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A couple of Tool-related questions.
Posted by SpaceMouse on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 6:22 PM

1) Does anyone make a 4-6 inch bar clamp?

2) I'm going to have a lumber mill big enough to need a dedicated switcher. I need a lot of different sized lumber.

The trouble is my mini table saw will only cut as low as 3/32". What I would like to do is attach a 1/16 strip of metal to the rip fence so I can make stacks of scale lumber. 

Any ideas on how to go about it?

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Posted by cowman on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 7:51 PM

I have an Irwin that opens to 4 1/2", also one that opens to 12 1/2".  You could check with your local hardware store and see if there is a mid-sized one listed.

Stacked lumber is pretty much a cube cut to length 8' to 16'.  Unless you plan to do indicidually stacked boards, a block of wood, scribed, should do for the stacks and purchase a few scale pieces for extra detail effect.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 8:25 PM

Awhile back I bought a Harbor Freight Mighty Might table saw for my hobby bench.  I didn’t come with a fence so I made one from Basswood.

The blade height is fully adjustable from 0 to ¾”.



I’ve used it quite a bit on both Basswood and Styrene and it has worked out very well.  The Basswood fence came out a close fit to the top of the saw but a strip of 3M striping tape give it some friction to keep it in place.

The saw is pretty good, I cut a 2” diameter schedule 40 PVC pipe by rotating it.


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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 9:39 PM

I bought ten of these el-cheapos at either the Dollar Store or in the dollar bin at Northern Tool.

They work OK for model building.

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Posted by Pruitt on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 11:15 PM

SpaceMouse
...my mini table saw will only cut as low as 3/32". What I would like to do is attach a 1/16 strip of metal to the rip fence so I can make stacks of scale lumber.

If I understand your question correctly, I would use wood rather than metal on your fence. That way if you slip the saw will be chewing into wood rather than metal.

You might try this:

  • Get two or three small counterunk-head machine screws.
  • Fashion a plate for your fence using wood thick enough for the screws to be countersunk a bit deeper than the exposed surface of the wood.
  • If possible, clamp the plate to the fence and drill at least two holes through both, using a bit size that will allow you to tap the fence holes with the appropriate sized tap. Best to use a drill press for this operation, if you have one.
  • Tap the holes in the fence.
  • Open the holes in the wooden plate to a close clearance for the screws, then countersink the holes.
  • Screw the guide onto the fence, and you're ready to go!

The holes in the fence shouldn't interfere with the normal operation of the rip fence without the plate, and you can replace the plate any time you need to.

If that's too much work, spray the back of the plate with an adhesive like Super 77 and slap the plate onto the fence. Remove it later using a putty knife. You'll probably have to clean the fence face with some sort of solvent - gasoline or mineral spirits, I would guess.

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Posted by mlehman on Thursday, August 13, 2020 1:34 AM

For building up a 1/16" strip, styrene is another alternative that might work well and could be CA-ed in place.

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Posted by mlehman on Thursday, August 13, 2020 1:36 AM

I've got a pair of the same clamps as Kevin. Mine may have come from Harbor Freight.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Thursday, August 13, 2020 7:18 AM

I also use the Harbor Freight clamps

https://www.harborfreight.com/search?q=clamps

The 6” are fantastic for scratch building HO structures.


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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Thursday, August 13, 2020 9:26 AM

Micro-mark has minature bar clamps in different sizes up to 12 inches.

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Posted by josephbw on Thursday, August 13, 2020 9:38 AM

Back in the 70's my mother in law bought me a set of brass bar clamps from her Avon pusher. They are a little over 12" long with a sliding stop and an adjustable block on the end. I have been using them ever since.

I don't know if they are still available, but if you want something durable that you won't wear out, you might look for them.

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Posted by snjroy on Thursday, August 13, 2020 11:39 AM

I'm also working on a lumber mill scene. I started by using strips of styrene, cutting them neatly in lengths and piling them up. Did one or two piles, and painted them a "sand" color, and they looked nice. I model HO, and I find that actual wood does not scale down very well because of the grainy and porus aspect of real wood. But the worse was doing the cutting, gluing and piling of the boards. I lost patience and bought the Atlas milled lumber kit...

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Thursday, August 13, 2020 11:47 AM

IRONROOSTER
Micro-mark has minature bar clamps in different sizes up to 12 inches

I clicked the link and started browsing around the Micro-Mark website.

I sawe they arew stocking Vallejo paints now, my favorite.

Holy-Cats!!!

They wany $7.00 for a 17ml bottle. Everywhere else they are $3.50 or less.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Thursday, August 13, 2020 2:59 PM

cowman
Unless you plan to do indicidually stacked boards, a block of wood, scribed, should do for the stacks and purchase a few scale pieces for extra detail effect.

I considered it. I even bought a pack of ultra-fine brown sharpies to make the cuts. As a contractor for 15 years, I got to see a lot of lumber yards, and only rarely are they stacked evenly--and then only when banded. 

What is going on at this lumber mill is boxcars are being moved from place to place while workers fill orders. There won't be any stacks left unturned. 

But this not the only time I would use scale lumber. I'm constantly building things for the town. I can't rely on 9x9"posts to  be good for everything. 

 

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Thursday, August 13, 2020 3:04 PM

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If I understand your question correctly, I would use wood rather than metal on your fence. That way if you slip the saw will be chewing into wood rather than metal

I'm not worried about cutting my fence--but I am worried about friction when trying to push rough-sawn popsicle sticks and coffee stirrers through the blade. 

I just got some Super 77. If I find a piece of metal, I might gove it a go. 

Now, anyone know where I can find a 1/16 piece of metal. I'm not even sure where to start.

 

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Thursday, August 13, 2020 3:10 PM

mlehman

For building up a 1/16" strip, styrene is another alternative that might work well and could be CA-ed in place.

 

This is a great idea. a couple of .040s glued together...

The build-up doesn't have to be exactly 1/16th. It can be larger.

 

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Thursday, August 13, 2020 3:13 PM

snjroy
But the worse was doing the cutting, gluing and piling of the boards. I lost patience and bought the Atlas milled lumber kit.

I can see that happening. I'll find a way to not think about it. Maybe I'll watch politics on YouTube or something.

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Posted by York1 on Thursday, August 13, 2020 3:59 PM

My local hobby shop, and I think Hobby Lobby also have balsa wood strips of just about every size and shape.

Could you cut the correct length lumber from those strips?

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Posted by snjroy on Thursday, August 13, 2020 4:08 PM

SpaceMouse
 
snjroy
But the worse was doing the cutting, gluing and piling of the boards. I lost patience and bought the Atlas milled lumber kit.

 

I can see that happening. I'll find a way to not think about it. Maybe I'll watch politics on YouTube or something.

 

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Posted by RR_Mel on Thursday, August 13, 2020 4:29 PM

When I scratch building with wood I use Midwest Products Scale lumber.  I scanned the back of a package of scale lumber, it lists the size per scale.



Click twice to enlarge.

Their scale lumber is a top quality product.



The steps and wood trim is scale lumber, the siding is embossed Basswood sheets.

The scale lumber would look real in a lumber yard.  It excepts stain great.  My trestle is made from scale lumber.

The trestle is pushing 31 years old, that’s the original stain.


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Posted by Track fiddler on Thursday, August 13, 2020 4:39 PM

Nice looking scratch builds Mel,  all of them are.  That bridge is really somethingYes  I've seen that one before but I never get tired of looking at it.

 

 

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Thursday, August 13, 2020 6:21 PM

RR_Mel
When I scratch building with wood I use Midwest Products Scale lumber.  I scanned the back of a package of scale lumber, it lists the size per scale.

Really nice buildings.

But the idea of buying high quality scale lumber kinda defeats the purpose. I have no budget. If I can make everything I need from popsicle sticks, coffee stirrers, and for tressles, wooded rulers. Then when I do pull together some money, I can by track or something.

The same goes for cutting scale wood from balsa, as John pointed out. 

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Posted by RR_Mel on Thursday, August 13, 2020 7:41 PM

I agree the scale lumber is pricy!  I use Craft Sticks for several things from Hobby Lobby.

https://www.hobbylobby.com/search/?text=craft+sticks

They cut fairly easy and are pretty sturdy.  I stock the 4½” x ⅜” and 5⅝” x ¾”, they would really work for making scale lumber.

I also use them for making foundations for my scratch built structures, cheap and sturdy.  I tried cutting some (¾” wide) this evening on my Mighty-Might saw, HO scale 2x4s and other than a lot of saw dust it worked great.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Thursday, August 13, 2020 8:10 PM

As long as there is a new tool thread going...

In a recent discussion a fellow forum user suggested these Crescent compound action diagonal cutters for cutting steel music wire. I bought a pair.

They work perfectly. This was a great suggestion.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Thursday, August 13, 2020 9:16 PM

RR_Mel
I stock the 4½” x ⅜” and 5⅝” x ¾”, they would really work for making scale lumber.

Exactly--popsicle stiicks. I buy them by the thousands.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Thursday, August 13, 2020 9:19 PM

SeeYou190
In a recent discussion a fellow forum user suggested these Crescent compound action diagonal cutters for cutting steel music wire. I bought a pair.

Compound action? I'll bet it will cut the lasagna noodles that harden against the pan. Looks like a great tool.

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, August 14, 2020 7:19 AM

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In a recent discussion a fellow forum user suggested these Crescent compound action diagonal cutters for cutting steel music wire. I bought a pair.

But it would really, really, really suck at cutting any kind of wood cleanly, especially if you needed the power of the compound action.
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Posted by rrebell on Friday, August 14, 2020 9:07 AM

Funny but by the time you buy everything to make scale wood, I find it is cheaper to buy it but then I don't pay retail either.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Friday, August 14, 2020 9:57 AM

rrebell

Funny but by the time you buy everything to make scale wood, I find it is cheaper to buy it but then I don't pay retail either.

 

I agree with you . . . but I really like the Harbor Freight Mighty-Might Hobby Saw, well worth the $38.  I’ve had it for close to a year and used it for all kinds of cutting.  Not having a fence is a problem but my Mel fence works very good.

To furnish a mediocre lumber yard it would take about $10 to $12 using Scale Lumber but it would sure be a lot easier and no clean up using the hobby saw.  Very nice tool to have around, nice clean cuts with Basswood, Styrene and even thin Acrylic without any cracking. 

Cutting the 2” PVC pipe was a very nice surprise.  Saved me from having to get out my 10” table saw for two cuts. 

I do like the Woodpile Craft Sticks though, they come in handy with all kinds of projects, good quality wood too.


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Posted by SpaceMouse on Friday, August 14, 2020 11:42 AM

rrebell

Funny but by the time you buy everything to make scale wood, I find it is cheaper to buy it but then I don't pay retail either.

I bought a lot of stuff for model railroading back in the 90's and early 00's. I have lots of things like period specific windows and doors, tools, model kits, rolling stock kits, etc. All I needed was a rip fence that could get closer to the blade, and it looks like that problem is solved. (Although I'd really like the Micro Mark chop saw-my Chomper is cutting even thin wood with a slant to the right. But $42 will have to wait until one of the kids asks what I want for Christmas.)

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Sunday, August 16, 2020 4:33 PM

Update: I Gorrilla Glued a piece of .040  styrene to my fence and I was able to make some 1x6 trimp for my engine house.

I was about to pull the trigger on a set of 4 Irwin mini-clamps, but the reviews were bad. They said two years ago they were great, but now they have no strength in terms of compression, and they even back off and let's the clamped object slip--unless you use the barest minimum of pressure.

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