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Jeffreys Diner March 2021

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Posted by Tin Can II on Tuesday, March 9, 2021 4:48 PM

Not sure what happened, but I was able to log in as Tin Can with my new email address, and then I couldn't.  So I have not been able to post for a while; and work has been such that I have not had any time to browse the forum. 

Resolution is that I had to create a new profile as Tin Can II. 

I looked at a house last weekend.  It is smallish, but it has a full basement.  Unfortunately, the basement isn't really suitable for a train room, as it is set up for a party room, a pool room, a bedroom and a bathroom.  But that is ok, because there are two barns on the property; a 30 x 50 and a 12 x 50.  Both have concrete floors.  That solves my storage problem.  With a little insulation and a HVAC install; I should have a space for exactly what I want in a layout.  Wife comes up this weekend to look at houses, hopefully, this one will meet her needs.  

 

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Posted by hon30critter on Tuesday, March 9, 2021 5:29 PM

SeeYou190
Is he staying in Germany, or did he manage the relocation to Denmark?

Hi Kevin,

Ulrich is staying in Germany. He got a very cool reception in Denmark so he eliminated that option. I'm not sure where in Germany but it is a rural property.

Dave

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Posted by hon30critter on Tuesday, March 9, 2021 5:31 PM

Here is some information about the Budd Company. They were into a lot more things than just railcars.

https://hiddencityphila.org/2018/08/budd-company-an-industrial-icon-that-broke-the-mold/

I'll dig up some pictures of the Philidelphia area tonight.

Dave

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Posted by York1 on Tuesday, March 9, 2021 5:51 PM

hon30critter
Here is some information about the Budd Company. They were into a lot more things than just railcars. https://hiddencityphila.org/2018/08/budd-company-an-industrial-icon-that-broke-the-mold/

 

That is an amazing history and I liked the pictures of the abandoned plant today.  Men like Budd helped build this country, and they don't come along real often.

Thanks, Dave!

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Posted by hon30critter on Tuesday, March 9, 2021 7:23 PM

Downtown Philadelphia. (Click on images for larger view):

An important piece of history on display:

City Hall:

Philadelphia Museum of Art:

Independence Hall:

30th St. Station:

30th Street Station railyard and power house:

 

Pennsylvania Railroad's original Chelten Avenue station:

Pennsylvania Railroad Suburban Station:

Broad Street station, now a Hard Rock Cafe:

Broad St Terminal train shed:

Broad Street Station train sheds circa 1882:

Interlocking tower:

Philly roundhouse:

Gravers Lane train station 1n 2019. One of several preserved commuter stations in and around Philadelphia:

Valley Forge train station:

Radnor train station:

Shawmont Station to be restored:

Chestnut Hill East:

More to come.

Dave

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Posted by CapnCrunch on Tuesday, March 9, 2021 7:36 PM

Dave,

Great story about the remarkable Edward Budd and the company he built.  Thanks for sharing it and all the photos.

Tim 

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Posted by cats think well of me on Tuesday, March 9, 2021 8:27 PM

Thank you for the Philadelphia pics! I spent a lot of time in Philly in 2009 when I had a job in the town of Media. I loved that time and rode trains in and out of Philly all the time. 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, March 9, 2021 9:55 PM

That beautiful bridge reminds me of the Lionel Hellgate bridge.

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Posted by hon30critter on Tuesday, March 9, 2021 11:14 PM

SeeYou190
That beautiful bridge reminds me of the Lionel Hellgate bridge.

Hi Kevin,

Yes, it is a pretty neat bridge.

Dave

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Posted by "JaBear" on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 2:23 AM
Gidday Dave, thanks for the great hosting and an especial thanks for the link to Budd. Seems he was not only a clever chap but a great employer who took care of his staff. An interesting photo in that article with the various chalk marks on the Lehigh Valley two bay hoppers.
Hope Ulrichs plans soon come to a satisfying conclusion for Petra and himself.
Cheers, the Bear.Smile

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Posted by hon30critter on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 2:58 AM

Gidday Dave, thanks for the great hosting and an especial thanks for the link to Budd. Seems he was not only a clever chap but a great employer who took care of his staff.

Hi Bear,

There is one rather negative aspect to George Budd's hiring policies. He would not hire black workers. I'm not trying to make a political comment here. It is simply a statement of fact. As great an employer as he was, he was limited by the times he was in.

Dave

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Posted by Track fiddler on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:38 AM

Good morning

I'm sure glad grocery shopping is over with from yesterday. Two heaping carts again.  The freezer, refrigeulator and cupboards are full again.  That ought to hold us another six, seven weeks.  I prefer to go to the grocery store as little as possible these days.

Good to hear Ulrich is finally getting closer to moving into his new house.  I hope the very best for him and PetraYes

The host with the most! Thanks for all the info and pictures of Philadelphia Dave.

I didn't know an almond could look like a finger tip Ed.  I enjoy almonds as a snack all the time.  I buy them by the $10 sack but never noticed.  My curiosity got the best of me so I dumped them out on a platter.  I only found two like that in the whole bagIndifferent

Head Over Heels this morning. It seems the young Albatross over in the Bear's neck of the woods, had a bit of trouble with his Landing.

 

Even a bird shows embarrassment with the little Shake of his headLaugh  They say young albatrosses are excellent in Flight right away but have problems with their Landings sometimes.  Seems to me I had some problems with my Landings when I was young tooLaugh

 

Have a great day gentlemanWink

 

 

 

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Posted by NorthBrit on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:59 AM

Good morning all.  A wet and wild day with the wind'a'blowin'.  My second birthday  in lockdown.  No hugs from my grandchildren again.  Super Angry

 

 

 

A great host, Dave.  Lovely pictures of Philly.    The city is much bigger than the village Philadelphia here in the UK.  Smile

Kevin.   Great looking bridge.   I thought it was Tyne Bridge here in Newcastle.  Laugh

 

 


Coffee  Coffee time.

 

Thoughts & Peace to All who Require

 

David

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Posted by Track fiddler on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 6:21 AM

Happy Birthday David! Happy B-Day

I forgot to comment on Dave and Kevin's Bridge my last post.  Here's my commentStick out tongueYes

 

 

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:54 AM

Morning Post Hog!

By the way, any of you guys have any good suggestions on what type of glue I should use to put this railing back on? 

I certainly don't want to make a mess all over my new locomotive.  I'm getting kind of sick of running back and forth to the hobby store and they don't have another #2300 anywaySad

 

 

 

TF

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Posted by mbinsewi on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 8:54 AM

It should just fit back into the holes it came from.

I don't about N scale locos, but most HO scale, you need to remove that railing, or at least detach it from the steps, to get the shell off.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:42 AM

Thanks Mike

I tried to snap it back in three times.  It just fell right back off.  Perhaps the snap barbs stayed in the holes.  I'm going to have to glue it or return it and there is no more 2300's left.

 

 

 

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Posted by York1 on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:52 AM

Good morning, diners.  I'll have plenty of black coffee, please.

My two mile walk this morning was a battle between me and the wind.

Happy Birthday, Dave!  Too bad about his garbage virus keeping you from enjoying the grandchildren.

Hope everyone has a good day!

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Posted by gmpullman on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:00 AM

     Cake Dave! Cake I hope you find something enjoyable to treat yourself to today!

 Garry, I hope you're doing better today Angel

I like these Bednar films. In the Anthracite regions, they show how nasty things had become before the Conrail advent:

Lots of vintage equipment here. Probably all the track seen in the video is gone today.

Thanks for your great tours of the car builders' for this months Diner, Dave YesBow

Regards, Ed

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Posted by Track fiddler on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:05 AM

Edited

Nevermind, ...but I guess great minds think alike sometimesLaugh

I'm finally getting the rain day I wanted to wash all the salt off the roadsSmile, Wink & GrinYes

 

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:42 AM

Some Forum News

We had a bad derailment in Plymouth Minnesota this last Sunday.  Tweaked the rails like spaghetti.  The video is a bit too long, the first couple minutes is plenty.

The good thing is no one was hurt.  The tanker cars were carrying molten sulfur used to make asphalt.  Those Procor cars must be built rather well as nothing leaked so no evacuations were necessary. CP anticipates the cleanup and rail repair to go well into Summer.

 

P.S.  I think I liked Ed's video from the mid-70s betterYes

 

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:48 AM

Oops, double post, please delete

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Posted by CNCharlie on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 12:00 PM

Good Morning,

Happy Birthday Dave in Britain!

TF, It shouldn't be hard to glue that railing back on. I would remove the shell and put a very small dab on the back of the holes to minimize the chance of getting glue on the paint assuming the holes go right through. I've taken the shells off N scale locos many times to install decoders. I have a set of very small jewellers screwdrivers. I then slowly pry off the shell using a tiny screwdriver to hold the shell apart. I use glue on the end of a straight pin as an applicator. Or perhaps the shop would do it for you.

Time for another coffee. Robbie is stretched out sleeping on the sofa beside me. 

CN Charlie

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 12:32 PM

Thanks Charlie

I have never been good at coming up with common sense solutions but your idea sounds great.  Funny I didn't think of that while I had my magnification visor on and could see through the tiny holes but I didn't.  Your idea can't missYes

 

Thanks again Charlie

 

 

 

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Posted by "JaBear" on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 12:50 PM

hon30critter
He would not hire black workers

Hmm I think you need to read the comments on that article , Dave. Smile

Happy B-Day David.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 1:53 PM

Good afternoon

It quit raining for a while and wifey wants to go to Hobby Lobby.  I guess I won't argue, I'll just put my Hefty two ply mask on.  I need some stuff for the layout and they have 40% off coupons on my phone they swipe.

 

 

 

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Posted by maxman on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 2:34 PM

Track fiddler
I need some stuff for the layout and they have 40% off coupons on my phone they swipe.

NOT ANY MORE!!!

I looked for one this past week and couldn't find one.  Starting looking around on the net and came up with some info that they had discontinued those general 40% off coupons.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 2:40 PM

maxman
Starting looking around on the net and came up with some info that they had discontinued those general 40% off coupons.

I did not get my usual "50% off next purchase" coupon the last time I bought something at Michael's.

I did not think anything about it at the time.

-Kevin

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Posted by gmpullman on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 2:42 PM

Budd-built cars were always sought after due to their ALL stainless steel construction, even the center sill. Pullman used Cor-Ten and clipped stainless sheathing on to it which actually trapped moisture and caused the corrosion to get worse.

 

 Zephyr by Edmund, on Flickr

 

 Zephyr_0006 by Edmund, on Flickr

 

 Zephyr_0003 by Edmund, on Flickr

 

I don't recall some of the finer points of the Pullman Company anti-trust lawsuit but one of the sticking points was the fact that in the beginning Pullman refused to staff Budd-built sleeping cars.

It must have really irked Budd management that some of their cars were lettered P U L L M A N on the letterboard!

 

Cheers, Ed

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Posted by howmus on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:54 PM

Evenin'folks!

As long as we are taking a great look at passenger cars  I would present the Original Empire State Express (or at least what is left of her) now owned by the Rochester and Genessee Valley RR Museum where I volunteer.  I can't put individual photos of the remaining cars up but the link will take you to the Muesum site which has some fairly detailed information about the cars we have.

http://www.rgvrrm.org/about/railroad/ese/

I have served as a car host several times when we have had them out on the mainline of the Livonia, Avon & Lakeville Railroad.  We have been restoring the cars and keeping them operable for a good many years now.  Last year due to the pandemic we did not use them, but hoping this summer we might be able to have a trip with them again.  Time will tell!

Alonzo, the baggage car has a small diesel prime mover in it.  That is used to provide electric power to the rest of the cars for light and (when it works) air conditioning.  When we are using them two of our volunteers ride in Governor Alonzo to keep the old diesel running.......  Oh...  All the cars were named after NYS Governors.  Most of the cars we have been able to find out which governor it was.  Sooner or later the plan is to make copies of the name plates that were originally on them and reinstall them on the proper cars.

73

Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO

We'll get there sooner or later! 

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