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Posted by rrinker on Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:02 AM

 "The best way to make a small fortune in model railroading is to start with a large fortune"

 There was a rumor of Sergent shutting down, but they are still there and taking orders. It appears they had some issues with their older investment casting equipment so some items are permanently out of stock - on the web site it says they are encouraging others to make these parts since the design was open sourced for anyone to use.

 I've considered switching over, before I get too far along, but I keep flipping back and forth. 

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Thursday, September 17, 2020 6:53 AM

CandOsteam
Before going over completely to Sergents

While they do look good, I don't have time for yet another hobby so good old Kadee's will have to do. Smile  Didn't Sergents shut down?

tatans

The guy that invents an effective, easy, method of uncoupling cars on a model railroad will be the 3rd richest guy in the U.S.

I kind of doubt that.  From my observations, few got filthy rich producing model train products.  But I'm sure it would make a lot of model train people happy none the less.

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Posted by rrebell on Thursday, September 17, 2020 12:39 AM

Well I tried a few other shapes but the one that works best is made out of 1/8" plastic rod tapered to a point only in the last 3/16" on one side. Works 80% of the time first try with non Kadees. We will see if I can do better.

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Posted by selector on Thursday, September 17, 2020 12:32 AM

Add me to the list of those who like to line their turnouts by hand, who uncouple by hand/skewer.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 11:51 PM

RR_Mel
All of the uncouplers work good except the individual magnets, I didn’t give up easy, I tried the magnets in several positions and I just wasn’t as happy with their operation as the regular Kadee’s. 

I also experimented with a few different uncouplers using small round powerful magnets.

It was a frustrating failure.

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Posted by OldEngineman on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:19 PM

I use a "plastic fantastic brakeman" -- the Rix uncoupling tool.

You can also "flip it around" and use the "flat end" to make hitches where the couplers don't naturally align (curves, etc.).

But the Rix doesn't work on everything. It's best with Kadees, but it has problems with the couplers Accurail uses on some of their cars. And if you have a car with a lot of metal near the end (caboose with metal ladders, things like that), the magnets on the coupler will make it harder to handle, and might even pull a metal part off the car. So in those cases, I just use "the big hand".

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Posted by cowman on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 7:25 PM

I have found that the skewers that come with a chinese meal, are thinner and work better than the BBQ/kabob skewers available at the grocery store.  Probably could make your own by sharpening a thin dowel.

Good luck,

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Posted by rrebell on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 5:23 PM

All this imput got me to tweek a plastic sckwer that worked but still had issues with, I found out that the unit needs to sit on the coupler and the tapered part only going down so far. Will keep working on it.

 

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Posted by mvlandsw on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 4:32 PM

I like to use a sharp lead pencil. Placing the point between the Kadee uncoupling pins from the side opens both knuckles at once. I find this much easier than trying to get a stick into the small space between the knuckles from above.

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Posted by tatans on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 3:26 PM

The guy that invents an effective, easy, method of uncoupling cars on a model railroad will be the 3rd richest guy in the U.S.

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Posted by fwright on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 2:51 PM

I started out being one of those who believed human hands do not belong in the scene.  It's hard to let go of.

But then reality of wanting to operate a layout sets in.  Even in my Lionel days, I hated being limited to uncoupling over a ramp.  The later post-war at least had tabs on the couplers to uncouple manually.

And now in HO and HOn3, I'm certainly not going to install an uncoupling device everywhere I'm going to uncouple.  Switching is part of the operating fun for me.  And when I realized that once I started using bamboo skewers for uncoupling (I collect chopsticks and carve them down), I had already set myself up for walk-around operations, it made the other decisions easy.  Walkaround control (I use tethered because my layouts are small), turnouts operated by switches in the fascia or manually, no indicator lights needed, and no control panels needed.  Shelf layouts are more conducive for skewer operations than rectangular, so continuous running is no longer a big deal.

One little locked-in decision makes many of the others for you.  I love this hobby!

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Posted by CandOsteam on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 2:48 PM

Before going over completely to Sergents Smile, I used-with great success-the Kadee #241 manual uncoupling tool that has a designed spade shaped head to open knuckles.  https://www.kadee.com/documents/241.pdf

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Posted by RR_Mel on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 2:39 PM

I’ve had very good luck with the Kadee 321 between the rails magnets.  I also tried the ⅛” Neodymium magnets but didn’t find them as nice as the 321s.  I also have a pair of Kadee 309 under the layout uncouplers, they work very good.

I also made a couple of my own design under the layout uncoupler that also work very good.

This is a link to the Mel uncoupler.
https://melvineperry.blogspot.com/2020/01/january-25-2020-mels-magnetic-uncoupler.html

All of the uncouplers work good except the individual magnets, I didn’t give up easy, I tried the magnets in several positions and I just wasn’t as happy with their operation as the regular Kadee’s.  My own rendition works very good but way too much trouble to make them.  Because they are very conspicuous they are used in hidden areas.

My choice would be the Kadee 309 for ease and aesthetics.  I have not tried the Rapido Railcrew, looks very promising.
 

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Posted by kasskaboose on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 2:29 PM

It seems that the consensus is using a bamboo or BBQ stick to uncouple.  That's prob easier than a finger.  My fear is knocking over the car with my fingers and damaging the scenery.

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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 2:27 PM

  I use skewers. They do work best with real Kadees, opening up 'compatibles' liek Accumate is hit or miss. Which is why I repalce any non-Kadee couplers with real Kadee.

 I don't use any track magnets, fixed or electromagnets, but I haven't brought myself to cut off the kadee 'air hoses' yet. I paint them grimy black with a dab of silver on the tip. Both previous layouts had any uncoupling area easily reachable from the operating area, and my new one continues that.

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Posted by rrebell on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 1:28 PM

Got plenty of those magnets but didn't use and they did not work well on curves.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 1:15 PM

I have actually designed all my HO layouts with careful thought into placing the Kadee #308 under the track magnets so I can use the delayed function of magnetic Kadee couplers to push cars into position.

I do not like to touch the layout for any reason when I am playing with the trains.

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Posted by wjstix on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 1:03 PM

I do manual uncoupling truly manually...that is, with my hand. I reach around one car with my thumb on one side, and my middle finger on the other, and grab the truck. Then I lift it enough to disengage the Kadee coupler, move the car slightly off-center so I can re-engage the couplers in the 'delayed' position, and then set the car back down.

BTW I remove the "hoses" on the Kadees that would engage an electric or magnetic uncoupler; they just get in the way.

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Posted by pt714 on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:49 PM

My manual uncoupler is a thin bamboo skewer with a sharp point on the business end and a marble-sized wooden bead glued to the other end (for better control). Stick between Kadees and twist gently. My cars typically don't move much during the uncoupling.

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Uncoupling cars
Posted by rrebell on Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:35 PM

You know, I have never found a method of uncupling cars that worked all the time and any manual types always seem to move cars too much.

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