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Which Company Manufactured These HO Freight Cars?

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Which Company Manufactured These HO Freight Cars?
Posted by Shock Control on Sunday, January 3, 2021 10:42 AM

I have a couple of HO box cars that I picked up used, and they seem to be from the same company.

What is unusual is that the steps are part of the underframe and not part of the car body.

Based on the condition of the cars, the materials (mostly plastic), and clarity of the text printing, I would guess that these are of a more recent vintage.

Anyone know who manufactured freight cars with the steps on the underframe?

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, January 3, 2021 11:18 AM

Shock Control
Anyone know who manufactured freight cars with the steps on the underframe?

Kadee 40 and 50 foot box cars use an end sill step that snaps into the underframe.

Photos here:

https://www.kadee.com/documents/4100-4110ins.pdf

 

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Posted by Little Timmy on Sunday, January 3, 2021 11:27 AM

Some pictures would help.

Roundhouse/Model die Casting made some boxcars with the steps on the under frame.  But, the underframes were cast metal.( I'm working on 5 of them now.)

 

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Posted by G Paine on Sunday, January 3, 2021 11:36 AM

A photo of the underframe would help, a number of manufacturers built this way

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Posted by Shock Control on Sunday, January 3, 2021 11:42 AM

Little Timmy
Some pictures would help.

Roundhouse/Model die Casting made some boxcars with the steps on the under frame.  But, the underframes were cast metal.( I'm working on 5 of them now.)

These cars have plastic underframes.  The axles are metal, but just about everything else is plastic. They are both 40' boxcars, NYC and PRR.  

 

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Posted by Shock Control on Sunday, January 3, 2021 11:43 AM

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A photo of the underframe would help, a number of manufacturers built this way

I don't use a third party server for photos.  If you can name any companies in recent years who did mostly plastic cars with steps connected to the underframe, I can do the sleuthing.  

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Posted by PC101 on Sunday, January 3, 2021 11:45 AM

The Kadee 40' box cars have a metal frame with flexible side steps that are attached on the top side of the metal frame. The metal frame is marked ''Kadee" close to one of the trucks. The Kadee car came with ''sprung" side frames and self centering trucks (to line up on the rail head) and underframe brake details.

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Posted by Shock Control on Sunday, January 3, 2021 11:58 AM

These apparently are not Kadees.

The underframe and the steps are black plastic.  The steps are not painted to match the accompanying boxcar paint schemes.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, January 3, 2021 11:59 AM

You can email me the pictures and I will post them.

I think that is the quickest way to find out.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Sunday, January 3, 2021 12:26 PM

gmpullman

Link doesn't work Ed.

This is a quessing game.  Confused  No writing or anything on the bottom?

The few Kadee kits I've seen, the steps are a seperate item, not on the body.

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, January 3, 2021 12:42 PM

mbinsewi
Link doesn't work Ed.

Fixed it, Mike Yes   https://www.kadee.com/documents/4100-4110ins.pdf

Shock Control
The underframe and the steps are black plastic.  The steps are not painted to match the accompanying boxcar paint schemes.

That's the way all my Kadee HO box cars are, if I'm not mistaken. Black delrin no matter what the carbody color is.

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Posted by Shock Control on Sunday, January 3, 2021 12:54 PM

gmpullman
That's the way all my Kadee HO box cars are, if I'm not mistaken. Black delrin no matter what the carbody color is.

Good Luck, Ed

The underframes on these cars are less complex.  They are a single piece of plastic.  The Kadee underframes are reminiscent of those of Athearn kits.  

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Posted by doctorwayne on Sunday, January 3, 2021 2:33 PM

I found a similar underframe in a box of saved junk, but it's for a 50' car.  There are no markings on it, but it has moulded-in holes for adding the major brake gear components...

I thought that it might be for some 50' ConCor gondolas I have, but it's slighly too short for those cars.

I took a not-too-thorough look through HO Seeker, guessing that the mystery item might be from Tyco, ConCor, Model Power or LifeLike (the proto-no-thousand early LifeLike), but none of the photos showed rolling stock with painted and lettered bodies, but stirrup steps in black.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Sunday, January 3, 2021 2:36 PM

I vote for Wayne's!  

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Posted by Shock Control on Sunday, January 3, 2021 2:37 PM

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I found a similar underframe in a box of saved junk, but it's for a 50' car.  There are no markings on it, but it has moulded-in holes for adding the major brake gear components...

I thought that it might be for some 50' ConCor gondolas I have, but it's slighly too short for those cars.

I took a not-too-thorough look through HO Seeker, guessing that the mystery item might be from Tyco, ConCor, Model Power or LifeLike (the proto-no-thousand early LifeLike), but none of the photos showed rolling stock with painted and lettered bodies, but stirrup steps in black.

Wayne

Thanks, this looks similar to the ones I have.  I have never seen a Tyco or Life-Like car made this way.  Also, the quality of the colors and printing is a definite step up from those of the cheap brands. This looks like either a high-end line of cars from a cheapo manufacturer, or a budget line of cars from an upscale manufacturer.

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Posted by wp8thsub on Sunday, January 3, 2021 3:08 PM

DSC02631

by wp8thsub, on Flickr

Does the car look overall like this?  It's a Model Die Casting kit with the later underframe that was cast in plastic.

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Posted by Shock Control on Sunday, January 3, 2021 3:59 PM

wp8thsub
Does the car look overall like this?  It's a Model Die Casting kit with the later underframe that was cast in plastic.

Yes, one of the two cars looks like that, although the trucks don't appear to be as nice as the ones in the photo.

The other car has double doors that don't appear to open.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Sunday, January 3, 2021 4:20 PM

When I put that underbody back into the box, I found a roof, moulded in the same shade of black plastic, and with the exact same width and length as the portion of the floor that's apparently meant to fit into the carbody casting.  Based on the roof, a radial type with moulded-on platforms and ice hatches, I'd guess that they're from a more recent version of Model Die Casting's wooden express reefer.  I never cared for the appearance of those cars because they looked to me to be unnaturally low-sided.  I believe that the original version of those cars did have the cast metal underbody.

I vaguely recall that somebody gave me that car, which lacked some of the detail parts.  I probably kept the roof, with thoughts of later shortening it and building another 40' reefer, although I'm not sure why I kept the floor...likely to re-claim the sheet metal weight, as that box of junk has a pile of metal weights.

I won't go so far as to say that your car-floor may also be a Model Die Casting item, but I'm pretty sure that mine is.
MDC/Roundhouse did make some pretty good models, and perhaps made a switch to plastic underbodies - likely cheaper to produce than the metal ones, and the older plastic car-bodies would likely be a slip-on fit.  They did make at least one 40' steel boxcar, and also a single sheathed 40' wooden boxcar, both with a wide variety of roadnames.

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Posted by Shock Control on Sunday, January 3, 2021 4:41 PM

Were Model Die Cast and Roundhouse related?  I am not very familiar with either brand.  (I am more of an Athearn guy.)

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Posted by wp8thsub on Sunday, January 3, 2021 5:03 PM

Shock Control
Were Model Die Cast and Roundhouse related?

They were the same brand.  Athearn has since bought them out and rebranded some of their own lower detail offerings under Roundhouse, regardless of origin.

doctorwayne
MDC/Roundhouse did make some pretty good models, and perhaps made a switch to plastic underbodies - likely cheaper to produce than the metal ones, and the older plastic car-bodies would likely be a slip-on fit. 

They did.  Some of the cars, like the 40' box I pictured above, were released with plastic floors with cast-on steps, and the plastic parts were essentially identical to the old metal parts.  Athearn continued to use this later version of the MDC 40' boxcar with the plastic floor as a Roundhouse/RTR version.

 

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Posted by PC101 on Sunday, January 3, 2021 5:59 PM

Is the 40' PRR car oxide brown with sliding doors and has the road number of 87742?

Is the 40' NYC car jade green with a 6 panel sliding door and with a black roof and ends and has the road number of 173888?

EDIT. I just see now one of your cars has double doors that do not move (maybe glued in place or molded in place).

EDIT- Anyone know of a 40' Double door in MDC/Roundhouse? RE-EDIT- OK, looks like there is a Ready to Roll NYC #77141 in jade green. Thanks Rob.  

All my MDC/Roundhouse are pre Horizon.

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Posted by Shock Control on Sunday, January 3, 2021 7:02 PM

PRR is 24301.

NYC is 77141.

At any rate, I like the idea of having the bottom steps connected to the unframe, rather than the body.  

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Posted by PC101 on Sunday, January 3, 2021 7:16 PM

Bottom view of a MDC/Roundhouse kit 40' box car's plastic frame. The yellow circles are the location of circles molded on to the plastic frame.

 

 

 

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Posted by PC101 on Sunday, January 3, 2021 7:23 PM

Shock Control

PRR is 24301.

NYC is 77141.

At any rate, I like the idea of having the bottom steps connected to the unframe, rather than the body.  

 

Any chance the PRR 40' box car has the ''Don't Stand Me Still" lettering under the "PENNSYLVANIA" lettering? I have this one with the plastic frame, it is PRR #24303. The box is marked (40' Box Car Kit - 1042 -Pennsylvania - $4.98) in 11/4/87. I remember that PRR 40' model #1042 came with different road numbers, you had to open the box to see what the road number was. These cars were on a lot of RR's back then as now, only problem back then there were no end reporting marks on the cars right out of the box.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Sunday, January 3, 2021 7:58 PM

wp8thsub
doctorwayne MDC/Roundhouse did make some pretty good models, and perhaps made a switch to plastic underbodies - likely cheaper to produce than the metal ones, and the older plastic car-bodies would likely be a slip-on fit. They did. Some of the cars, like the 40' box I pictured above, were released with plastic floors with cast-on steps, and the plastic parts were essentially identical to the old metal parts. Athearn continued to use this later version of the MDC 40' boxcar with the plastic floor as a Roundhouse/RTR version.

Thanks for the confirmation, Rob, as it pretty-well clears-up the mystery.

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Posted by Shock Control on Sunday, January 3, 2021 8:41 PM

PC101
Any chance the PRR 40' box car has the ''Don't Stand Me Still" lettering under the "PENNSYLVANIA" lettering? I have this one with the plastic frame, it is PRR #24303. The box is marked (40' Box Car Kit - 1042 -Pennsylvania - $4.98) in 11/4/87. I remember that PRR 40' model #1042 came with different road numbers, you had to open the box to see what the road number was. These cars were on a lot of RR's back then as now, only problem back then there were no end reporting marks on the cars right out of the box.

Yep, that's it!  Is that MDC/Roundhouse?  Any idea of the approximate dates of production, based on the one-piece plastic underframe?  Edit:  I see 1987.

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Posted by PC101 on Sunday, January 3, 2021 8:52 PM

Yes it's a ''Model Die Cast/MDC/Roundhouse''. Pre Horizon.

Now for that Double Door NYC #77141 car.Hmm

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Posted by wp8thsub on Sunday, January 3, 2021 9:05 PM

PC101
Now for that Double Door NYC #77141 car.

Do a web search for "NYC 77141" and you get photos of a double door MDC Roundhouse car.

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Posted by dti406 on Sunday, January 3, 2021 9:09 PM

The only problem is the car with the number 24303 is an X29 which had the "Don't Stand Me Still" logo but the Roundhouse car is not a X29 which were only 9' IH and the Roundhouse car is a 10'6" Inside Height car which makes it either a 1937 Mod AAR or 1944 AAR Car, if I could see the ends I could tell, but without seeing the ends I can't tell.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Sunday, January 3, 2021 9:39 PM

Shock Control

 

 
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Any chance the PRR 40' box car has the ''Don't Stand Me Still" lettering under the "PENNSYLVANIA" lettering? I have this one with the plastic frame, it is PRR #24303. The box is marked (40' Box Car Kit - 1042 -Pennsylvania - $4.98) in 11/4/87. I remember that PRR 40' model #1042 came with different road numbers, you had to open the box to see what the road number was. These cars were on a lot of RR's back then as now, only problem back then there were no end reporting marks on the cars right out of the box.

 

 

Yep, that's it!  Is that MDC/Roundhouse?  Any idea of the approximate dates of production, based on the one-piece plastic underframe?  Edit:  I see 1987.

 

After MDC/Roundhouse was bought by Horizon and made part of Athearn they used this tooling for lots of Athearn branded "Ready to Roll" items since this tooling was newer and better than the old Blue Box tooling for similar cars. 

They are likely still using it, but I have not bought any recent releases to know for sure.

So you can find these cars as first offered in kit form in the late 80's, as RTR from MDC, or RTR from Athearn.

I have a bunch of them, in all the versions and lots of different roadnames.

So you got these without boxes? 

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