PRR T1 SPEED RECORD ATTEMPT ?

[Tinplate Toddler]

Overmod

What Gresley actually accepted was a true peak at 125mph (not for a very long distance on the trace, I think corresponding to something like 150') but not an artifact; he explicitly rejected 126 as demonstrable surge artifact (and said so).

You sound as you have been there, but I think it is safe to assume you have not.

[Overmod]

Tinplate Toddler

You sound as you have been there, but I think it is safe to assume you have not.

That is why the Western tradition invented these things called books.  People who actually were there made a record of what was done and said, and if you read them, much as you would read texts in these posts, you can actually find out things not on the Internet without having to have been there!  [PS for the future: note the correct use of 'have been' here; you should have said 'had been' in your sentence...]

My very dim recollection is that some of the discussion was in 'Master Builders of Steam' but there are some other similar sources that are in general accord.  I have never seen anything, other than opinion, that said Gresley limited his understanding to 124mph, but if you have a reference for that I'd be interested to read it.

[Water Level Route]

Overmod,  I really wanted to follow this thread but the vitriol with which you respond to many of the posts here, especially if they question anything, is very off-putting.  That's too bad.  I'm a little surprised moderators haven't stepped in on some of your comments.  Unnecessary.  

[Overmod]

Sorry about that.  There are some little things that push my buttons a bit too much sometimes, and the usual 'pronouncements' about why the T1 replication is a problem are often more than usually in that category since they keep returning as if no one had addressed them.  

 I purposely didn't answer the posts about dynamic augment because they show disregard for the whole point of the duplex development, so responses are not wholly a chronic example of worthless knee-jerk-response curmudgeonry.  (It does not help either that I'm a native New Yorker who grew up in New Jersey, so both sarcasm and chop-busting are normal characteristics of conversation among friends with different opinions)

[Medina1128]

rrinker

 

 

Medina1128

And, all of this has WHAT to do with model railroading? Just curious...

 

 

 

 

 Well, they aren't restoring an original, because none exist. They are building a replica, from scratch. So it's a model of the real thing, just in 1:1 scale.

                                    --Randy

 

Good point, Randy. 

[Water Level Route]

Overmod

Sorry about that.  There are some little things that push my buttons a bit too much sometimes, and the usual 'pronouncements' about why the T1 replication is a problem are often more than usually in that category since they keep returning as if no one had addressed them.  

I get the frustration completely and agree.  I also learned the hard way that sometime folks could be working with different information or experiences that they wholeheartedly believe in.  

Overmod

I'm a native New Yorker who grew up in New Jersey

Oh, that explains it!  

Overmod

sarcasm and chop-busting are normal characteristics of conversation among friends with different opinions

You indirectly point out one of the problems of the written word.  No intonation to convey intent.  Leaves things open to incorrect interpretation at times. Not like I've ever done that!

Cheers,

[xboxtravis7992]

gmpullman

 

 

Medina1128

And, all of this has WHAT to do with model railroading? Just curious...

 

 

I thought the moderators would have at least moved this thread to the Prototype Information category already.

Some of this discussion has rekindled my recollections of other prominent efforts to "modernize" steam technology.

Anyone remember Ross Rowland's ACE 3000?

https://www.american-rails.com/ace-3000.html

and his earlier efforts with C&O 614:

https://www.co614.com/main/history-of-614-2/#.Xe77SehKjRY

How about the Coalition For Sustainable Rail?

https://newatlas.com/csr-project-130-steam-locomotive/22670/

 

I applaud any effort to resurrect steam technology and apply 21st century advances to it. I wish the good folks at the T1 trust every chance for success.

Regards, Ed

 

My opinion on Ross isn't that high personally, but I don't think this forum is the appropriate place to discuss my opinions on him. But I think its worth pointing out a rebuilt T1 is less along the vein of modernizing a steam locomotive for comercial use like those projects were, and more a modernization for preservation's and historical demonstration purposes. 

If anything, the T1 project is more in vein to the A1 Steam Locomotive Trust and their projects to rebuild lost classes of locomotives in Britain. If the T1 is succesful in America, speed record or not, it could open up the doors for other lost classes like a NYC Hudson or Milwaukee Hiawatha to someday be recreated. 

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Water Level Route

Overmod,  I really wanted to follow this thread but the vitriol with which you respond to many of the posts here, especially if they question anything, is very off-putting.  That's too bad.  I'm a little surprised moderators haven't stepped in on some of your comments.  Unnecessary.  

 

I didn't find it to be that way at all.  I have followed Overmod's opinions and claims of fact for a few years now on other sub-fora here at trains.com, and perhaps have encountered him using other identifiers with which I am not familiar, but I have yet to see a testy or objectionable post authored by him.  I did find that he replied rather evenly to Ulrich's aggressive challenge, with which you appear to find no umbrage...?

-Crandell

[Overmod]

Thanks for the defense, Crandall, but in actual fact he was right; there was in fact some undue testiness in there and he was justified to call me out on it.

Even if provoked, the 'right' response is to answer the substance of the criticism, no matter whether the tone is negative or not, and at least establish a way to the truth if there are misconceptions.  As Mike pointed out, even the appearance that something is vitriolic can be enough to 'turn people off' from reading it -- and the whole point of posting is to either inform or amuse people who stay reading.

 

[BRAKIE]

Guys,A thought cross my mind.. Does today's steam engineers have the grit the old steam engineers had when it  comes to running wide open?  Seeing its a speical breed that races cars at top speeds? I've notice today steam engineers love to lean half way out the window and at high speeds I doubt if that would be possible because of the wind force. My Grandfather bragged about hitting 90 mph between Newark(Oh) and Columbus(Oh) more then once in his passenger service career.