Good evening all.
Kevin. Another room is a train room. That's okay then.
Chicken Kiev Pasta Bake with Lemony Courgettes.
Fruit Salad for dessert.
David
To the world you are someone. To someone you are the world
I cannot afford the luxury of a negative thought
Hello Railfans!
Top of the day to ya! And daytime it us, ugh! I just get back into my rythym of sleep at day, up all night and here i am again..... eyes open when the big light is on. HUMBUG!
Well today is chore day, so out from under my rock i went. The upside to all this is today is also the day my part orders go in. Hot-diggity-do-da-day! Ive got a dozen trucks all over my desktop needing springs, a dozen flatcars needing details, not to mention the other projects sitting around waiting for some attention.
(Ya know, they print money everyday.... and its only printed to spend. So why dont i have more than i do?)
Charlie) Interesting to hear about your dad. Its a shame he didnt talk more about it. I truely understand why most dont. However, unless we pay attention to the great deeds that were done, then we are doomed to repeat them. And there are no more generations like those who went through the big wars to save us from it.
I too had Uncles and Grandfathers in the war. Unfortunately they all passed before i was born or old enough to understand. I have heard a couple stories passed down from one uncle who arrived in Pearl just after the 7th. Its not a pretty story. And i never heard it first hand.
I cant imagine the adrenaline it musta took to fly a night raid in a bomber. Daytime i think would be a bit worse but nighttime wouldnt be a slouch. Bomber or fighter, the history is too rich not to be fascinated by it. And what it took to make it happen.
David) Im with you, any spare space is train space. And now Kevins saying his old one room master is the train room, and his new master is two rooms, a bath, and living room in size.
Honestly, his feet cant hangover the end of the bed that far for him to need two bedrooms as one. My My how the mighty have fallen.
I think hes still got it backwards! The man gets a new lazer zapper and he goes construction happy. If we get him a new Challenger like TF got, do ya think we can sway him back over to the Railfan side?
Kevin) Fer shame! Looks good, but shame on you! One measly room for trains... im shaking my head in utter dismay over here!
Well folkses i spect thats about it for the time bein. I shimmy on by after while maybe, see whats crackling in the grissle pan.
A#1 North!
Douglas
Good Afternoon,
Expecting a storm tonight and then the temp will decline to -30 by Saturday.
Douglas, my Dad's log is interesting to read even if therecis little detail. There is one entry that jst says 'Attacked by ME 110'. Dad did expand on that entry late in his life. That 110 shot down the bombers flying on either side of them on the return trip home. Dad thinks the fighter disengaged because they were firing at it from the tail and top turrets and the planes shot down were not. Some crews got lazy near the end of the war and those Crews paid with their lives.
Still working on that box car kit. I should be done in a few days. Wish I had a few more kits. I paid $4 for that kit at a train show.
Running the J4e Pacific a fair bit. Sure is a little beauty. Can't beat the detail on those Samhongsa brass engines even though it is 45 years old.
CN Charlie
Cats think well of me Massanutten is where I skied. I pooped out before I skied enough to be sore the next day. I have a friend who calls himself Snowbum. At the age of 70, he was betting younger guys he could beat them to the bottom at Heavenly at Lake Tahoe....and winning the bets. He has some interesting life experiences most are not suitable for the forum.
A good thing about Covid is they limit sales of lift tickets so there are no lines to speak of at the lift.
The state of VA is shipping the vaccine to health departments instead of hospitals, after it found that hospitals, or at least my hospital, was only giving it to patients whose doctors were hospital employees.
My former hospital in Maryland gave it to people who manage the Foundation's money and have no patient contact nor are elderly.
I am on a waiting list to be on a waiting list.
Henry
COB Potomac & Northern
Shenandoah Valley
PM Railfan And now Kevins saying his old one room master is the train room, and his new master is two rooms, a bath, and living room in size.
Kind of...
My modest house was built in 1989. At that time, what sold houses was a HUGE great room. My living room is ridiculously large for a house this size. My master bedroom was pretty small (11 by 13), and two of the bedrooms were only 9 by 10. All the bathrooms were tiny, and the master bathroom did not even have a bath tub. Ah, the 1980s.
The house was good when we had the three girls at home, but now it is just the two of us.
So... the master bedroom, closet, bathroom, and the hall closet will become my 11 by 22 train room.
To get a good master bedroom suite, with room for king size bed, two walk-in closets, and a big bath tub, I needed to rob every square foot I could get. So the two smallest bedrooms, a bathroom, and half of that massive living room are being combined.
This is going to be our retirement home, and it was easier to make this one into everything we both wanted than to try to find a house with a suitable train room in Florida.
My wife really wants a master bedroom suite like you would find in a 3,000 square foot house, but neither of us want an overall large house.
-Kevin
Living the dream.
SeeYou190My master bedroom was pretty small (11 by 13), and two of the bedrooms were only 9 by 10.
For comparison, the firebox of a U.P. Big Boy is 8 feet by 19.5 feet!
I just came in from running my snow blower. Not as much fun as these guys were having. The scenery wasn't quite the same, either
Cheers, Ed
Afternoon all from the warm and sunny West Coast.
I have been working my butt off pulling up the flooring in the front hall, office, powder room and laundry room. Hardwood, tile and carpet along with the 3/8 subfloor.
I have had some new goodies for the layout including an F7B, and a Mid train dome car for a week now and they are still in the box. I did get the SW1200 on the layout but I have just been to busy to unbox the rest with my old eyes open.
Henry, I am jealous you got to go skiing. I spent a good part of my life plummeting down Whistler Mountain as fast as I could possibly go. They would set up the downhill for competitions and when the races were over you could pay a $1.00 and they would time you. It was kind of like when they let you take Dads car on the dragstrip after the races were over. On a good run I would hit a 100KPH but there were no Olympians in danger of me taking their spots. I only had one very spectacular wipeout and just remembering bouncing and tumbling down the course for what seemed like an eternity. When I finally stopped, everyone on the lift was yelling and asking if I was all right. I was no worse for wear but had purple arms and legs the next day.
This is the interior of a Baggage dormitory car on the Canadian, does anyone (Ed) have any more pics of the inside of one of these cars?
Charlie, I had a lot of relatives flying in WWII, mostly bombers like the Lancaster. The two main reasons the bombers could not shoot back would be because either the gunners were dead or severely wounded or they would just be out of ammunition. Those .30cal and .50cal rounds were heavy and they could not carry as much as you might think. Weight of the bomb load and fuel load would also affect how many rounds they could take along.
I think I will get my Covid shot in April if all goes according to schedule. I am willing to wait a little longer being skinny and fit. My wife is very high risk and I hope she gets hers soon.
The wife just showed me an oceanfront house on Vancouver Island that has a 53" x 17" unfinished train room in it (no windows). If our house was not in pieces we may have made an offer. It is only a 20-minute walk or 3-minute bus ride to UVIC where our daughter is going.
I keep thinking about a track plan for it.
https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/22781373/2228-arbutus-rd-saanich-gordon-head
I think I'll go and unbox something Rapido. Pics to come.
All the best to all.
Brent
"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."
BATMANThis is the interior of a Baggage dormitory car on the Canadian, does anyone (Ed) have any more pics of the inside of one of these cars?
I've got the same photo, Brent. Got a floor plan, though:
Budd_Cdn-Dorm by Edmund, on Flickr
Got one for that guy that likes bridges:
That’s a lot of bridge… by Mike Danneman, on Flickr
BATMANthat has a 53" x 17" unfinished train room in it (no windows).
Your not gonna get much Model railroading in that little closet! Now if it was 53' x 17' that would be great!
Sorry! I just couldn't resist!!!
73
Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO
We'll get there sooner or later!
Good evening.
Ed ... Thanks for the Darango and Silverton pictures. I rode on it in 1965. I should dig out my old 35mm slides to see what can be salvaged,
John York 1 ..... Thanks for posting the Royal Gorge photos.
Brent .... I like the photo of the CP train on a steel trestle.
Everybody ..... Have a good evening.
GARRY
HEARTLAND DIVISION, CB&Q RR
EVERYWHERE LOST; WE HUSTLE OUR CABOOSE FOR YOU
BATMANThe two main reasons the bombers could not shoot back would be because either the gunners were dead or severely wounded or they would just be out of ammunition. Those .30cal and .50cal rounds were heavy and they could not carry as much as you might think. Weight of the bomb load and fuel load would also affect how many rounds they could take along.
A B-17g would carry over 10,000 rounds of .50cal along with the full bomb load. 1,000 of these were in the Sperry Turret.
That is quite a bit of ammunition, I think.
There were a few B-17s that were converted into gunships, the most famous being "Old 666" (serial number 412666). These could supposedly carry in excess of 40,000 rounds, some even being 20mm guns, but there is nothing official since all were field custom modifications.
There are stories of a B17 being equipped with 40mm Bofors A/A guns in the waist positions, but these are 95% likely untrue.
Good Evening,
The Handley-Paige Halifax my father wasin carried a 4 gun rear and upper turrets that had .303 machine guns. He flew in Mk.llll and Mk.lv versions with Bristol radial engines. Earlier versions had nose and side guns but the Brits flew mostly night missions and found fighter attacks came from the rear. They once got trapped by searchlights but escaped as their pilot was really good and could do the side slip U maneover really well. He said your stomach went to your throat doing that maneuver. Their plane had quite a few patches from flack.
Brent, I'll go with my father's opnion as he was actually there and saw what happened. Fatigue induced sleep was a real problem on the return of a 7 hour mission. Dad said the pilot was often saying on intercom ' Fox are you awake' The gunner's name was Fox.
C
N Charlie
I took my wife to the dentist today. It was all very bad news.
She needs to go back on Monday and have three teeth extracted. She will need at least a partial, and maybe a full set of dentures to correct everything.
I got nothing done on the house, but we spent a lot of time together today.
The World Is A Beautiful Place.
The short answer is about 15 seconds of total fire, delivered in seven to eight two-second bursts.
A Spitfire MKI and II had eight (8) Browning .303 machine guns, each with 300 rounds and a rate of fire, when sustained, at 1,150 rounds per minute. A total weight of 2,400 rounds was carried. Each gun delivered about 19 rounds per second, so 152 rounds per second total.
The Air Ministry found in tests, (the ones that determined eight guns vs. the previous two and then four per wing), that a two second burst at close range, meaning closing in below 300 yards, with eight guns, gave the best effectiveness and balanced armament weight with maneuverability. A two-second burst would deliver over 300 rounds potentially in a 6-foot circle at 300 yards.
gmpullmanFor comparison, the firebox of a U.P. Big Boy is 8 feet by 19.5 feet!
That is insane! I cannot imagine looking into a firebox that cavernous.
SeeYou190That is insane! I cannot imagine looking into a firebox that cavernous.
The fireman's prayer:
Please don't let the stoker jam
Conversion to oil was probably a blessing. Even with the stoker you still had to hand-bomb the corners.
The good ol' days Cheers, Ed
gmpullman Even with the stoker you still had to hand-bomb the corners.
How would a fireman even look through all the embers and heat to see what the corners looked like?
I walked into my bedroom and tried to imagine it as a bed of coal and heat. I can't.
I honestly cannot even imagine. A firebox that big literally sounds like hell.
SeeYou190How would a fireman even look through all the embers and heat to see what the corners looked like?
Foot on the pedal to open the door. Coal scoop in your hand used to direct the air flow through the firebox door. The draft was strong enough that the blast of air would "clear a path" so you could inspect the firebed. Clinkers looked dark, sometimes black. Thin spots would be bright. Shoulder and upper arm protecting your face from the radiant heat.
You could "skip" the rounded bottom, back of the coal scoop against the firebox opening while slinging the coal in. This would fan the coal out and give it a little extra velocity to hit those distant corners.
To hit the back corners you would "flip" the scoop 180° just as the lip entered the door opening. It was awkward for me to hit the right-back corner because uou had to contort yourself to get your wrists to twist that way.
You'd get the "eye" from the engineer if you lost your rythm (or hit a low joint and lunged) and the scoop caught the door and coal showered the inside of the cab
Fun Stuff! Ed
Good morning guys. Been laying low in the corner with a few top shelf drinks to keep me company. Had a really up and down last week or so. The good: We finally received the dining table we ordered back at the end of August. We were told 2-3 months then. What do you do? Then we bought a new travel trailer at the end of the week. That will be nice! Our little pop-up was just too small. The kids aren't getting any younger and we do all enjoy camping. Now we'll actually have the space to enjoy it when we must be inside. The bad: Found out over the weekend that someone tried to use my identity to claim unemployement benefits in Kentucky. (Thanks Equifax for letting my personal info get compromised ) Of course this attempt was right about the time I had my credit reports thawed so I could get the loan on the trailer. Luckily, it appears that was the only attempted use of my information and no damage was done, but who knows what could be coming. Will have to stay vigilant.
Love the WWII discussion. Anybody been to the museum in New Orleans? It's fantastic!
Take care fellas.
Mike
Top of the evening to ya! Hope everyone is doing well.
Ed) Seems to me i remember reading in a C&O book about the H8 that went something like this.... " .... and had a firebox the size of a formal dining room." To me, that seats atleast 8 or more!
Concerning that massive bridge picture above...
What the "bridge guy" thinks: HUBBA HUBBA!
What the rest of us are thinking: "I just got a great idea for gondola loads."
The last time i fired a steamer, the trip was so short i only got to work the injector.
Kevin) I hear you on the 8' x 9' bedrooms of the '80's. My last residence was of such quality. Came away from there with a great appreciation for shelf based layouts!
With a door in, plus a closet door to swing in aswell, you know you gotta be creative furniture wise when the doors are open. Even the shelving cant be centered on the wall. Perfect for a nursery but thats about it!
In General) Thanks guys for sharing your info and storys on the warplanes and the relatives who flew them. Fighters and bombers alike! Im always up for a good read like that.
Have a great day everyone, keep the world spinning til its my turn again.
Clear Ahead!
Hello all. Dawn is going for her 'Covid 19 jab' today. I go tomorrow.
Interesting conversations about WW2 aircraft. My mother was in the Air Transport Auxiliary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transport_Auxiliary
I may get time to run a few trains today.
Thoughts & Peace to All who Require.
Good Morning All,
25 F and cloudy this morning. I'll have just a regular to go please Zoe. Like most veterans, my dad didn't talk much about what he went through in the Pacific. He got to Australia while things were still really dicey and bounced around from one bomber group to another depending on who had flyable equipment and a need for crew. He only did a couple of missions in B-17's and 25s spending most of his time in B24s when they showed up in quantity. He island hopped with the 13th bomb group of the 5th airforce (I don't have all that info in front of me) under General Kinney. Because he was a little guy they put him in the Sperry turret in the belly of the plane. He had to run the turret down and up for take off and landing and get in through a hatch sans parachute. Long range missions were flown without fighter cover and were the most difficult and dangerous. He was shot down on one of those missions in 1943 off the coast of the Phillipines and was one of only a couple of his crew to survive because he had to hand crank the turret back up since the hydraulics were out, put his chute on and bail out. He was so long getting out he was far away and missed being shot in his chute or life raft like most of the rest of his crew. He spent a couple of days in his one man life raft ending up on Mindanao where he was found by friendly guerrillas and sheltered until they could get him picked up. That was the expurgated version and I didn't even hear that until after I had been drafted and he wanted to give me some inkling of what I was getting into. It wasn't until I was going through some of his papers after he passed that I found out he was in such bad shape when he was picked up that even after hospitalization he was unable to function and had to be shipped home (though he still got over 50 missions in). What they called combat fatigue then we now know as PTSD. Truely we will always owe a debt to his generation. J.R.
My granddad, also named Alvie, was in a USMC air transport unit stationed at Cherry Point MCAS in North Carolina, as well as in the South Pacific. He had been a crew chief and even logged some flight hours on R4D transport planes. The Navy and Marine's version of the DC-3/C47. Towards the end of the war and into 1946 I understand, he was in Tsingtao China. He had great stories to tell up until he passed on in November 2016. In the mid-90s as a teenage aviation enthusiast he introduced me to a friend of his who had been a dorsal turret gunner on B24 Liberators. I was only 13 but remembered so much of what the gentleman had told me about that time. He mentioned a story one time of getting ready to shoot at a German fighter plane and said before he could pull the triggers a P38 Lightning had destroyed the plane he aimed at.
In April 2019, a friend of my mom's from college in the early '70s had organized a funeral service at Arlington National Cemetary for his father who'd died around 2001 and they discussed his life as an Air Force fighter pilot including his time flying P51 Mustangs on bomber escort duty over Germany during the WWII. It was fascinating to say the least.
Alvie
Howdy ....
My accomplishment of the morning: ...... I received my second dose of the Covid-19 vaccine.
Be back later. ..... Cheers.
I've lost track of where we woke up this morning -- New Mexico? Utah?
I just got my first vaccination. We get the second one in 28 days.
For years, my wife and I worked and raised our daughters -- and we had the normal worries -- don't drive too fast, be careful, watch out, call us when you get to your destination, etc.
Now the tables have turned. When we talk to them, they are telling us to be careful driving, be sure to eat the right foods, call us when you get home, etc.
What brought this up was that the girls have been worried about us getting the virus. They all were so relieved this morning when they heard we were getting the first dose. We can't talk to them without them giving us advice on taking care of ourselves. We are now the kids and the kids are our parents.
York1 John
Heartland Division CB&QMy accomplishment of the morning: ...... I received my second dose of the Covid-19 vaccine.
That is great news. My wife and I do not even qualify to get on the Florida waiting list yet. She will qualify before I do.
York1Now the tables have turned. When we talk to them, they are telling us to be careful driving, be sure to eat the right foods, call us when you get home, etc.
My wife and I are mid-transition with our babies. The oldest one worries about us all the time. I think this is because she is the only one in a real position to help us out if we needed. The middle one is all involved in her own little world right now and is full of worries. The youngest does not sem to worry about anything at all.
I am certain it is just a matter of time before they all are worried for us.
Hi Everyone,
Making a semi-rare appearance here. Ed had said that the diner was going from KC to Denver. Well I'm probably way late, but I do have a couple of pics to share from a town along the way. The pics are of a manually operated turntable, which you may find interesting. I took these when I borrowed my Dad's camera and rode my bike to the RR yards in town and just happened to "get lucky" as it were.
BTW: the turntable was dismantled within the following ten years. I went back to the spot some years after the pics were taken and all traces of it were gone.
The pics are of a locomotive being turned.
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Enjoy!
Jim (with a nod to Mies Van Der Rohe)
Jim, those are neat pictures you took. There are a lot of people who would love to see what you saw there.
We got the storm last night but only 5" of snow. Getting colder though, -30 by Sat.
NorthBrit Dave, Dad was in a RAF squadron #77 based at Full Sutton in Yorkshire. Although he was RCAF, his squadron had personnel from all over the Commonwealth. His crew was from Canada, Australia and New Zealand. The Squadron Leader was a Brit.
Got the Red Caboose box car done. It turned out nice.
Time for supper.
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