I have ordered two and put deposits down and have been fighting the urge for a third one.
Brent
"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."
This raises the bar substantially. The weight, alone, would make this a very desirable puller.
BATMANI have ordered two and put deposits down and have been fighting the urge for a third one.
I was holding out for the U-4b (2023!) but looking at the projected release date and talking to my cardiologist, maybe I had better jump on one of the Hudsons!
https://rapidotrains.com/iocs-future-releases/
Jason and Rapido produce some top-notch products. I'm sure I'll find an excuse to run a Royal Hudson on my mostly New york Central/PRR layout
ALL drivers geared
Speaker under the stack!
Thanks for the heads-up Brent!
Cheers, Ed
gmpullmanI'm sure I'll find an excuse to run a Royal Hudson on my mostly New york Central/PRR layout
PWRS/Rapido are running off 50 pairs F7b units to go with the Royal Hudson 2860 on tour train. You could order 2860 and the "B" units, one of which will have a "Flux Capacitor" from a DeLorean in it. That's how it can end up on your layout in a believable way.
(Edit) Here is a pic of the B units and also the 11,000 G tanker. I believe that PWRS is to make the tanker as well.
That's one pretty pre-production locomotive, Brent. And the detailing will only get better with the final release. And at 1.5+ lbs it should be a very good puller.
Tom
https://tstage9.wixsite.com/nyc-modeling
Time...It marches on...without ever turning around to see if anyone is even keeping in step.
Tom, it looked so smooth in the video and I don't think it will disappoint. I think Jason better make a few more than planned.
I hesistate to point out, though, that Jason has asked 'the question' on at least one hobby forum. The Altas Rescue Forum is a diesel forum because, at least over the 12 years I have been in the hobby, that series of discussions is about all you ever see there. Anyway, Jason asked those members if they think steam is largely done in the hobby, or about to be done.
He wouldn't have asked that question unless he is wondering if he may be biting off more than he can chew with continuing to develop high-caliber HO steam, especially for the even smaller market (potentially) of those who would want to fork out for Canadian steam locomotives.
As a complete novice to steam, this locomotive looks so plain, compared to locos many of you show, which are filled with pipes, rods, etc.
I had to Google Royal Hudson, and see what it is all about.
I have a few frieght cars from Rapido, haven't bought any locos yet. It sure seems to run nice!
Mike.
My You Tube
selectorJason asked those members if they think steam is largely done in the hobby, or about to be done.
What did the "diesel forum" have to say? One wouldn't expect diesel guys to have an interest. I've looked at ARF but this forum is much more useful, to me, YMMV.
It's nice to see someone put in the effort to make a quality product. Canadian rail isn't my thing, but maybe he will raise the bar for everyone.
Henry
COB Potomac & Northern
Shenandoah Valley
mbinsewi As a complete novice to steam, this locomotive looks so plain, compared to locos many of you show, which are filled with pipes, rods, etc.
I think Canadian Pacific steam locomotive design had a real British influence behind them. The designers were probably British ex-pats. British loco design gave them a very tidy look. Engines like C.P.s Selkirk, Jubilee and Hudson had shrouds to cover the "works". There are photo's of these engines with the shrouds removed for service.
Personally, I really like the look of both, there is is something about a behemoth of an engine with piping running everywhere that is just cool and signifies raw power. On the other hand, you can't beat the elegance of a clean engine on the front of a passenger consist.
I also like both the streamlined and "freight hog" look of steam. The Hudson is definitely one of my favorites - I find the wheel arrangement better balanced than the Jubilee and the Selkirk.
The Rapido model definitely looks promising. I do wonder how the loco will sound in real life with all these gears working. It's hard to tell with the video. I've seen other engines with similar arrangements and the gears were noisy.
Simon
snjroy I've seen other engines with similar arrangements and the gears were noisy. Simon
I've seen other engines with similar arrangements and the gears were noisy.
Knowing Jason the engines will come with self oilers for the gears.
The Royal Hudson was semi-streamlined and tidied up in advance of the royal visit way back when. Canadian steam looks a lot more like USRA type than British, right from the styles of pilots to the types of cabs, feedwater heaters, feedwater pumps, air pumps, turbo-generators, etc. A lot of commonality.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cp/cp-s0453jpa.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cp/cp-s1286jpa.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cp/cp-s2315.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cp/cp-s2813vaa.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cp/cp-s3004ggC.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cp/cp-s3100ggC.jpg
That was one of only two 4-8-4's home built by the CPR.
And I think steam buffs will be impressed with this display of power:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cp/cp-s5906ggC.jpg
selectorThe Royal Hudson was semi-streamlined and tidied up in advance of the royal visit way back when. Canadian steam looks a lot more like USRA type than British, right from the styles of pilots to the types of cabs, feedwater heaters, feedwater pumps, air pumps, turbo-generators, etc. A lot of commonality.
I agree.
I was referring only to the shrouding of the engines and was not clear in what I wrote. My apologies, I meant to say appearance, instead of design, clearly not the same thing.
In keeping with the "Worlds Greatest Travel System" theme, at some point in the early 1930s management had decided that future passenger engines should if possible all be shrouded, after all, it was all about image. The author of the book speculated that it was because the people making the decision had been influenced by what the British were doing and wanted a cleaner classier look. The second world war for Canada started in 1939 and that put an end to a lot of wish list. I will try and find the article.
My Grandfather ran maintenance for CN in Winnipeg through the war, he use to say he never saw an engine get washed for six years and they were held together with soup tins and spit. They never stopped.
http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_steam/royal.htm
http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_steam/jubilee.htm
http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_steam/T1.htm
http://www.cpr.ca/en/about-cp-site/Documents/History-of-the-CP-logo.pdf
There is a You-Tube video that shows British maintenance taking the shrouding off different locomotives in the shop. I will see if I can dig it up it is quite interesting.
First, that is a beautiful loco and I'm sure that Jason will do a great job.
As to this question about steam modeling and the future of the hobby, I don't agree that any possible decline in steam era modeling is a factor of the age of the modelers.
Here's why.
First, I'm 60, born in 1957, I never saw a steam locomotive in regular service.
BUT, I model 1954, and model lots of steam.
Yet I know several modelers OLDER than myself who model present day, or model 1965..........they have few if any steam locos.
As has been discussed on here before, I don't buy the idea that most people model the trains of their youth, because they saw them in their youth - that would be late 60's and early 70's for me - trains I have virtually no interest in .......
What I do think is a factor is this:
I will break this down by decade just for example purposes.
If we assume "modern" North American railroading started in 1900, and we break down the choice of era by decade, that means that in 1968, when I started in this hobby, one had 7 decades to choose from.
So if there were 200,000 model railroaders in North America, and their choice of era was evenly divided (we know that's not the case),
That would mean roughly 28,000 modelers per era/decade placing 143,000 modelers firmly in the steam era. Or, 71% of modelers would be steam era modelers.
Fast forward to today. NOW we have 12 era/decades to choose from, and even if the number of modelers is 400,000, that means, evenly divided, that is 33,000 modelers per era/decade, but only an increase to 166,000 steam era modelers, for a total percentage of only 41%, nearly cut in half the percentage of people modeling steam.
Now, more bad news. There is nothing to support the idea that the number of modelers has doubled, in fact its growth could be much slower or flat.
Second, we know that historically the transition era and "current day" modeling have always been the two leaders in surveys of era modeled.
Given these facts, steam modeling is not likely dieing off, but by virture of ever increasing choices it is becoming smaller percentage.
And these facts make it harder for manufacturers to sell high volumes of any product - the choices of what to make, and what to model are ever increasing as history marches on.
Hope Rapido does well with these models. If I was a "collector", and if I was inclinded to spend that much on a loco, I would buy one. But the ATLANTIC CENTRAL roster is pretty much full.
And that is another factor - collectors buy all sorts of stuff, but some modelers only buy what fits their layout theme........
Sheldon
selector I hesistate to point out, though, that Jason has asked 'the question' on at least one hobby forum. The Altas Rescue Forum is a diesel forum because, at least over the 12 years I have been in the hobby, that series of discussions is about all you ever see there. Anyway, Jason asked those members if they think steam is largely done in the hobby, or about to be done. He wouldn't have asked that question unless he is wondering if he may be biting off more than he can chew with continuing to develop high-caliber HO steam, especially for the even smaller market (potentially) of those who would want to fork out for Canadian steam locomotives.
I wonder why he picked that forum, then? I'm on some other forums, and on one of them many people are discussing modeling depression era and asking for smaller steam...
Gary
ATLANTIC CENTRALFirst, I'm 60, born in 1957, I never saw a steam locomotive in regular service. BUT, I model 1954, and model lots of steam. Yet I know several modelers OLDER than myself who model present day, or model 1965..........they have few if any steam locos.
Wow, surprise surprise! I thought, with your knowledge of steam, you grew up around it! Never mind!
So you must of took it on your own to learn all about it, so you can model it.
I NEVER was around any steam locos, didn't start paying attention to trains, until I was about 12? Staying at my grandpas farm, next to the SOO Line. I didn't have any family members immersed in to railroading, like alot of members in here. So I never wanted to model steam.
I still don't, but I have accuired a couple of steam locos.
I don't see interest in steam loco modeling ending anytime soon. It still represents the epitome of railroading. The manual labor, grit, grime and hard life of railroading at it's beginning.
Way back in July of 2011 there was a thread about Rapido's icon train.
"The Canadian"
One of the questions being thrown around was, who is going to buy the 2000 sets being made. I posed the question to Jason and this was his response.
Hi all,
It's been very interesting reading everyone's opinions on this subject. I'm not going to reply to all of the posts, but I think Brent's question warrants a reply to put things in perspective.
BATMAN Rapido guys. Any numbers on how many units are expected to be sold in Canada vs: elsewhere?
Rapido guys. Any numbers on how many units are expected to be sold in Canada vs: elsewhere?
Based on our current orders for the train and based on what I have been told by our US distributors, the projected split is 92% Canadian orders and 8% rest of the world.
Best regards,
Jason
I am wondering how many Royal Hudsons will need to be sold to let Rapido proceed to their next steam project.
Jason? Do I need to buy one more??????
mbinsewi ATLANTIC CENTRAL First, I'm 60, born in 1957, I never saw a steam locomotive in regular service. BUT, I model 1954, and model lots of steam. Yet I know several modelers OLDER than myself who model present day, or model 1965..........they have few if any steam locos. Wow, surprise surprise! I thought, with your knowledge of steam, you grew up around it! Never mind! So you must of took it on your own to learn all about it, so you can model it. I NEVER was around any steam locos, didn't start paying attention to trains, until I was about 12? Staying at my grandpas farm, next to the SOO Line. I didn't have any family members immersed in to railroading, like alot of members in here. So I never wanted to model steam. I still don't, but I have accuired a couple of steam locos. I don't see interest in steam loco modeling ending anytime soon. It still represents the epitome of railroading. The manual labor, grit, grime and hard life of railroading at it's beginning. Mike.
ATLANTIC CENTRAL First, I'm 60, born in 1957, I never saw a steam locomotive in regular service. BUT, I model 1954, and model lots of steam. Yet I know several modelers OLDER than myself who model present day, or model 1965..........they have few if any steam locos.
Mike,
While I did not see mainline steam in day to day operation, I did grow up near Baltimore, home of the B&O Railroad Museum, an institution full of important historic steam locos even when I was a child - I have been there many, many times, starting at the age of 7 or 8 years old.
Also, not far away is the Strasburg Railroad, where for the last 5 decades, steam powered trains run all day, every day, all spring, summer, and fall. My parents took us there many times, I have taken my children, and grand children, we still go on a regular basis.
My father gave me a good start in the hobby, I will spare everyone that story again, but I learned a lot from him, about trains, model trains and everything else ......
And I have always been the mechanical type. By age 18 I was an experienced auto mechanic, restored my first car from the ground up at 19, have rebuilt engines, transmissions, painted cars, etc.
I also do electrical work, plumbing, carpentry, most all of the building trades. Designed my first house addition, that actually got built, at age 15. Today I work as a historic restoration carpenter, residential designer draftsman and project manager/consultant on old homes.
I did more than 50% work to restore the 1901 home we live in......
And yes, I studied, and continue to study on my own. About trains, and about all the topics mentioned above and more. Someone much smarter than me once called me and autodidact - I had to look it up.
At age 13, my science fair project was on the Westinghouse Air Brake.......I don't just like trains, I "needed" to know how they work......
I'm not bragging here, there are many with way more knowledge of steam locomotives than I.
But yes, if it has do with how a machine works, or how something is built, I'm interested, and likely know at least the basics. And I am interested in history, of both people/places/nations, and the history of technology and machines.
Here is the thing about steam, it made railroading possible, and railroading changed the face of the North America, and the world, 50-60 years before the automobile made a similar impact.
That is partly why I model a time before my life, I like history.......born in 1957, I model 1954, a time that still in many ways reflected the state of the country from the late 30's and the 40's.
Here where I live in the Mid Atlantic, is in many ways one of cradles of this nation, and the cradle of railroading. History is everywhere around here, old buildings, old trains.......
This has gotten way to long....
cold stealDoes it smoke?
Based on the list of features on thier web site, no, no smoke.
Why? is that a deal breaker? If I bought one it would not have DCC or sound, I would would buy the DC version.......
But that's just me.......
garya selector I hesistate to point out, though, that Jason has asked 'the question' on at least one hobby forum. The Altas Rescue Forum is a diesel forum because, at least over the 12 years I have been in the hobby, that series of discussions is about all you ever see there. Anyway, Jason asked those members if they think steam is largely done in the hobby, or about to be done. He wouldn't have asked that question unless he is wondering if he may be biting off more than he can chew with continuing to develop high-caliber HO steam, especially for the even smaller market (potentially) of those who would want to fork out for Canadian steam locomotives. I wonder why he picked that forum, then? I'm on some other forums, and on one of them many people are discussing modeling depression era and asking for smaller steam...
Gary, I am puzzled by that as well. Maybe Jason felt he needed to see the overlap on a die-hard diesel forum to get a sense of how strongly the interest in his offerings would be across the hobby. I guess that most of us dabble in a bit of diesel or steam, even if we concentrate on one. I would love to get an SD70M-2 as I really like that chiseled nose. It's like a modern battle tank's glacis plate. But I need to save up for the H1b version of the Hudson from Rapido, the version like CPR 2816. Now, maybe I'll have to settle for a used brass one. I hope not.
-Crandell
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=ohk2mhfo&id=C817E1EA8C08B89B24D7AC98B0AF0EF1295583EF&thid=OIP.ohk2mhfoL6-4POrZTqlU3wHaDv&q=images%2cCPR+2816&simid=607995014131943883&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0
BATMAN selector The Royal Hudson was semi-streamlined and tidied up in advance of the royal visit way back when. Canadian steam looks a lot more like USRA type than British, right from the styles of pilots to the types of cabs, feedwater heaters, feedwater pumps, air pumps, turbo-generators, etc. A lot of commonality. I agree. I was referring only to the shrouding of the engines and was not clear in what I wrote. My apologies, I meant to say appearance, instead of design, clearly not the same thing... My Grandfather ran maintenance for CN in Winnipeg through the war, he use to say he never saw an engine get washed for six years and they were held together with soup tins and spit. They never stopped. http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_steam/royal.htm http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_steam/jubilee.htm http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/photos/cpr_steam/T1.htm http://www.cpr.ca/en/about-cp-site/Documents/History-of-the-CP-logo.pdf ...
selector The Royal Hudson was semi-streamlined and tidied up in advance of the royal visit way back when. Canadian steam looks a lot more like USRA type than British, right from the styles of pilots to the types of cabs, feedwater heaters, feedwater pumps, air pumps, turbo-generators, etc. A lot of commonality.
I was referring only to the shrouding of the engines and was not clear in what I wrote. My apologies, I meant to say appearance, instead of design, clearly not the same thing...
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Not at all, Brent. In fact, I was just posting without a mind as to who had said what, but wanted to give some history about the gussied up look the royals were given. Thanks for interjecting more history of your own. And I envy you your ancestry with respect to steamer maintenance.
Thanks for all those links, too. I'm getting sweet on those Jubliee Class 4-4-4 grey hounds. It seems to me the Pennsy made two of them under one boiler. They called it the T1.
mbinsewiAs a complete novice to steam, this locomotive looks so plain, compared to locos many of you show, which are filled with pipes, rods, etc.
Keep in mind what was shown is a pre-production model. That said, Jason will make sure his Royal Hudson will be detailed to match the prototype.
Rio Grande. The Action Road - Focus 1977-1983
selector garya selector I hesistate to point out, though, that Jason has asked 'the question' on at least one hobby forum. The Altas Rescue Forum is a diesel forum because, at least over the 12 years I have been in the hobby, that series of discussions is about all you ever see there. Anyway, Jason asked those members if they think steam is largely done in the hobby, or about to be done. He wouldn't have asked that question unless he is wondering if he may be biting off more than he can chew with continuing to develop high-caliber HO steam, especially for the even smaller market (potentially) of those who would want to fork out for Canadian steam locomotives. I wonder why he picked that forum, then? I'm on some other forums, and on one of them many people are discussing modeling depression era and asking for smaller steam... Gary, I am puzzled by that as well. Maybe Jason felt he needed to see the overlap on a die-hard diesel forum to get a sense of how strongly the interest in his offerings would be across the hobby. I guess that most of us dabble in a bit of diesel or steam, even if we concentrate on one. I would love to get an SD70M-2 as I really like that chiseled nose. It's like a modern battle tank's glacis plate. But I need to save up for the H1b version of the Hudson from Rapido, the version like CPR 2816. Now, maybe I'll have to settle for a used brass one. I hope not. -Crandell https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=ohk2mhfo&id=C817E1EA8C08B89B24D7AC98B0AF0EF1295583EF&thid=OIP.ohk2mhfoL6-4POrZTqlU3wHaDv&q=images%2cCPR+2816&simid=607995014131943883&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0
For starters, most of Jason products to date are very big with Atlas Rescue form members and Jason posts there as often as anywhere. Some seem to puzzle over his posting at ARF like it is a bad thing. Sure, ARF isn't a steam afficiando hang out, not nearly as much as here, but there are cross over fans there and Jason posed some valid questions.
Regardless, the reception of his steam engine update has been very positive. Not strange to me. I think it is very cool, even if I don't have lots of money to throw at other era's or region trains.
riogrande5761 For starters, most of Jason products to date are very big with Atlas Rescue form members and Jason posts there as often as anywhere. Some seem to puzzle over his posting at ARF like it is a bad thing. Sure, ARF isn't a steam afficiando hang out, not nearly as much as here, but there are cross over fans there and Jason posed some valid questions. Regardless, the reception of his steam engine update has been very positive. Not strange to me. I think it is very cool, even if I don't have lots of money to throw at other era's or region trains.
I have seen him post on the Atlas Rescue Forum many times over the past few years. He does post there because until now his product has been non-steam, and many members there are heavily into the transition era diesels and on until the late 80's or so, which he populates as a supplier.
What I meant by my comment is that it seems puzzling to me that he has not posed his question over on MRH or any of the other forums I visit daily, including this one.
Hopefully this will be better than the true line trains U 2 g 4 8 4. It already looking good from the video
selector Not at all, Brent. In fact, I was just posting without a mind as to who had said what, but wanted to give some history about the gussied up look the royals were given. Thanks for interjecting more history of your own. And I envy you your ancestry with respect to steamer maintenance. Thanks for all those links, too. I'm getting sweet on those Jubliee Class 4-4-4 grey hounds. It seems to me the Pennsy made two of them under one boiler. They called it the T1. -Crandell
Reading made a few too, only they didn't work very well and were soon rebuilt as 4-4-2's
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/rdg110s.jpg
Original name for the type actually was the Reading type.
--Randy
Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's
Visit my web site at www.readingeastpenn.com for construction updates, DCC Info, and more.
riogrande5761For starters, most of Jason products to date are very big with Atlas Rescue form members and Jason posts there as often as anywhere. Some seem to puzzle over his posting at ARF like it is a bad thing. Sure, ARF isn't a steam afficiando hang out, not nearly as much as here, but there are cross over fans there and Jason posed some valid questions. Regardless, the reception of his steam engine update has been very positive. Not strange to me. I think it is very cool, even if I don't have lots of money to throw at other era's or region trains.
I agree with you, Jim. I log into Diesel Detailer, and it's the same login as ARF, (same forum sponsor/owner?) so I also check in there. Jason does participate a lot in there.
As I've said, I only have a few of his freight cars.