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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, April 27, 2020 7:18 PM

Before the reign of 765 there was the 759 of Golden Spike Centennial fame:

 759_CUT_5-4-69 by Edmund, on Flickr

Here she is at her rededication in Conneaut, Ohio prior to her maiden voyage after rebuilding in September of 1968:

 NKP_759 by Edmund, on Flickr

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Posted by oldline1 on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:57 AM

Ulrich,

Thanks for those shots of the 2-10-2T's. I love those chunky critters. There was a great video at one time on youtube with them complete with actual sounds and some umm-pah music. I don't remember where they ran. Cool to watch them.

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:10 AM

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I don't remember where they ran.

They still run - on some 750mm narrow gauge lines in the state of Saxony (southeastern Germany) and on the island of Rugen. The lines are regular railroads, used not only by tourists, but many local folks for their daily commute.

There s also a 1,000mm 2-10-2 built in the earyl 1950s, still in service on the Harz Mountain Railway.

 

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:02 AM

Good morning

Sure is a lot of great photos here!  I really enjoy the model shots as well.  Ed, I don't know how you dubbed that steam into the photos of the Bachmann B-O EM1 but it sure looks cool.

Henry, I watched a lot of videos of the Durango Silverton going through Colorado and would love to experience that one day.

Ricky, Ed, Wayne. There sure seems to be a lot of popularity here with Nickel Plate 765 and I can see why.  Loved the story Wayne.  I have a similar story as my brother and I chased the Union Pacific Challenger 3985 up to Jamestown Minnesota.  It first stopped at Shakopee Minnesota two blocks East of Rahr, the largest malt faculty in the US.  This grain elevator faculty supplies enough malt for 11 billion cans of beer a year.

I wish I had images of the Challenger, I only have framed pictures.  Similar to your story Wayne, the people were too close to the line and the engineer blew steam out the sides of the locomotive, it definitely shewed the people away as we laughed.

L. Zhou.  I did not know that bit of history after World War II and enjoyed the photograph.

I'm sure the sawmill switcher, Vancouver Island was really something at one time Selector.

Brent,  I liked your model of 2861 that barely fit on the turntable like the prototypical one.

Ulrich,  The 2-10-2T,s remind me of a Burly Bulldog built of muscle.  I would have to agree he appears to be quite the chunky BeastYes

 

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If I didn't comment on anyone's post, it doesn't mean I didn't enjoy itSmile, Wink & Grin  Thanks for posting.

 

 

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:05 AM

Track fiddler
Ulrich, The 2-10-2T,s remind me of a Burly Bulldog built of muscle. I would have to agree he appears to be quite the chunky Beast

They are designed to tackle a 3.3% grade.

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Posted by Pruitt on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:55 AM

Here's a Proto Heritage 2-10-2 doing track checking duty:

And me in the cab on the Cumbres & Toltec:

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Posted by Trainman440 on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:40 PM

When a Big Boy 4005 enters a siding at 50 mph:

Sad day...

Some people didn't know that a Big Boy ever had an accident. 

An epic and haunting shot of a boiler explosion of C&O T1 3020.

I don't mean to be a downer, but I think accident shots are truly unique. 

On a brighter note, I love the look of the SP streamlined look! Heres a P-10 that I havent painted yet:

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Posted by dti406 on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:29 PM

Track fiddler

 

 

 

Ricky, Ed, Wayne. There sure seems to be a lot of popularity here with Nickel Plate 765 and I can see why.  

 

 

TF

 

A couple of years ago I was going to work, and came upon the following engine!

I followed it for about 10 miles as the track parrallels Riverview Road all the way down into Akron, and goes right past my old office.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:58 PM

A consolidation on the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum in Chattanooga.

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:22 PM

From my early days as a rail fan.

Taken in 1971 on the mainline between Muenster and Emden. A local freight headed by a DB class 042 oil burning Mikado from the late 1930s, rebuilt in the 1950s with a new boiler and oil firing. This line was electrified a couple of years later, putting an end to steam traction in northern Germany.

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Posted by selector on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 5:00 PM

A sister locomotive to the derelict at Telegraph Cove, one that was rebuilt, is #7 of the Alberni Pacific Railway.  Here it is, getting filled, on the ready track in front of its shelter in June, 2005.

I would like to pay my respects to the man who rebuilt it 20 years ago, and who repaired it after a piston fracture in 2009.  George Williamson, who died 30 months ago, was trained in Belfast as a mechanical engineer.  He retired and took on this project, and granted me a short cab ride in June of 2005.  George was an accomplished railway artist; I have two prints of his.

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 7:50 PM

Mark,  I liked the Proto Heritage 2-10-2 chuff session on your layout and you looked rather cool hanging out the cab of the Combres and Toltec.  How many years ago was that?

Charles,  I have never seen a picture like that in my life.  It looks like a really bad horror movie.  I would call it Return of the Octopus Big BoyLaugh  I never knew Steamers had a bunch of hoses in them.

dti406,  You were lucky enough to brush paths with the Nickel Plate 765 on your way to work.  I bet you were lateLaugh  I could never be so lucky but I got my ears and eyes open.

Kevin,   I wanted to go to the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum when I was in Jackson Tennessee in 2018.  It was 250 miles away and I guess I didn't plan my trip right.  I will plan a visit to Chattanooga on my next Southern winter trip and plan to stop in Florida on that trip as wellSmile, Wink & Grin

Ulrich,  A 3.3 grade is a steep one.  I knew there was something about that 2T being so burly.  I like the DB class 042 Makado as well.  That thing looks great coming down the tracks!

Selector,  That #7 Alberni Pacific sister sure looks great.  They sure did a great job on her.  

George looks like a Kind Spoken Man.  I get that from his photograph.  What a great memory, He gave you a ride in number sevenYes

 

Well like I said before, things seem to happen in groups of two or three.  My favorite Little House on the prairie was on tonight.  "Runaway Caboose".

They caught the Caboose going backwards just in time on the steep grade and the kids were okay... again.

 

Sierra #3.  Clint Eastwood's favorite steamer. 

Sierra number 3 is "like a treasured old friend" he quoted.  He used #3 in Pale Rider my favorite Eastwood movie.

 

 

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Posted by BigDaddy on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:00 PM

Those are not hoses, they are flue tubes, blown out.  More pictures here

Death by steam scalding is not on my bucket list.  Mark Twain's brother died in a river boat boiler explosion.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14 PM

I did edit good horror movie to bad horror movie. 

I wouldn't have ever made light of the subjective if I knew people died that day.  I wouldn't have thought people would die with everything blowing out the front.  

A terrible day that was.  Maybe someone could shift things to a more positive note here. 

 

That would probably be better.

 

 

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Posted by gmpullman on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:48 PM

BigDaddy
Those are not hoses, they are flue tubes, blown out.  More pictures here

In several of those boiler explosion photos, the skinny tubes are the superheater pipes. They nest inside larger flues and, as the name would imply, superheat the steam.

In most designs they are folded over twice making a four-pass circuit for the steam to be heated.

Really makes a mess. Seeing boiler explosion photos renews my respect for the power of steam!

They can be seen here coming out of the header toward the front flue sheet:

 Boiler_delivery by Edmund, on Flickr

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Posted by Track fiddler on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:57 PM

I thank you for the diagram Ed.  I have never researched a steam engine before.  I must claim ignorance that I always thought the giant cylinder in front of the cab was an empty tube for making pressure.  I always thought Steamers looked cool but I guess I was just looking at the outside cosmetics and thought the cylinder was just a large pressure tube.

I know an extreme amount of knowledge of the things that I do know about,  just some that's not this one I guess.

My other brother is a research scientist of artificial intelligence for the government.  I am only the artist of the family.  Needless to say he does make more money than me.

I got to say though, I learned a few things today and as long as I learn something new everyday, that's good enough for me.  Not only interesting but well appreciated.

Thanks for the lesson Ed.  It was well learnedYes

 

P.S.  I am by no way shape or form a sarcastic person.  I really did mean what I just said.  I never knew too much about steam engines but the basics.

 

I seem to have more pictures of "Lions in the Cage"  I prefer the free-range ones better that I have seen here.  Hopefully someone has another one of thoseYes

 

 

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Posted by Da Stumer on Wednesday, April 29, 2020 1:00 AM

Not my photos, these are from Wikipedia, the ones I have taken are on a computer I haven't used for a long time.

Mika-3 #161 at the Korean National Railroad Museum in Uiwang, South Korea.

Pasi-5 #23, at the same location

Both of these are Japanese-built specifically for the standard gauge Korean railroad during the pre-war occupation period.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Wednesday, April 29, 2020 1:31 AM

I think this is really cool getting MR participants chiming in from long distances from other parts the world.  You got a caged locomotive too Peter!  Besides the cool Steamer you posted, the roof structure above it had me really intrigued.

They're both cool.  Johnny Cash would say "shiny, long and black"

I thank you for posting Peter.

 

Look at the time, way pass my bedtime, I need to hit the rack but feel free to post and I'll catch up with you over coffee in the morningYes

 

Thank you all for participating and feel free to do the night owl thing.  It is definitely day somewhereSmile, Wink & Grin

 

Post that Steamer

 

 

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Posted by gmpullman on Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:05 AM

Track fiddler
Thank you all for participating and feel free to do the night owl thing.

A young GM Pullman holds down the right hand seat on this USRA Mike:

 4070-Photo-Backups-261 by Edmund, on Flickr

I was fortunate to have been involved with this engine at a youing age. I didn't even have a driver's licence yet Indifferent

 4070_crop1 by Edmund, on Flickr

Those were some fun times Big Smile

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:10 AM

Increasing loads required ever stronger steam engines, which, in turn, required larger boilers and fireboxes. The radius of curves, however, set the limit of how long a boiler could be. For narrow gauge lines, the sharp curves set tight limits. The answer was in articulated locomotives! There are quite a few different types of articulated steam engines, the better known ones being Mallets and Beyer-Garratts. In the 1860s, an Englsh chap named Fairlie developed a bogie steam engine, with a swiveling truck, similar to a Forney. Now imagine two of these engines coupled back to back and you have a typical Double Fairlie, like the ones employed by the Ffestiniog Railway in northern Wales/UK.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:32 AM

I like those steamers you posted UlrichYes

I'm still awake,  it's one of those nights where I tried to sleep but it just didn't work.

The thing that always puzzled me Ulrich was weight vs bearing, number of wheels versus traction.

My model locomotives with four wheels on each truck always pulled more cars than the locomotives with six wheels on each truck.  With this thought, I often wondered why they didn't spread the wheels out further on a steam engine.

I think the more weight bearing down on less wheels beared down harder and pulled more cars.

I hope you understand what I'm saying here and would appreciate what you think about thatSmile

 

TF

 

P.S.   I think you already hit the rack and I'm going to try that again once more.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:45 AM
I’ve always been attracted to the German locomotives, black and red paint scheme, thanks, Ulrich.
 
Thanks for the kind remarks regarding my drawing, I don’t do sketches because to me a sketch is quick, whereas my drawings take a looooong loooooong time! Besides I have to be in the right frame of mind!!
 
Here’s another one, NZR class Fa 250, 0-6-2T, this locomotive had a working life of 85 years, and is currently partially restored but in a dismantled state.

Fa 250 by Bear, on Flickr
 
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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:00 AM

Bear, you are a true artist! I am awed!

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Posted by emdmike on Wednesday, April 29, 2020 9:00 AM

Roundhouse Engineering Lady Anne class named Applecross.  This is live steam in G/16mm scale narrow gauge.   Can be gauged to run on O or G scale track.   

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Posted by Track fiddler on Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:32 AM

That's quite a unique one Mike.  I had a B&O Dockside switcher that was small like that when I was in my early teens.  I never understood with no tender where they put the coal, oil or water or enough of it.  Things that make you go hmmm.

Bear,  That's another great drawing.  A lot of talent you have.  I did what I called a sketch about 20 years ago when I was in the hospital after knee reconstruction.  I guess it was a drawing as it took a long time as well.  It was a 4-4-0 General going over a trestle.  That drawing is somewhere in my storage facility and I would have to really dig to find it.

 

 

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:14 PM

Track fiddler
I wouldn't have thought people would die with everything blowing out the front.

In order to eject superheater elements, steam and shockwaves have to be inside the flues.  The flues are open at both ends, so regardless of whether this was a superheater failure or not, the firebox would experience significant overpressure.

That this wasn't the normal sort of crownsheet failure, as at Hinton for example, can be seen because the boiler shell is still intact and on the chassis.  Rocket effect from progressive staybolt failure would almost assuredly have lifted the boiler up and off the chassis (as in a number of pictures, including the one on the industrial-history site, that show all the superheater tubes still attached to the header with the rest of the boiler aft of that point MIA; I think Staufer's picture of the J3A that exploded at Canastota in the WWII years has a discussion of this)

 

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Posted by Marc_Magnus on Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:31 PM

These locomotives are my beloved.

The green one is a Atlantic build in 1939 for the Belgian railways, she was able to sustain speed of 120km/hr or 100mph for commercial use.

She was back in steam in the late 80's and stay now preserved in a Museum

 

The second one is 1218 N&W class A, a Mercedes of steam locomotives, rebirth in the 80's and left over for some never well aunderstanded reasons.

There are a lot of reasons about she don't run anymore but the truth is quiet obscur.

It would be great to see her run again since 4004 and 3985 are steamed again ( 3985 in the very few coming years).

She was one of the best ever done design of a -6-6- coumpound  steam locomotives 

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Posted by NDG on Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:57 PM
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Posted by Track fiddler on Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:04 PM

I did learn a lot of things here about steam engine disasters that I didn't know about and I thank you but honestly I prefer to see them in their grand working condition coming down the railway.

LaughWink

And now for some colorful, cheerful stuff.

I bet the kids love this one!  It's like Willy Wonka's Train or somethingSmile, Wink & Grin

 

Marc,  I really love the Belgians.  They look like a couple of rockets on wheels and I've never seen those before.  I like Norfolk & Western 1218 and the last picture of the restoration project.

 

 

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Posted by selector on Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:10 PM

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