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Posted by mr moto on Saturday, December 30, 2006 9:19 AM

Hey, Bluepuma, stop!  It's been bad enough reading these memories of the SP, but now you've got me getting all sobby reminding me of LA County and growing up watching trains in the 70's in almost all those same places.  I only got as far away as AZ so I still go back every once in awhile and ride the light rail into Union Station to keep the memories fresh.

Yup, it's gray and red on my layout too.

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Posted by 3railguy on Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:42 AM

My favorite diesel of all is the Espee snooted SD-40T-2 tunnel motor. It's a powerful and sinister looking beast with the silhouette of a reptile. For me, N scale Intermountain tunnel motors came first followed by a rolling stock collecting binge and a layout so I could lash them and run long trains.

Second favorites are black widow F7's followed by black widow SD-9's.

I never got to see espee power in real life. I grew up in Washington state and my general intrest is GN, NP, UP etc. But the aforementioned engines are my absolute favorites.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:53 AM

Me too.

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Posted by mtrails on Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:47 AM

Yep, miss 'em too.

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Posted by ericsp on Friday, December 29, 2006 10:55 PM
 andrechapelon wrote:
 zgardner18 wrote:

I too follow the crowd by saying the SP is missed here too.  This past weekend I was lucky to have seen some units that still hold the old SP gray.  Here is one that brought great joy to my eyes:

I don't model SP but I do have about nine engines that I won't part with and will somehow still run on my Montana based layout.

That's a rare unit. It's one of 10 SDP-45's built for SP in 1967 to replace the last of the PA and E units. They later became part of the commute pool and, when CalTrain took over Peninsula commute services were put into the freight pool.

IIRC, 6 of the units, including the one in the photo were rebuilt (including new rear hood ends) to SD40M's by Morrison-Knudsen.

Hold onto the photos.

Andre

I heard that those SD40M-2s that M-K rebuilt from SDP45s were from Conrail/E-L. I saw one of those a few days ago, unfortunately it was patched.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 29, 2006 5:02 PM
I miss the Santa Fe also. It seems there are less and less every day. That is probably the reason I am doing a Santa Fe setup.
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Posted by zgardner18 on Friday, December 29, 2006 4:58 PM

 andrechapelon wrote:
[i] Anyway, I'm starting a fund to buy back SP from UP. Send your donations to my email account via Paypal. I'll send you a receipt so it's tax deductable.  

Here is what I have to offer:

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Posted by andrechapelon on Friday, December 29, 2006 4:55 PM
 zgardner18 wrote:

I too follow the crowd by saying the SP is missed here too.  This past weekend I was lucky to have seen some units that still hold the old SP gray.  Here is one that brought great joy to my eyes:

I don't model SP but I do have about nine engines that I won't part with and will somehow still run on my Montana based layout.

That's a rare unit. It's one of 10 SDP-45's built for SP in 1967 to replace the last of the PA and E units. They later became part of the commute pool and, when CalTrain took over Peninsula commute services were put into the freight pool.

IIRC, 6 of the units, including the one in the photo were rebuilt (including new rear hood ends) to SD40M's by Morrison-Knudsen.

Hold onto the photos.

Andre

It's really kind of hard to support your local hobby shop when the nearest hobby shop that's worth the name is a 150 mile roundtrip.
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Posted by zgardner18 on Friday, December 29, 2006 4:39 PM

I too follow the crowd by saying the SP is missed here too.  This past weekend I was lucky to have seen some units that still hold the old SP gray.  Here is one that brought great joy to my eyes:

I don't model SP but I do have about nine engines that I won't part with and will somehow still run on my Montana based layout.

--Zak Gardner

My Layout Blog:  http://mrl369dude.blogspot.com

http://zgardner18.rrpicturearchives.net

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Posted by andrechapelon on Friday, December 29, 2006 4:38 PM
Anyway, I'm starting a fund to buy back SP from UP. Send your donations to my email account via Paypal. I'll send you a receipt so it's tax deductable.  

If we fall short, I'll buy them back one N-scale loco at a time if I have to.

Nice try, Chip. Reminds me of a story my dad told me when he was working for Northrop out at Edwards AFB in the mid 50's. Seems a fellow put out a coffee can marked "The Hart Fund" to collect donations. Apparently, a lot of people just thought it was a misspelling and quite a bit of money was collected. The name of the guy who put the can out was Jeremy Hart.

I'm seriously thinking of getting my name legally changed to Redd Cross. Laugh [(-D]

Andre

P.S. Lived in Mojave during the last years of steam operation over Tehachapi.

 

 

It's really kind of hard to support your local hobby shop when the nearest hobby shop that's worth the name is a 150 mile roundtrip.
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Posted by SOU Fan on Friday, December 29, 2006 4:32 PM

You could do something like this.  That's what I am starting to do.

For more pics of these engines go here.

http://www.modelrailroadforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2449

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Posted by 45T-2 on Friday, December 29, 2006 4:05 PM

Ahhhhh, yes.

Born n' raised in So. Cal.

Tehachipi, Cajon, Oil Cans, bay windows, gyra lites....Sigh [sigh]

Let's observe a moment of silence.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Friday, December 29, 2006 1:04 PM

When I was five my house was right on the tracks between Yuba City and Orville/Chico. Everyday the F's and Es would shake the foundations of my house and scare the bejeezes out of my toad collection (I had over 100 that I kept in a wading pool.)

Anyway, I'm starting a fund to buy back SP from UP. Send your donations to my email account via Paypal. I'll send you a receipt so it's tax deductable.  

If we fall short, I'll buy them back one N-scale loco at a time if I have to.

Chip

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Posted by bluepuma on Friday, December 29, 2006 12:47 PM

The first locomotive I was ever up close to was at 7 in '53 in Highland Park, near Ave 60 and the Arroyo Seco Parkway, it looked like a RS1 or RS3, and it moved not much faster than a walk, with a few cars behind, would guess less than 10.  Long nose forward, moving  toward a diamond with a rail line that crossed the now Pasadena Fwy.  More traffic on that line, maybe ATSF.  Was hanging with Jimmy (3 years older) and Steve (1 or 2 years older), one  of them showed me putting a penny on the rail provided a really stretched out flat thin penny.  That was when 1 cent bought a Bazooka Bubble gum with comic wrapper, or two pieces of hard candy.  I flattened a few pennies, maybe a nickel.  They taught me to stay off the tracks and far enough back.  I think the loco or loco's were in Black Widow, no crossing gates or lights where it crossed across the alley where the iceman parked while delivering 25 lb. ice blocks for the old folks ice box top, slowly through the residential area next to Echo Home where some old folks lived and worshipped in the Tabernacle.  We stayed there when we first returned to California after returning from a stint in Samoa as Missionarys, dad helped the mission work there at Echo Home.  Bro. Smith, Jimmy's dad was in charge there, they had another place out on the high desert, "Mountain Home" which was built mostly of desert rock and motar.  Jimmy had Lionel trains, turnouts, etc. at his house.  Like many train sets at the time, steam was king, his may have been NYC, like my first train set two years later.  Stayed at Mountain Home a few weeks earlier, they had a cow, chickens, no trains near.

SP ran trains through twice a week, maybe to maintain rights to the old PE tracks like they did on the PE line from El Monte to LA in the center of the San Bernadino Freeway (I-10).

The last locos I bought in SP were RS3 in N scale.  Still want some Black Widow AB F7's.

Funny thing about the tracks near the LA river and I-5, Golden State Fwy, was driving home from Burback back to Lynwood in '95, smelled a skunk, had to smile.  Funny to be so close to downtown LA with skunk as wildlife, smelling, but a lot of hills, brush, wild area, parkland.

Our skunks in Illinois don't smell nearly as much as California and Arizona skunks, but I'm glad the creature that waddled out in front of me last Friday was a possum, not a skunk.  We brushed one in our VW in Arizona during the winter, every time we turned the heat on, slight skunk smell.  The VW was the air cooled bug.  I never did see SP on the tracks running near the bottom of the valley between Sierra Vista and Tombstone, but the rails were shiny, not rusted brown.  A friend in Long Beach said they saw a possum there, and had skunks around too.

A garden... I still miss SP... one constant no more!  sigh.  BluePuma

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by CFournier on Thursday, January 27, 2005 11:03 AM
The SP is now well represented on my layout ! With 6 locos: 2 GP-7s, 1 SD-40 T2, 1 SW 1200, and 2 SD-9s .
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Posted by 3railguy on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:36 AM
I miss Milwaukee Road. In this state, they eventually became WI Central and now CN. CN colors are nice and so are MLW built locos but they don't beat Milwaukee Road.
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Posted by ericsp on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 1:57 AM
Has anyone bought a model of a UP locomotive and patched it for SP? I have thought about doing that.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 1:14 AM
Man, you guys are putting a lump in my thoat,SP ran from Calif,thru Oregon to Portland with branch lines to Newberg and the Central Oregon coast I uesd to love seeing the GP40's rumble with the famous "BLOODY NOSE" and the at that time new "speed lettering logo", Well we can still see some of the loco's in action, even though they have that "yuck" yellow pad. Yes you guys are right we can still have SP roll down our tracks, I know I do matter of fact, on my layout they were able to go back into business for themselevs, they even bought trackage rights back from UP!!!! HOW ABOUT THAT
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 17, 2005 11:58 PM
I'm right there with you guys... I grew up living just a few blocks from the SP line down here in south Texas, and have a lot of childhood memories about it. I never thought I'd see the day when it would no longer exist. Now a days, you might see anything running on those same rails. I've even seen some that I had to go do research on to find out what road they belonged to... Oh well. They call it progress, but I call it sad.
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Posted by ericsp on Monday, January 17, 2005 11:42 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by CFournier

ericsp
Did you see the picture of an SP loco in full SP colors, lashed-up to a QG RR consist of orange locos??
Chris

Yes, the SD45R. I should note that SP called them SD45-2.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 17, 2005 6:10 PM
Another child of the SP here. My favorite power from back in the day was the SD45T-2. Now there was a diesel that looked great from all angles!
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Posted by CFournier on Monday, January 17, 2005 2:11 PM
ericsp
Did you see the picture of an SP loco in full SP colors, lashed-up to a QG RR consist of orange locos??
Chris
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Posted by ericsp on Sunday, January 16, 2005 11:33 PM
I saw GP35s and SD45Rs that appeared to be ex-SP.

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Posted by CFournier on Sunday, January 16, 2005 11:03 PM
Ericsp,
Send me your e-mail and I will send you pictures of SP Geeps in QGrr colours and even one picture of a SP loco in SP paint in a QGrr consist. Or you can go to Railpictures.net and type Quebec Gatineau in the search engine window to scroll pics and you will see four or five pics of those SP's on the QGrr. Some captions will give you the road number of the engine when it was owned by SP.
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Posted by ericsp on Saturday, January 15, 2005 1:06 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by CFournier

2 or 3 years ago, here in Montreal's ``Quebec and Gatineau RR`` yard I saw a GP40-2 ( I think...) in Bloody nose SP colors.it was bought by the QG RR and still almost original except for the letters ``QG RR`` stenciled on the cab. I don't know if it is in the orange QG paint scheme now ( like the Genesee and Wyoming).
Chris

Did it look like it still had its SP number? If so, what was it?

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 14, 2005 11:43 PM
Even though I lived just across the schoolyard from the SP line in the east San Fernando Valley, I think it's the sugar beet trains in the San Joaquin Valley that I have the fondest memory of. It seems that every time I travelled highway 99 north of Bakersfield as a kid, that train was on the tracks next to the highway. I've seen some models of those sugar beet gondolas in my Walther's catalog, and thought about those days many years ago. There was nothing spectacular about that train, but maybe that's what made it special. Maybe it's just my memories from those trips on which I saw that train. I can't say why I have such fond memories of that train, but I do!
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Posted by CFournier on Friday, January 14, 2005 10:57 PM
2 or 3 years ago, here in Montreal's ``Quebec and Gatineau RR`` yard I saw a GP40-2 ( I think...) in Bloody nose SP colors.it was bought by the QG RR and still almost original except for the letters ``QG RR`` stenciled on the cab. I don't know if it is in the orange QG paint scheme now ( like the Genesee and Wyoming).
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 14, 2005 10:45 PM
I just came across some photos I took at the Tehachapi loop in 1981. SP is one of my favorites,the SF warbonnett is my favorite.
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Posted by johncolley on Friday, January 14, 2005 10:23 PM
Yeah, I miss the old SP, too. Worked west Oakland as a kid. oiled freights at night my last year of H.S. And I remember the AC's hooking up and doing the tests on the outbound. Then came the black widows before the bloody noses. Now, whenever I need a fix I go to Dr. Joe's website to see the Siskiyou Line. Or else I re-play the CD's.
jc5729

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