I'm finally all fed and settled here. Judy made Taquitos for dinner yum yum
I hope no one thought I was being sarcastic when I got home from work because I wasn't. I read all your posts while I was cooling off in the air conditioning when I got home. I found your posts very interesting. I didn't find anything that I felt a strong need to debate. Except for one.
I didn't feel a strong need for debate but It was color blindness. I don't think color blindness or concept of color different from someone else has anything to do with anything here.
A color-blind person's perception of a prototypical building compared to a model of that same building.......Is the same as the perception of a non color blind person.
Doughless Edit: I'm not arguing possible physics here. I'm trying to understand the concept. If I'm looking at two pieces of sheet metal under exactly the same conditions side by side, one is 20' x 30' and the other is 2' x 3', I should percieve the smaller piece to be lighter in color because its smaller?
Edit: I'm not arguing possible physics here. I'm trying to understand the concept. If I'm looking at two pieces of sheet metal under exactly the same conditions side by side, one is 20' x 30' and the other is 2' x 3', I should percieve the smaller piece to be lighter in color because its smaller?
Respectfully no.
I am speaking of size as the relative factor but because of the different conditions is why the model is a different tone and hue of the full size building color...... Perception of how you see it, to replicate the condition on the model by somewhat changing the color of the prototypical building.
I hope I can create an example to explain what I'm thinking here.
Say your standing 50 feet away from a prototypical barn. That's standing relatively close considering a 50 ft Barn would be a small barn. You can see it very clearly and vibrantly in almost any condition.
Now go to a model of that barn on an N scale layout. 50 foot in N scale would be 3.75 inches. If you stick your hand 4 inches in front of your face and try to focus in on it, it almost hurts your eyes.
Let's say, normally we would look at that model barn on an N scale layout from 3 feet away. 3 ft in N scale is 480 ft prototypical.
Now let's go back and look at that same prototypical barn from 500 feet. The haze factor and everything else you guys have been talking about factor in.
This is why I am saying the color of the model is altered to create that of what you would normally see in real life of the same color building.
I hope this helps.
TF
I think if you replicate the tone and hue conditions well, the building looks more realistic.
Track fiddlerwhile I was cooling off in the air conditioning when I got home.
It's that hot in MN? We got to the 80's a few days ago, but nothing close to needing A/C.
Track fiddlerThis is why I am saying the color of the model has to be altered to create that of what you would normally see in real life of the same color building.
Nope. I model what I see, color and all, as close as I can.
You can tell when "outside" weather starts to take over. Not many post, and a lot of relived thoughts on previous post.
Mike.
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mbinsewi Track fiddler while I was cooling off in the air conditioning when I got home. It's that hot in MN? We got to the 80's a few days ago, but nothing close to needing A/C. Mike.
Track fiddler while I was cooling off in the air conditioning when I got home.
No. Very very comfortable if you're spending Leisure Time sitting in the lawn chair in the shade.
I was in full Sun all day, no shade huffing 6x6 cedar timbers, dicing them up for notched posts, building a beefy custom railing on a deck.
80 degrees working really hard all day isn't cool like my air-conditioned living room when I get home..... Wiseguy
I never shut my air off for the four days of summer
"Now go to a model of that barn on an N scale layout. 50 foot in N scale would be 3.75 inches. If you stick your hand 4 inches in front of your face and try to focus in on it, it almost hurts your eyes." Brings back memories of when my eyesite was great, used to be able to read the small print on an N scale boxcar without a magnifier. Now I need a +4 in HO, aging sucks!
rrebell Brings back memories of when my eyesite was great, used to be able to read the small print on an N scale boxcar without a magnifier. Now I need a +4 in HO, aging sucks!
You hit the nail right on the head rrebell. You have no debate from me on that one
I think lighting is far more important than size. Just the difference between sunlight at mid day and sunlight in late afternoon is noticible, especially in how it makes reds and browns look. Even worse is the change in lighting between daylight and layout lighting. Worst are those old cool-white fluorescents, they were made with mostly blue and green phosphors, very little red, and consequently made everything red, starting with boxcars, look awful. The newred skinny tube fluorescents are a lot better. Incandescent lights are better too, but even they are so much different from daylight that they used to make color film balanced either for "daylight' or for "tungstun".
David Starr www.newsnorthwoods.blogspot.com
Track fiddler Now let's go back and look at that same prototypical barn from 500 feet. The haze factor and everything else you guys have been talking about factor in.
That's basicsally what I was thinking. Haze would make things have a lighter grayer tone, like what we see when viewing mountain tops at a distance. Nscale models should account for that tone moreso than Oscale models when viewing the models from the same distance. And neither should be painted prototype factory color exactly, if replicating prototype fidelity matters.
- Douglas
Doughless That's basicsally what I was thinking. Haze would make things have a lighter grayer tone, like what we see when viewing mountain tops at a distance. Nscale models should account for that tone moreso than Oscale models when viewing the models from the same distance. And neither should be painted prototype factory color exactly, if replicating prototype fidelity matters.
I couldn't agree with you more Doughless.
On my last model I did a milky gray wash with an extremely small amount of blue added. I really liked the results. It created a distance effect.