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Posted by RideOnRoad on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:45 PM

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Through AAA, we have complementary identity-theft protection

I had signed up for the free coverage from AAA a couple of years ago. It only watches Experian so today I upgraded to the "deluxe" coverage that watches all three services, including the boneheads at Equifax. Btw, I am still on hold--2 hours, 6 minutes, and counting. I am going to have to bail soon to go to the store. That way I can start all over again tomorrow.

Update: I had called on my cell phone so I took my bluetooth earpiece and headed out to the store, did my shopping, and came home. At almost three hours, exactly, the phone rang and I talked to a real person. Unfortunately, Mrs. ROR is not covered and we will have to buy coverage for her. Oh well, at least now I know.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:39 PM

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Through AAA, we have complementary identity-theft protection

I have AAA and did not know that.  I tried to register for that online and entered an endless loop of sign in, click to register, sign in etc on 2 different browsers.

They had one of those annoying pop-up windows that ask you to take a survey.  I took it and gave them a piece of my mind.

You can get 3 credit reports a year.  The 3 credit reporting companies set up a website.

https://www.annualcreditreport.com/index.action

  In the past I have found a credit card that was reported open but had been closed.

Train front, precious little to report.  Put some primer on my truck side frames on a Stewart F3 A+B.  It has been in the box for 20+ years. Looks like I lost the brake details for one truck, and I started a diesel detail kit with the grab irons and rails.  No idea where the rest of those are either.  I'll make my own.  Ordered some parts from Bowser and a decoder from Litchfield.

 
 
 

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Posted by RideOnRoad on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:08 PM

Through AAA, we have complementary identity-theft protection. With the whole Equifax debacle (and, according to Equifax, we have been compromised), I wanted to ensure that both Mrs. ROR and I are covered. It seems that I am not the only one trying to talk the the service provider. Ninety minutes later I am still on hold, being told every two minutes that my call is important to them.

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Posted by angelob6660 on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 12:58 PM

Afternoon Diners,

If that Hurricane Irma cake hasn't disappeared yet I'll have a slice. 

Nice to seeing you again LION.

Jimmy- I like your pictures on the WLE and Rio Grande.

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 10:50 AM

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Before people start discussing 9/11, let me remind everyone to keep politics, religion, and ethnicity out of your posts.

If you can't make your point without touching on those topics, DON'T POST.

 

 

Ah yes, I remember that date well. I was getting Fr. R. ready for a transfer to the nursing home when I watched those buildings come down.

On September 10th the Subway Forum had a discussion on what New York would look like 100 years from then. They said that the World Trade Center would still be there.

 

The very next day it wsn't.

 

But watch out for Fr. R. The day they has him circumcised New Orleans flooded.

 

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:46 AM

Good morning ... 

Jimmy .... I saw three W&LE locomotives in Toledo on our way home from Michigan on Friday. They were parked at the CN/GTW yard next to I-75 just south of the MI/OH border. Two were lettered for W&LE and the other was lettered for Rio Grande. I could not look closely because I was driving on I-75. ... I wish you the best with meeting and everything else. 

Bear, Ken, and Dave ... Thanks for sharing your 9/11 memories. 

...

I'll be working on the layoiut today. 

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Posted by Jimmy_Braum on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:09 AM

Morning all. 

I could use the good thoughts headed my way...a bit of stuff I'm not at liberty to say but still affecting me.

  Modeling:  Marked up one of my wheeling hoppers to look exactly like the prototype- including some spray paint.  I'm most likely going to be able to go to the September MCR division 2 meeting this sunday- anyone going from here? So I am deciding between all my diesels for which two to enter in the bring and brag.

These two are in the lead for my second entry.

Ah well, Hope everyone has a great day.

 

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Posted by BigDaddy on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:04 AM

Time to lighten things up a bit, how about a swim

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/photo-of-the-day/2017/09/whale-alaska-ocean/

Sorry about the pop-up and the ads, Nat Geo has gotten almost as bad as Photobucket

 
 

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Posted by hon30critter on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:48 AM

On 9/11 my eldest son Glenn was not in school for reasons I can't remember, and he was watching television. I decided to join him to be sociable, despite the fact that I rarely watch TV. Shortly after I sat down the usual programming was interupted by the reports from New York city. We watched the horror unfold in disbelief. Like Ken said, I knew there could be 25,000 to 30,000 people in those buildings. We watched people falling to their deaths. I felt hollow and helpless.

My brother called me in a panic, saying we should immediately retreat to our cottage in Northern Ontario in case Toronto got attacked. I told him to get a grip.

When I recall those memories they still leave me feeling hollow.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:25 AM
9/11 has always been a bit confusing for us, as we would write the date as 11/9, and it was, due to time zones, the 12th when the reports came through.
That said, I was on my way to work when the news came on with a somewhat confusing report about an aircraft hitting the World Trade Centre. It was quite surreal and I must admit I thought it was an Orson Wells type hoax, and continued to work. It wasn’t until a customer came in and told me what he’d seen on TV, so I went along to the airport cafeteria where there was a TV and saw it for myself. It was very sobering, to say the least.

 

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Posted by cudaken on Monday, September 11, 2017 10:24 PM

 I was a manger of a Midas when the attack came. Saw one of the Twin Towers on and a customer told me it was hit by a plane. While I was watching the TV the second plane hit. I knew we where in deep poop at that point. I was stunned by 2 things.

 That the towers came down and how few lives where lost. I knew they could hold around 25,000 to 35,000 people. What a sad day for man kind. Sigh

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Monday, September 11, 2017 9:59 PM

Steven  ... thanks for the cake.  Clever. I meant to comment about it earlier. 

Henry... it must be very difficult for your friend's son  each time he recalls witnessing what happened at the WTC on 9/11. 

Jan ... it is heartbreaking reading your post about how the WW II Vet reacted to the 9/11 attacks.  It was good of you and your friends to want to re-enlist. ...  I too recall the news reporter saying it was a small plane.  I doubted it was a small plane because I have been in the WTC and know how big it was.  The hole in the building showed the wingspan was as wide as the building . 

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the remnants of Irma are coming towards us. We are beginning to get rain even though the Center of the storm is hundreds of miles away.

it should be a good day to work on the layout tomorrow. 

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Posted by moelarrycurly4 on Monday, September 11, 2017 9:44 PM

It has a volume control, and I believe with careful surgery you might be able to splice more LEDs into the system. The lights are on a tape, and are extremely bright, with a blue white light. There are only five screw connectiions to be made, one each for the on/off switch, and three for the LEDs, one ea. power, and one common.

 

You prob could not add very many to the system as it is prob maxed out for current that it draws for the LED its has. 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, September 11, 2017 9:31 PM

A die hard Vikings fan I am.

I have just one thing to say. A.P.  You leave us you lose us.  Just a little bit of that old-fashioned karma coming down.

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Posted by herrinchoker on Monday, September 11, 2017 8:43 PM

Give Ken a double of Newfoundland Screech.

Ken

It has a volume control, and I believe with careful surgery you might be able to splice more LEDs into the system. The lights are on a tape, and are extremely bright, with a blue white light. There are only five screw connectiions to be made, one each for the on/off switch, and three for the LEDs, one ea. power, and one common.

9/11

I was at work that day, maintenance at a retirement community. We were in the process of setting up for an art exhibit, and I needed some mollys to hang pictures in the sheet rock, and had gone back to the shop for same. We had a TV on in our dayroom, and as I walked in there was the WTC with a gaping, smoke and flame filled hole being shown. I remember the announcer saying a small plane had hit the tower--

I went back to the hall where the art exhibit was to take place and fired up the large projection screen TV, and tuned in FOX to see what else might be going on.  One of the residents was a retired USAF full bird colonel who had flown 0ver 100 missions into Germany during WWII in a B-17. As we were standing watching the events the second plane hit the other tower. In a low voice the colonel said," My God, Pearl Harbor again !", and then walked away. Not quite two weeks later he went over the edge and trashed his apartment. I always believed watching the aircraft striking the building triggered somthing he had within. He ended up in a psyc ward, and passed just over six months later.

At the time there were three of us here on the Island that were Vietnam Vets, and we would, on occasion, support each other in ' life's daily challanges '. On 9/12/01 we had a sitdown, and came to the conclusion we would try to "re-up", as it were. Our reasoning being that we all had seen the elephant, and it would make sense,(to us) that rather than send  a ninteen or twenty somthing out to establish 'pay-back' we had an avantage based on experience that they did not. Nevermind that we were all in out 60s.

The staff at the recruiting office were kind to the 'old guys', but no amount of arguement on our part could convince them to start the paperwork. We pointed out to them that in times of National Emergency we could be drafted out to age 70. We were told that it was not a National Emergency--just yet. I would not be allowed to write how offended I felt by the actions taken against the innocents of this nation.

9/11 is also the anniversary of my Father's passing, I was blessed in that I was holding his hand as he passed over, and was able to tell him I loved him one last time.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Monday, September 11, 2017 6:04 PM

It was a foggy morning her in Baltimore and they were initally vague about what size plane hit the WTC.  Stuff happens, a B-26 hit the Empire State Building after WW2.

I took the dog for a walk and the second tower was hit while we were out.

One of my best friend's sons was getting off the subway as I was walking my dog.  He saw something burning in the street, thought there was a riot and went into one of the WTC buildings.  He left in time to describe people jumping out of the building, looking like "leaves falling off a tree." 

He was too rattled to take the train home to his parents, they drove up and got him.  They said he still smelled like smoke.

 There was also a car parked in the lot at the Amtrak station at the Baltimore airport covered in WTC dust.  It was there for two years!  Apparently I was the only one that was suspicious. 
 

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Monday, September 11, 2017 2:58 PM

Angel....   I can't answer about that glue because I have not used it .  Interesting you learned of the attacks on your way to school. 

Mr. B .   ... I'm sad to hear you lost coworkers in the attacks .  I will keep your suggestion in mind about seeing the 9/11 memorial. 

Brent.   We were already in Halifax when the attacks occurred, but I recall people talking about long delays before they got off the planes. ... it was several days before we could get VIA tickets, and we stayed at the hotel in downtown Halifax. .... In the evenings we went to a nearby casino and our budget was only five dollars per night for playing the five cent slot machines. That lasted about two hours each night. That was our only experience with casinos.  

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Posted by BATMAN on Monday, September 11, 2017 2:23 PM

Garry, how long did you have to wait on the plane before you got off? I am sure people on the planes could hear us thumping around in the hold under their feet and were wondering what was going on. Remember they were sitting out on the runway, not at a gate. They must have wondered why we were taking stuff off out on the runway. A lot of ground control rules were being made up as we went along that day.Laugh

The animals got off long before the people did. We knew it would be a while before anyone was leaving. I think it was three days, I am not sure, gettin old and senile.

There were tons and tons of perishables on these flights. Fresh fish and other delicacies from Asia headed for the hoity toity shops and restaurants of North America. I remember garbage trucks galore lining up to take all this stuff to the dump as it was ruined.

I also remember a lot of fighter jets on the wings of these flights coming in. Just in case.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Monday, September 11, 2017 2:14 PM

I was at work that day.  I heard the news from the cashier in the cafeteria as I bought my morning coffee.  My first thought was that something was wrong with the ILS landing approach into LaGuardia airport, but when I checked the weather I saw clear skies in New York so that was not it.

No work got done that day.  One guy on our project was at the Pentagon that day and it was a while before we heard from him.  My section manager came to my office.  One of her jogging partners had been on one of the planes.  Altogether, my company lost 4 employees that day.  I've retired now, but every September 11 they hold a memorial service to honor our lost coworkers.

I urge you all to visit the 9/11 Memorial in New York if you can.  I went with my girlfriend a few months ago.  We sat and wept for the lives taken away, good people whose only fault was going to work that day.

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Posted by angelob6660 on Monday, September 11, 2017 2:13 PM

Afternoon Diners,

I recently enrolled for dental insurance since my current insurance covers people under 18. There's no choice to change it I tried.

I went to Michaels a few days ago to get some more supplies. I bought Testors Window modeling glue for automobiles and jets. (The shelves were empty expect for that). Will this CA work building a small bridge and structures?

September 11. I remember mine, I was on my way to school next to the bank when I heard over the radio. I was 15. My English and Religion classes were to watch and understanding the situations. Another thing is that my remember is starting to forget about that day. 

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Monday, September 11, 2017 2:05 PM

FRRY ... Your Greyhound 9/11/2001 memory is interesting.

Jimmy ... Remarkable you saw doomed flight 93 . 

Brent .... Your story about caring for animals at Vancouver Airport on 9/11/2001 is amazing. Until now, I have not thought about animals who were on board the planes diverted to Canadian airports. You deserve a medal for being a hero to the stranded animals. ... The link with Halifax airport photos is remarkable too. Canadians certainly acted above and beyond the call of duty on 9/11/2001. They really stepped up to the plate. ..... I still remember meeting many of the diverted passengers (mostly European and Amercan) who went to downtown Halifax after they got off the planes. ... Nova Scotia is a good place to be stranded, but of course we all hope it never happens again. 

Jim UP831 ... Your memories of finding out about the attacks while at work are something you will never forget. 

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Posted by up831 on Monday, September 11, 2017 1:59 PM

Good afternoon Diners,

Flo, I'll have an extra large coffee with lots of cream, please.

Like everyone else, I remember exactly where I was and what I was doing when I heard the news.  It was the same when President Kennedy was assassinated.  You just never forget it.

I was at work.  It was a typical September day starting to warm up from the cool night before.  My cubicle was right across the aisle from a small conference room which had a TV in it.  Someone came in and turned on the TV.  Not knowing what was happening, I stood up to see what was going on.  I think both buildings had already been hit, but on that point I'm not sure.  What I remember vividly was watching the first building collapse.  There was a very perverse beauty to it, seeing the walls cascade down like a fireworks rocket or a waterfall, but at the same time knowing that people were dying as I watched, and there wasn't a thing I could do about it.  Not a pleasant memory.

Incidently, a few years ago, MOH and I stopped and saw the memorial.  Very well done.  They hadn't finished the museum yet, but theRe was a sereneness to it.  You wouldn't really know the horror that had happened there several years before.

Anyway, prayers to all of the victims and their families. Not only for 911, but also for Harvey and Irma. And we may be adding Jose to that, don't know.

Hello to everyone, and I hope everyone is OK and safe.

Less is more,...more or less!

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Posted by Jimmy_Braum on Monday, September 11, 2017 1:29 PM

9/11. I was nine years old In Elementary school.  I remember pieces of that day very clear.  I watched the whole thing unfurl on a tv the teacher rolled into her room, and it shook me. I was afraid that they were going to hit my school. I was jealous of k going home early, if I had only known.  I also have a personal connection to it- I saw flight 93 that day. I looked out my classroom window at the right moment. It flew over my school, by this point it was pretty low. It was flying normally though, so nothing was out of the ordinary.  It was flying east, and was the only plane I saw all day- which I didn't think was weird at that age. a friend of mines dad was working on PA 43 and backs up my story-He saw it to. 

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Posted by BATMAN on Monday, September 11, 2017 1:13 PM

That horrible day for me started with a phone call from the MIL. It was early here on the West Coast and we were still in bed barely awake. It was around 0600hrs. In her very English voice, She said "look whats happening to the Americans! Turn on your TV! Well, we watched until I left for work. 

I got to work and the guys and I had nothin to do as all flights had been grounded. We were sitting out in the sun with our Tim Hortons coffee and all of a sudden 747 after 747 started coming in along with other large long haul planes like DC10s, L10-11s and such, we had a perfect view of the runway. There were airlines with paint schemes we had not seen before because they never frequented Vancouver.

Most of these flights were from Asia and Eastern Europe that come over the pole. We watched for a while and got the news from Ottawa that U.S. bound flights were not allowed in U.S. airspace and Vancouver will get as many planes as can fit on the airport. I said to the guy's let's go, not our job but there is work to be done. We went over to the Air Canada cargo shed and grabbed some equipment and headed out to help get a start on dealing with stuff on all these flights that could not stay on them for much longer. Being an animal lover and married to a veterinarian we started grabbing animals off the planes. There were hundreds and hundreds of them. The Air Canada cargo shed has warm rooms for the tropical beast and cool and cold rooms for others. I was on the phone with the wife a lot that day asking what animals should be prioritized for temperature controlled rooms. We had Air Canada customers that happened to be there at the time helping water and walk dogs and I got someone from Air Canada to get on the phone to arrange for food and water for all these animals. They also got Vets and experts in to help care for them.

It was weird having all these people on the planes looking down at us as we went through the holds of these planes. The passengers had not been told why they were there for security reasons. Many of them spent hours on the plane before they were allowed off. Screening was thorough for obvious reasons.

It was wall to wall planes, they were parked on taxiways and runways tightly together.

Here are some pics from Halifax airport, Vancouver was the same or worse as it is a much larger airport.

http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2014/09/11/the-miracle-amid-the-tragedy-of-911/ 

We got a call from Ottawa to stay and help as long as we were needed, it was a long day and night.

The next day we helped load supplies on to a couple of Military Hercules that were heading up to Whitehorse and Yellowknife as a few flights had been directed there and they needed groceries.

It was an interesting day that I will never forget. 

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Posted by Steven Otte on Monday, September 11, 2017 1:09 PM

maxman

When I had to work at the nuclear power plant they made you take a test to see if you were "sane". One of the questions always asked was "when you were a kid in school did you ever have the urge to pull the fire alarm to create a false alarm?" 

You know, I never did have that urge until they asked me.

 

Only that's not a fire alarm, Maxman. It's an eject button.

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Posted by maxman on Monday, September 11, 2017 11:38 AM

When I had to work at the nuclear power plant they made you take a test to see if you were "sane". One of the questions always asked was "when you were a kid in school did you ever have the urge to pull the fire alarm to create a false alarm?" 

You know, I never did have that urge until they asked me.

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Posted by Steven Otte on Monday, September 11, 2017 11:25 AM

Before people start discussing 9/11, let me remind everyone to keep politics, religion, and ethnicity out of your posts.

If you can't make your point without touching on those topics, DON'T POST.

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Posted by FRRYKid on Monday, September 11, 2017 9:48 AM

Mentioning 9/11:

I will never forget where I was when I heard about it. I was living in North Dakota at that time and I was sitting on a Greyhound bus coming home for my Grandfather's funeral. He had passed away on the 7th. It was west of Glendive when the driver came on the overhead and mentioned that we were the only form of mass transit that was still running as a result of the twin towers being hit.

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Posted by Steven Otte on Monday, September 11, 2017 9:14 AM

As devastating as Hurricane Irma was, Florida seems to have come through with less damage than was feared. At least I'm telling myself that until I hear from my parents, who live about a mile from Tampa Bay. They evacuated to my cousin's house in Lakeland... which ended up right in the storm's new path.

Anyway, no use worrying until I hear one way or the other. In the meantime, Janie, I'll just have a slice of cake...

Really? Too soon, Janie. Too soon.

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Monday, September 11, 2017 8:03 AM

Our memories of  September 11, 2001.

Shelley and I were in Halifax, Nova Scotia. We spent the day watching the horrors on TV. About 50 trans-Atlantic flights landed in Halifax that day because US airports were closed. The Canadians were very good at accommodating the thousands of stranded people. 

We had flown via American Airlines from Nashville to Halifax with a change of flights in Boston on September 9th. Thinking back, we realized some of the 9/11 terrorists must have walked in the same airport only 2 days later. On September 10th, we were on a bus tour and learned of tragedies in the past affecting Nova Scotia. There was a Swiss Air crash off the coast a number of years prior. Many Titanic victims are buried in Halifax. In WW I a munitions ship exploded in the harbor which burned down the city and killed about 3000 people. The fishing village, Peggy’s Cove, was named after a girl who was the only survivor of an 1800’s ship wreck. .... We did not know, of course, we would be witnessing a major tragedy with our hotel TV the next day. 

On September 12th, we decided we would return home as soon as we could. Flights were unavailable, and we really were afraid to fly at that time. We considered renting a car one-way to the US, but it would cost over $3,000 to do so at that time. We considered joining other people from the US who were going to charter a bus to Chicago. Finally, we decided to take the train. Several days later we road Via's Ocean to Montreal. Then we road a Via train to Toronto. (Via is Canada's rail system similar to Amtrak here.) 

We spent the night at a Toronto hotel with plans to take the train to Windsor at the border with Detroit. We cancelled that plan when we learned highway border crossings into Detroit were taking about 12 hours. We stayed a second night in Toronto, and the next morning we boarded the Amtrak train that crossed through Michigan to Chicago. Where the train crossed the border to Port Huron, MI, all passengers had to get off the train to ride busses to go through immigration. There were very long lines on the highway entering Port Huron over the bridge. The train was several hours late after that.

When the train arrived at Flint, MI we got off, and we rented a car. We stopped in Detroit area briefly, and then drove to Nashville, TN. We picked up our car which had been parked at the airport all of that time, and we drove home.

Below are photos I took from the dome observation car of VIA's Ocean:



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EVERYWHERE LOST; WE HUSTLE OUR CABOOSE FOR YOU

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