishwifery, all the way down.

Better than turtles, I suppose.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, May 3, 2021 10:07 AM

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, May 3, 2021 9:47 AM

Lastspikemike
Ah, that old "context" problem. There I thought...

Well, the problem is really that you didn't, although of course you'll claim differently right up until you say you always said the opposite...

the context was water, not whisky.

No, the context started with 'watering whisky', with the subsequent discussion being about the aqua vitae, not the adulterant.

Certainly the English word "whisky" is derived only from the one Gaelic word "uisce" and so my hands remain clean...

Pilate said the same thing.  It didn't do him any good to say so, either... Whistling

BTW, the English are notoriously pathetic with their transliterations of Gaelic names in general, so best not attempt to excuse your solecisms by invoking linguistic incompetence.

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, May 3, 2021 9:42 AM

riogrande5761
 
richhotrain 
riogrande5761

This forums sometimes goes on like a bunch of fish-wives!  Clown  

Fishwives is not hyphenated! 

You are now 0 for 1 on this thread, Jim. Wink

Rich 

I don't care. 

Truth be told, Jim, neither do I.  Laugh

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, May 3, 2021 9:40 AM

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I don't care.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PQUFIUn7XEM

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Monday, May 3, 2021 9:36 AM

richhotrain

 

 
riogrande5761

This forums sometimes goes on like a bunch of fish-wives!  Clown 

 

 

Fishwives is not hyphenated!

 

You are now 0 for 1 on this thread, Jim. Wink

Rich

 

 

I don't care.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, May 3, 2021 9:36 AM

Lastspikemike
The question is why every half an hour

 Canadians may not know this, but I do.  It's because in the days before chronometers, the watches were timed with an hourglass, and an actual one-hour glass would have been ponderous and fragile.  (Incidentally the system was reset every noon in weather where the sun could be seen; I trust lawyers know how.)

The 'devil to pay' is the same one in 'between the devil and the deep blue sea' and the longer form 'the devil to pay and no pitch hot'.

I confess I don't know how the critical seams got their name; I always suspected it was from that delightful Britannic intensive use of theological terms, the tradition that gave us the ineffable 'zounds!' and 'gadzooks!'  "Those seams are the very devil to pay"... (the pay, itself, being I believe one of those amusing British pronunciations of French words, in this case some version of 'poix').

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, May 3, 2021 9:15 AM

Lastspikemike
Ah, but I never claimed that Gaelic for whisky is uisce. That's just the abbreviated Anglicism. No Scot's speaker could possibly have been mislead. 

What you actually said was

Somewhat ironically the Gaelic word literally translates to "water".

The context was a discussion of whisk(e)y, for which the 'Gaelic word' always includes the 'beatha' or 'bethu' or 'baugh'.   The Irish Gaelic word 'fuisce', which is the only possible straw you could attempt to seize, is a backformation from the Pommie word.

And in America, we follow Fowler in despising your greengrocer's apostrophe, and the word is 'misled'.

We have a saying in the United States, 'know before you go'.  That can be applied to intellectual wizzing just as it does for action or travel.  Now you have a great deal of pee on your hands and nothing to show for it.

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, May 3, 2021 8:12 AM

I haven't disputed that the Scots call it whisky. It says so right on the label. We Americans takes liberties with spellings known as spelling variants. Merrian-Webster accepts and acknowledges spelling variants. It's a local thing. You will find many, many references to blended Scotch whiskey in the literature. For example...

https://www.thescotchadvocate.com/blended-scotch.html

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, May 3, 2021 7:35 AM

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Lastspikemike

Scotch is not whiskey it's whisky. 

This is a United States forum. In the U.S., it is spelled whiskey.

https://www.britannica.com/story/whats-the-difference-between-whiskey-and-whisky-what-about-scotch-bourbon-and-rye

You are now 0 for 4 on this thread.

You know, I almost hate to have to say this... but I think you misread your own article.  It clearly says there

Scotch is a whisky (no e) that gets its distinctive smoky flavor from the process in which it is made: the grain, primarily barley, is malted and then heated over a peat fire.

Where you ran off the trolley in your enthusiasm is that the discussion references the country of origin of the drink so named.

Reference to any bottle of Black will establish this beyond further argument.  If it's Scotch, it can be a boiler, it can be a yoke, it can even be tape ... but it is always "whisky".

You'd have been on firmer ground castigating him for that whopper about 'whisky' meaning 'water'.  As with everything else he sucks the life out of, he left out the 'beatha'/'Baugh' in the Gaelic that, as with its source in 'aqua vitae', is an essential part of both names.   

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, May 3, 2021 7:29 AM

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, May 3, 2021 6:20 AM

riogrande5761

This forums sometimes goes on like a bunch of fish-wives!  Clown 

Fishwives is not hyphenated!

You are now 0 for 1 on this thread, Jim. Wink

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Monday, May 3, 2021 6:14 AM

This forums sometimes goes on like a bunch of fish-wives!  Clown

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Posted by BEAUSABRE on Monday, May 3, 2021 2:19 AM

maxman
Metric time?  Time to pass out the 7.62 mm ammunition and permanently get rid of those varmints.

Soeaking of 7.62, I'll pull out my M1A

The one part of the US that is metrificated is the military. We speak ierms of distance in "clicks' (kilometers), weapon calibers are in milimeters (5.56 NATO, 7.62 NATO. 120mm M246 tank gun, 155mm howitzer, etc). Time isn't metric, but we do use the European 24 hour clock, where 2:40 PM is 1440 hours. (the Navy still uses the number of bells in a watch, so "two bells in the Forenoon Watch" is Nine AM. Watches are Morning Watch (0400-0800), Forenoon Watch (0800-1200), Afternoon Watch (1200-1600), First Dog Watch (1600-1800), Second Dog Watch (1800-2000), First Watch (2000-2400). Middle Watch (0000-0400))

Oh, by the way, 7.62mm is .30 caliber (if you're Russian ,"Three Lines" from an even more obscure system than Imperial), which is decimal based. (.30 caliber is 0.3 inches). And 7-62mm is not the same as .308 Winchester and 5.56mm is not the same as .223 Remington. SAAMI says so

 

 

 

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Posted by bagal on Monday, May 3, 2021 2:05 AM

Lastspikemike

It's difficult to correct me.

I'll have a go. The difference between 1/2" and 12.5mm is 0.2mm (about 0.008"), not 0.02mm.

So you are wrong by a factor of 10 and now 0 for 5.

 

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Posted by BEAUSABRE on Monday, May 3, 2021 2:02 AM

maxman
Metric time?  Time to pass out the 7.62 mm ammunition and permanently get rid of those varmints.

Soeaking of 7.62, I'll pull out my M1A

The one part of the US that is metrificated is the military. We speak ierms of distance in "clicks' (kilometers), weapon calibers are in milimeters (5.56 NATO, 7.62 NATO. 120mm M246 tank gun, 155mm howitzer, etc). Time isn't metric, but we do use the European 24 hour clock, where 2:40 PM is 1440 hours. (the Navy still uses the number of bells in a watch, so "two bells in the Forenoon Watch" is Nine AM. Watches are Morning Watch (0400-0800), Forenoon Watch (0800-1200), Afternoon Watch (1200-1600), First Dog Watch (1600-1800), Second Dog Watch (1800-2000), First Watch (2000-2400). Middle Watch (0000-0400))

Oh, by the way, 7.62mm is .30 caliber (if you're Russian ,"Three Lines" from an even more obscure system than Imperial), which is decimal based. (.30 caliber is 0.3 inches). And 7-62mm is not the same as .308 Winchester and 5.56mm is not the same as .223 Remington. SAAMI says so

 

 

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, May 3, 2021 12:20 AM

Lastspikemike

Scotch is not whiskey it's whisky. 

This is a United States forum. In the U.S., it is spelled whiskey. 

https://www.britannica.com/story/whats-the-difference-between-whiskey-and-whisky-what-about-scotch-bourbon-and-rye

You are now 0 for 4 on this thread. Cool

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, May 2, 2021 11:27 PM

gmpullman

All this because an importer had to find a new supplier of HO track which happens to be 3.370 inches shorter than the former product?

Brent sure has a knack —

I'm going to run trains Big Smile

Model Railroading IS fun!

Cheers, Ed 

Same here. I am going down to run some trains with a Rusty Nail in hand. Notice, no water!

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, May 2, 2021 11:12 PM

Just for the record, here on a train forum, is IERS Technical Note 36.  The relevant part starts on p.31.

https://www.iers.org/SharedDocs/Publikationen/EN/IERS/Publications/tn/TechnNote36/tn36.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=1

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, May 2, 2021 11:11 PM

All this because an importer had to find a new supplier of HO track which happens to be 3.370 inches shorter than the former product?

Brent sure has a knack —

I'm going to run trains Big Smile

Model Railroading IS fun!

Cheers, Ed

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, May 2, 2021 10:56 PM

Lastspikemike
 
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Track fiddler

I had an ex-wife once that was one of those know-it-all people that thought she was right all the time.  She couldn't stand to ever be wrong,  EVER!  She's on her fourth husband now and I was her first.  Come to think of it, I think she used to water down my whiskey.  That was just wrong!  

Well, TF, You are absolutely correct.  

A statement is either right or it is wrong. In this case, the statement is right, and you are right. 

It is absolutely wrong to water down whiskey. In fact, that is the beauty of the Rusty Nail, Scotch and Drambui, no water.

Rich 

Both the whisky and the Drambuie contain water. Whisky is generally around 50-60% water and Drambuie is even weaker. 

Ahh, well, here we go again. No one said that Scotch (a type of whiskey) or Drambui does not contain water in its formulation. What Track Fiddler said, and what I agree with, is that it is absolutely wrong to water down whiskey. That cannot be disputed. Moreover, the recipe for a Rusty Nail is Scotch and Drambuie. Nowhere in that recipe does it call for water. So, you are now 0 for 2 in this thread.

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, May 2, 2021 10:49 PM

selector

Just for the record, here on a TRAIN forum, the earth's shape is oblate...not ellipsoid. 

An oblate what? It is pretty hard to argue with science although some try. The earth is an oblate spheroid or oblate ellipsoid. 

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