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Posted by ricktrains4824 on Monday, August 7, 2017 2:26 PM

Good afternoon all.

Zoe - It must be the day for Ribs... That's what I'm cooking for dinner tonight! Guess I will have to taste test the ones from Steve & Brent as well. See who makes the better ones out of the three of us... 

Steve & Brent - Are those ribs available in an all you can eat version? Wink

Tom - I had seen about the CSX derailment on our local news up here, they made quite the mess! 

Howmus - At least now I know I'm not the only one with "out of scale" spider issues... 

Ken - You certainly had a much busier day than me... I sold a miter saw... That's it!

W*^k - Slow... Hoping that a customer comes back, as they were looking a both a fridge, freezer, and a stove. Be nice to get that for a sale.

Weather - Comfortable weather right now, wouldn't mind if it stayed this way for a while.

Hope all are well, and all have a good day!

EDIT - Looks like everyone's ribs are on me, as I have the top of the page. Dig in everyone!

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Posted by angelob6660 on Monday, August 7, 2017 3:37 PM

Afternoon Diners,

It's been a slow couple of days. Not much to talk about. 

I found out I preordered two Boston and Maine hoppers, luckily it was two different numbers. I didn't know I ordered two hoppers.

Recently I purchased two BLMA green pipe loads for my flatcars. And a template to make own loads since I got 8 straws from Burger King. When I received them they came in plain bubble wrap, when the seller say new/unopened I was expecting a box or something. I would need a container or something to hold it so it wouldn't be broken.

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Posted by FRRYKid on Monday, August 7, 2017 4:04 PM

As I had hoped, I managed to get the futon fixed. As seems to always to happen, more pieces were damaged than I though. With some swaping and such, I was able to get everything back together. It took a lot longer than I though, but any repair always seems to that.

I did find that with this new frame, there were a lot of improvements from the frame on the old one. Won't go into them but they should make this new one much better.

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Posted by cudaken on Monday, August 7, 2017 10:04 PM

 Evening Diners

 Flo, Ed, Jan, Brent, Inch and I will have a Beer with a side of Rib's. Give Rick a Rootbeer Float as well.

 It was a Good and sort of bad day today. Reason I say sort of bad day is I had my wife's car picked to be reparied. I was thinking "heck how hard can it be to install a starter on a car with out headers!" But then, I thought to my self "Ken, what if the problem is a relay or something I know nothing about?" So I dropped of the Key at Bob's on the way to work.

 Work Front was the good part! While it was Sloooooow with only 2 customers like last Monday one was a good one! She was looking for a full sizes mattress for a guest room. All so stated she did not want to spend a lot. Whistling This normally means $300.00 from most customers, not this one! Surprise She spent $900.00 and bought a good spiff bed and I made a extra $105.00 in spiff just like last Monday.

 Rick How many customers are coming in your store? Bet it is more than 2 a day.

 Ulrich Hope all is well with you and Petera!

 Ken

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Monday, August 7, 2017 10:52 PM

Good evening. It was a busy day here. 

Good to see everybody who posted sine my post yesterday. ... Ken, Herrinchoker , JR , FRRY , Angel , Ricky, and Brent.

Steven ... Sorry I was late for the ribs, but thanks. They were for Ray, but he did not show up.  

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Posted by gmpullman on Tuesday, August 8, 2017 4:52 AM

Helloooo... (add echo)

Anybody home?

Quiet times in the Diner. Thanks for the ribs,Steven! Tender and meaty and the sauce was just right Dinner

I trust the folks are doing well, here. At least I hope everyone is well.

Old Mister Wilson supervised a concrete j*b I had today. Mrs. Pullman let me use her Kushlan mixer so it wasn't too bad on the back and shoulders!

 IMG_9681_fix_web by Edmund, on Flickr

We are pouring footers for an addition to the deck. I'm going to try my luck at Trex composite decking. Just another Summer project—one of MANY!

Wilson did a fine job of rodent control and counting the empty Redimix bags.


 I still had time to get to a few Model Railroad projects, too.

I painted and lettered a brass PRR "Coast-To-Coast tender that was rebuilt as an auxiliary water tender. Turned out pretty well, to my satisfaction, anyway.

 IMG_9705_fix_web by Edmund, on Flickr

Along with the tender, I printed some signs and did some blocking on a pair of transformer loads on these depressed-center flats.

I like the way some shippers used to put signs like these on some of the special loads that used to ship by rail.

 IMG_9716_fix_web by Edmund, on Flickr

 IMG_9718_fix_web by Edmund, on Flickr

 IMG_9723_fix_web by Edmund, on Flickr

I still have to make some steel-rod bracing then we're good-to-go!

Enjoy your day, Folks! Angel Prayers to all who may be in need...

Regards, Ed

 

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Posted by GMTRacing on Tuesday, August 8, 2017 6:36 AM

Good Morning All,

     A regular to go please Zoe and two eggs over medium with home fries and sausages please. Another busy day in store in the shop. Finishing up for Mt Equinox and todays actual jobs are steering racks that have backed up in the pipeline while we thrashed on other stuff for Monterey.

   Ed, that is some gorgeous modeling. The transformers hit close to home as Pittsfield is north of us and the finished product often rolled through Danbury on their way to the docks for shipment or to their destinations elsewhere south of here. The plant is closed now and the legacy cleanup of the PCBs in the Housatonic River is ongoing. Going fly fishing with my Dad and Uncle in the old days we'd go north or far south of Pittsfield because there was a thick coating of foam on the river downstream of the plant. We just didn't really know any better back then. Same went for Danbury with all the hat factories which all discharged into the Still River which in turn fed into the Housatonic in New Milford. 

    Well enough of that - time to pick up tools.    See y'all later, J.R.

   

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Tuesday, August 8, 2017 8:06 AM

Good morning, Diners. .... I'll have coffee and a donut please. 

Ed ... The big tender and the transformers on depressed flat cars are impressive models. Also, I saw your beautiful nigh scene photo in "Show Me Something" thread. Outstanding ! .. Bow .... And you still have time for outside jobs, Amazing. 

JR.... You seem busy with your racing activities, and I am interested in hearing all you say about it. I suppose by now you have been back to normal after that fire a few years ago. Have you been able to get a new layout started ? 

Today will be another busy day here. ... 

Happy Model Railroading 

 

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Posted by angelob6660 on Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:57 AM

Morning diners,

Ken- Is selling mattresses really boring, I'm surprised you don't get more customers.

Ed- That is an impressive signs for the transformer. I forgot those signs (and similar) when I look at old photos.

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Posted by howmus on Tuesday, August 8, 2017 9:10 PM

Knock, knock...... Ah......  Hmmmmmm.  The lights are on but nobodies here!  Oh hi Janie!  Where is everyone?  Slow day today, huh?

Well, I could use a cup of decaf for the moment.  And....  One of those large brownies with a scoop of Vanilla Ice Cream I think.

I got alot of odds and ends done today like, mowing the lawn, doing laundry so I can have something to wear tomorrow, and changing out the bed sheets as Manét decided to throw up on the bed early this morning!  (hack, hack, haaaaaaaack!!!!)  Good thing I like that little guy.  Got the grocery shopping done and drove over to the Mennonite Farm Store for some supplies.  They now have muskmellons in, so I got one that will last me about 6 days...  Biiiiiigggg!

How about I share some photos of the Museum Tour yesterday?

This is my son from Chicago standing by an old High Wheel Bicycle...

For you Harley fans out there, this is where it all began back in the early 1900's (1922 Evans):

Oh!  The piece of equipment we came to see!  This was made and donated by my FIL.  My son wanted to see his Grandfather's work.  He was just a toddler when "Barney" was doing this conversion:

It is a Model A Ford engine that he converted to power a Pietenpol Air Camper.  The engine had to be made so it could run upside down and in most any other position and still get gas and have proper lubrication in it.  I remember watching him work on it and showing me what went into it.  Oh, the propeller on it was made by my FIL as well.  By hand!  He told me it should never run as it is very much out of balance.  Here is the old sign (not used anymore) that was placed on the motor. 

Close up:

And here is what I really wanted to see!  The caboose is a Bath and Hammondsport RR and the Alice Chalmer B is the same as the second farm tractor I ever drove.  I was 5 years old at the time, and it really was more tractor than I could handle even thouth it was 10HP less than the Ford 8N....  Had a very strong spring on the clutch.  I could push it down but couldn't control it when I let it in.  The Ford you just stood up and the clutch went down.....  Easy to let the clutch in as well because you were standing up and just pushed down on the steering wheel.  Easy to control for a, at that time, 4 year old kid to drive.......  I got an early start running equipment!

Have a great one!

73

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Posted by FRRYKid on Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:32 PM

howmus

One of those large brownies with a scoop of Vanilla Ice Cream I think.

One of those sounds good to me as well, but would you also put some raspberry sauce on it? Thank you so much.

Hobby Front: Decided to bring a few pieces of the (long-delayed) sanding tower from a hopper car home to be painted. One of the pieces needed to be painted before it is installed as I won't be able to access it to paint it once it's installed. Also brought the squares that will be the concrete bases. (I don't like painting on the layout as it is quite dusty. Additionally, I don't keep any bottled paints or brushes there either.) They will go back next week and hopefully another step on the tower will be done.

After figuring out what I needed, I broke down and got the weights I was looking at ordered. I even decided to order for a couple of cars I don't even have yet! (I will be getting them eventually so why not.) A few cars won't be getting them as I can't get the cars apart to insert the new weights. (On that point a certain manufacturers cabooses are almost impossible to get back apart once they are together unless preparations were made when they were put together in the first place. They are very good except for that point.)

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Posted by cudaken on Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:00 PM

 Hum, is any one home?

 Flo, guess we have the same customer base, I all so only had 1 new coustomer today.

 Anyway Flo, Ed, Inch, Jan, Bent, Angelob6660 and I will have a Beer please.

 

angelob6660
Is selling mattresses really boring, I'm surprised you don't get more customers.

 Angelo Mattress store are seldom over ran with customer. Only one time did I feel over weldem when I was with Mattress Gaint. I have for gotten the holiday but Jim and I where the #2 store in the company with $35,000.00 in sales in 1 day! Each of us had around 20 + customers in 8 hours! I had $18,000.00 in sales that day and made $1900.00!

 But, that is far from being normal. Even when I was making good money in this bussines 14 people in one day was busy for 2 people.  Most good sales take around a hour to get the deal done.

 Far as getting bored? That depends on the person and what they like to do. I sometimes take engines or rolling stock to work to work on. Plus I love to read! I have read 198 books in the last 4 years while at work so I am seldom bored out of my mind. Most of my life my jobs have been very fast pace and I was on my feet 11 hours a day. So I do enjoy the slower and quite pase of selling mattress. The 20 years I ran body shops, the racket would make most people lose there mind! Hum Whistling Wonder if that is what happen to mine?

 Ed I must say you are a master! Bow Bow Bow Bow Bow Bow Bow Bow

 Later, Ken

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Wednesday, August 9, 2017 8:25 AM

Good morning .... I'll have a pecan roll and a coffee please. 

Ray .... A Ford powered air camper. That is unique. You should make a model of one for your layout. .... Nice to meet your son of Chicago. I grew up there. 

FRRY ... The sand tower sounds like a good project. 

Ken .... I think I'll razz you because you never include me in your beer party. 

MLC .... I did not yet make the trip to Paducah. Now it will likely be a couple of days after the eclipse when I go there. . 

..... 

I have another diversion. We bought the boat yesterday. ... 

My friends and I repaired the wiring on my truck which was damaged when a tire failed on I-24 a couple of weeks ago. It was more challenging than any of us envisioned when we started. Next, the fender needs repairs, and I'll have a pro do that. 

 

 

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Posted by Steven Otte on Wednesday, August 9, 2017 9:08 AM

Morning, all. If it seems quiet in here this morning, that's at the request of Chloe and Zoe, who went to their family reunion last night and are feeling the aftereffects this morning. (Still, a little hangover is worth it to be able to see uncles Ray and Jay, grandparents Ken and Jen, aunts Billie, Millie, and Tillie, and cousins Sara, Kara, Tara, Lara, Dara, Amara, and Mitch.) That also explains why today's special is potluck leftovers. Dig in.

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Posted by fec153 on Wednesday, August 9, 2017 10:09 AM

JOHN- ( j w ) Now both addresses DON'T work. What now ???

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Posted by BATMAN on Wednesday, August 9, 2017 1:47 PM

Good morning from just North of the forty-ninth on the left coast of North America.

We are getting a bit of an on shore flow, as the direction that our weather systems are coming from gets back to normal. The blue sky is trying real hard to peep through all the smoke and the breathing has become noticeably easier and I don't even have issues in that department so I bet a lot of asthma sufferers and others are breathing more than just a sigh of relief.   

Ken, those beers went down real easy last night, after my take it easy day, turned into a gettin a lot done day. We are starting to get rid of a lot of stuff in anticipation of moving overseas (to Vancouver Island) in two years. I took a ton of styrofoam to the recycle depot, in fact, it filled the back of the P/U truck up. The recycle guy had a disgruntled look on his face when I arrived. We have a styrofoam manufacturer not too far away, I should have probably have taken it there instead. The bags the recycle guy uses for this stuff are huge (car size). I helped him bag it all, so that made him a little happier.Laugh

Ed, I see you also use plastic buckets for forms. I used them to make valve chambers for underground septic piping. The concrete went on the outside of the bucket of course. Nice work on the transformer cars by the way. I have set up with the new photo sharing site, so hopefully, I can get back to posting pics soon.

Angelo, how many pieces of rolling stock and loco's do you have? Too bad you don't live in the neighbourhood, as I would enjoy a helping hand on the layout.

I am starting to wonder how much time I should allow for dismantling of the layout in case that is what must be done at moving time. Maybe Mr. Beasley can give us a running commentary of that unpleasant task, seeing he is going through that now.

Ray, cool pic's of the museum. I always wondered how they got on those high wheel bikes, I will see if there is a You-Tube video on it later.

Steven, the kid made me Mac and Cheese for lunch yesterday, I haven't had that in years, so it went down pretty good. We still have lots of ribs left over from Monday so I think they will be for lunch today.Dinner

Speaking of the kid, he wrote us a big fat check yesterday for his University tuition and for his cell phone bill for the next three years of the contract. We said he didn't need to, but he insisted. He told us he really appreciated the fact we sent him to a private school for 13 years as it made a huge difference to his education, and he would pay as much as he could towards University. So between all his scholarships, and him making a killing in the movie biz over the last year, we have $27000.00 we don't need to spend. We will leave it in the bank for my daughter as she wants to go to Medical school. I tell ya, starting an education fund 19 years ago was the right thing to do. I couldn't imagine trying to come up with the funds out of the blue for that kind of money. 

Speaking of the kid and his movie stuff, he doesn't think he will be getting more work this Summer as there is a bit of a hiatus right now. For the better-paying jobs, he would have had to have all his costume fittings done by now. The phone is ringing lot's, however, he is informing them he won't be here at the end of August. They are already talking to him about next April if he comes home for the summer. He may work at the Parliament buildings through the Summer though. He is starting to rethink that as the movie pay is pretty high and it would really boost his standard of living while at school, plus he wouldn't be paying room and board in Ottawa over the Summer. He has heard rumours that the next Star Trek movie may start shooting much earlier than expected and he really wants to work on that, so there are lots of variables in play.

The courses he is taking are very hard to get in to and it is a small group that is enrolled. They have already formed a facebook group and can't wait to meet each other. He has some good friendships going already.

Well time for an hour on the Guitar, then, ribs for lunch and then I have to take Mr. MoviestarLaugh to the plastic surgeon to get five stitches out of his face. It isn't even hockey season.Laugh

Ken can leave his wallet in his pants today as the Beer and Pinacolodas are all on me. Even Garry's.LaughPirate

All the best to all.

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Posted by ricktrains4824 on Wednesday, August 9, 2017 1:58 PM

Good afternoon all.

I brought BBQ ham for sandwiches to add to the pot-luck food.

Janie - A plate for the leftovers and a RBF please.

Ken - Some days, yes. Some days no. Yesterday we had 3 the whole day. Today we have 5, but all small stuff. (Under $100 each sale.) Yesterday we did way better sales wise. Monday there was a whole 2, with under $50 in total sales the whole day...

YGW - You must be busy! Haven't seen you in for a few.

Steve - Why did it seem like poor cousin Mitch got left out? Wink

W*^k - Slow today... Nuff said.

Weather - Warmer and more humid today. Sunny though.

Trains - Fired up my track cleaning train last night, and had all kinds of grief. First, one loco in the consist wouldn't come online, then for some reason the replacement loco in the consist kept pushing the CMX tank off the rails... Found it had a coupler issue. So I moved on to replacement loco 3,  a Genesis unit, and found that it had decided to blow lights while sitting for a while... Finally got the regular consist unit to cooperate, and turned a few laps.

How did so much go wrong while sitting unpowered? Must be them there gremlins... Too bad they look so darn cute and furry, otherwise I would kick them out!

Hope all are well, and all enjoy the day!

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Posted by angelob6660 on Wednesday, August 9, 2017 2:16 PM

Afternoon Diners,

Ray- Going to the museum was very fun, specially seeing the airplane that your grandfather built.

Ken- Thanks, that was very interesting information.

After that recent purchase of the BM hoppers (extra one). I would look back to the idea I had a last year or so. To let Conrail to be main interest and have a interchange with the Guilford Rail System. 

My plan changed with Guilford to CSX but I still like the idea with both. I can't model the formation of CSX difficult to find freight cars that survived without pictures and there not modeled. Plus it's hard to please myself when I'm looking at locomotives and I cannot buy them because they have a nose headlight.

Getting the GRS will be a little easier. I only need 2 for interchange service.

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Posted by cudaken on Wednesday, August 9, 2017 5:12 PM

 Afternoon Diners

 Flo, Gary, Ed, Inch, Brent, Jan, Ulrich, Galaxy and I will have a Beer please. What, it is on Brent's tap? Surprise In that case your best Wine that does not have a screw off Cap!

 Gary For some reason I did not think you drink? Guess I was wrong and you will never be dry again as long as there is a Cuda Ken in the dinner!

 Brent Seems you have rasied a good son! While I know he is thinking with his head about not going after a movie carrer. I am sure bet he is wondering what if he could makes it big time on film.

 Wife car is fixed! Bang HeadBang HeadBang HeadBang Head It was just a dead battery!  Bang Head I could have saved my self $75.00 if I had used my battery charger and started the car! Bang Head What fooled me was the headlights where still bright. Here I have a 60 amp charger that would have started it like that! Bang Head

 Later, Ken

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Posted by howmus on Wednesday, August 9, 2017 6:49 PM

Evenin' Folks!

Chloe, Just need dessert (Strawberry Rhubarb Pie a' la mode) and a cup of decaf for the moment...

angelob6660
Ray- Going to the museum was very fun, specially seeing the airplane that your grandfather built.

The builder was my Son's grandfather....  My FIL.  But thanks!

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Ray .... A Ford powered air camper. That is unique. You should make a model of one for your layout. ....

You know Garry, that is a great idea.  Here is a photo of my Father in Law's Pietenpol Air Camper he built.  Complete with the first Ford Conversion he built to power it.  The plans for the plane came with the Ford Model A engine being the power for it.  Someone in the family may still have saved those plans, I hope! 

His personal favorite of the planes he built was a Bi-Plane.  I believe that one ended up being bought by a farmer to use for crop dusting in Florida way back when.  My FiL, Barney was a definate character, and I was honored to be his only SiL (out of 3) who he would associate with.  I was the only one who got invited down cellar or out to the small barn to have him show off his current projects. 

Hope you all have a great night out there!  Be blessed and -

73

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Wednesday, August 9, 2017 9:31 PM

Good evening .

Ray ...  I'm glad you like the idea.  It might be fun for you .  Your family history is interesting .

Ken .. actually I am not much of a drinker. I never feel a compelling desire to have any alcohol.  I sometimes go several weeks without any.  If I do, it is one beer or one glass of wine. I very seldom have any hard liquor. I have absolutely no tolerance for other people who drink excessively.  That said, the Diner's beer is good. Thank you. 

Der John emailed me with a new email address he is using. He says he is not able to log in to the MR Forum, and he thinks the change of email address relates to that problem. 

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Posted by GMTRacing on Thursday, August 10, 2017 6:41 AM

Good Morning All,

    Just a regular coffee to go please ladies. DIL went berry picking so I have a bag of fresh blueberries. Yum.

    Finishing up the cars today for the hill climb this weekend. Got my steering racks done, one delivered, one to ship. Triumph TR4A project we inherited when I bought out another shop nearly finished. Just trying to juggle multiple balls so we can keep all the projects going. 

   

Ray- Your FIL sounds like he was quite the character. If he was building aircraft did he have formal training or did he just teach himself? You could do that as while back and still get a certificate for the resulting plane. 

   Still no progress on the layout though I'm getting closer. I'm hoping after October when things start to slow down I'll be able to block out some time. Of course last year we ended up running 11 race weekends in Australia and New Zealand from October to March (with time off here and there for good behaviour) so that shot the off season. Mind you I'm not complaining, the seven weeks in New Zealand were awesome starting about 100km south of Auckland and ending in Invercargill on South Island. We wanted to ride more trains, but the travel (6 weeks in a row) in New Zealand precluded much of that. When we got to South Island the main line was still out as a result of the earthquake that wrecked much of Christchurch and the run from Christchurch across the Southern Alps was closed due to fires burning out a couple of bridge approaches, so we ran the Dunedin Railway scenic tour further south. That was spectacular. If I sort out photos and get an account back up and running, I can share some.

     Time to get back out the door and pick up tools.  

 CUL (as in "See You Later), J.R.

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Posted by ricktrains4824 on Thursday, August 10, 2017 10:25 AM

Good morning all.

Flo - I will take a grilled bacon&cheese sandwich, with home fries and a Coke please. Thanks.

Ken - Ouch.... I hate when something is simple yet expensive. 

Howmus - Nice airplane pic & story. (Didn't mention yesterday.)

Weather - Warm and humid today, with a chance of Lightning storms later.

W*^k - Had a customer complaint yesterday, he was mad that our delivery guy (contracted out) refused to install (hook up) his gas stove. Reason? His kitchen was not up to code, missing the gas line safety valve.... And was demanding that we, the store, 1- refund full delivery charge, and 2- pay for someone else to install the stove. (Not happening pal.) 

Some people....

Trains - Got the mainline loop running good, and was concentrating last night on the yard lead, and then first yard track. (Remember the layout is temporarily set up. Upcoming move is highly likely to occur now.) Then I decided to run a manifest freight on the main, while the track-cleaning train was working on yard lead and yard track 1.

This is where the Gremlins reappeared... A 60' boxcar, sitting in car 1 spot behind the loco, kept derailing to the inside of the curve(s). I pulled it out of the train, and had no issues. Checked wheelsets, etc... And found no issues. When I placed it on the rear of the train, no issues.

Huh?

So, I placed a single, lightweight car behind it, and it again promptly jumped the tracks. Again to the inside of the curve. (First one it hit this time.) 

Grumpy

So... Looks like I have some more projects... Either figuring out why this car is unhappy with any trailing weight behind it, or, installing a FRED on this car. (I might go with option 2 here...) 

I started a thread on stringlining on the forums, looking for more ideas.

Hope all are well, and all enjoy the day!

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Posted by FRRYKid on Thursday, August 10, 2017 10:50 AM

ricktrains4824

Trains -

This is where the Gremlins reappeared... A 60' boxcar, sitting in car 1 spot behind the loco, kept derailing to the inside of the curve(s). I pulled it out of the train, and had no issues. Checked wheelsets, etc... And found no issues. When I placed it on the rear of the train, no issues.

Huh?

So, I placed a single, lightweight car behind it, and it again promptly jumped the tracks. Again to the inside of the curve. (First one it hit this time.) 

Grumpy

So... Looks like I have some more projects... Either figuring out why this car is unhappy with any trailing weight behind it, or, installing a FRED on this car. (I might go with option 2 here...) 

It's an oddball possibility, but try a different engine with those same cars. It sounds to me like there is a minor issue with that engine and it is showing up in the derailment of the cars. At least to me, if the car has derailment issues they should show up everywhere, not just in that one spot.

Another thought, what radius are your curves? Some 60' cars don't like tight curves.

I may be completely off base, but those are my thoughts on the subject.

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Posted by last mountain & eastern hogger on Thursday, August 10, 2017 10:52 AM

Whistling

Howard Zane,  Good morning,

I know you are a busy man (always have been),  I wanted you to know that I sent you a PM. about three weeks ago and have not heard from you.  I thought you might not have noticed that it was there. Hope to hear from you soon and that all is well with you.

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Posted by howmus on Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:00 AM

Mornin' folks!

Zoe, I'll have a bowl of watery oatmeal and a pot of Seneca Lake Organic Dark Roast Fair Traded coffe to keep my R&GV RR Mug filled 'til lunchtime...  Huh?  Oh don't want to break off any more of what remains of tooth #12 before the rootcanal next Tuesday.

GMTRacing
Ray- Your FIL sounds like he was quite the character. If he was building aircraft did he have formal training or did he just teach himself? You could do that as while back and still get a certificate for the resulting plane.

Hi J.R.!  Good to see you back in the diner!  Yep, Barney was a definate Character!  He was building airplanes since he was a teenager I guess.  Back then you didn't need no stinkin' formal training for stuff like that.....  He was a life member of the Experimental Aircraft Assn.  He was a plumber by trade so making up the metal pipe main frame on those things was easy as pie for him.  The rest was wooden and fabic covered with "dope".  The plane had to be inspected by someone with the license and a certificate to operate had to be given.  In his spare time, he would recover old planes for other people.  The scratch built Bi-Plane used to have two plaques in the cockpit.  The pilots side one said "Designed and built by Bernard H. Fox",  the other plaque said "This plane unfit to fly....  US Government".  Only reason for that is they did not have on file an approved plan for the plane.  He told me it was far safer than his Piper Cub as the wheel struts and most of the frame was twice as strong as the piper....  Last I heard that one is still being flown as a crop duster down South.

My Father and Barney were best friends in High School.  My Father was an Oboist and clarinetist and my FiL was a Trombonist.  They were both still playing in the Alumni Concert and Marching Band when they were in their early 80's.  Barney gave up marching a year before my Dad.  He said he could still play the trombone, and he could still march.  He just couldn't do both at the same time anymore!  Oh....  My Dad also dated my Mil a few times in High School....  My sister and one of my SiL's were best friends in High School (still are), so it just had to happen that I fell in love with a Fox girl and was married to her until she died of cancer 30 years ago.

Hope you all have a great day out there!

73

 

Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Thursday, August 10, 2017 11:38 AM

ricktrains4824
This is where the Gremlins reappeared... A 60' boxcar, sitting in car 1 spot behind the loco, kept derailing to the inside of the curve(s). I pulled it out of the train, and had no issues. Checked wheelsets, etc... And found no issues. When I placed it on the rear of the train, no issues.

I'm guessing it's a long engine, too, right?  Try with a 4-axle diesel or a switcher, something shorter.  I think you've got a problem with the couplers coming up to the edge of the coupler pockets and needing to swing a bit further.  Your curve is too tight.

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Posted by ricktrains4824 on Thursday, August 10, 2017 12:45 PM

Good afternoon all.

I guess I should clarify the boxcar issue... It made sense to me, but I think only because I'm the one who did it.

So, let me add in some details. (I will post these same details in thread I started on the subject.)

Car in question started in spot 1 of 10, (pure example number) and was derailing to the inside on curves. (Curves are 18" or 22" radii, depending on if I am leaving the yard or on the main. HO Scale trains.) It derailed on either curve, so that ruled out a track issue, as that made different locations for derailment point.

It also is not speed dependent. It would derail at mainline speed (40sMPH) and at yard speed. (My version of yard speed is no faster than throttle step 10 of 100 using 128 speed steps.)

Loco on train in question was a Alco C430. (So I really don't think it was a long wheelbase issue... But it is still longer than a short switcher unit.)

Pulling the car made a train 9 cars long. 

Placing car in question in car spot 10, no issues. (Turned several "laps" without derailing, even on the 18" radius.)

Note: Car 9 is a 2 bay covered hopper, much shorter than any loco I own.

Adding an 11th car made car 10, car in question, derail to the inside of the first curve it hit. (11th car is way underweight, lighter than car in question.)

Good ideas to check though!

I will still have to check on coupler swing amount, as Mr. B suggested. (It has a separate train line airhose installed, (by the factory), maybe it's hitting on that?......)

Ricky W.

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Posted by cudaken on Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:08 PM

 Afternoon Diners

 Flo, Ed, Brent, Jan, Inch and I will have a Beer Give Gary a Near Beer or a normal beer, let him pick.

 Dang I am beat! Cut the backyard weed fest and I sure feel it in my shoulders! Bet I had to restart the mower 15 times. Grass like stuff got tall and was a little damp and I am sure the blade needs to be sharpend.

 Rick Hum, the 60 foot box car sure has a strange problem. Couple of ideas.

 1 More weight never hurts if the trucks are free wheeling, but being #10 out of 11 kinds of shoots that idea down.

 2 Trucks should be able to wobble about a 1/8 inch from side to side. To tight or to lose can make it fall over.

 3 Is it deraling any where near a turnout? Either way, if you have a good idea where it is going to derail watch it about 2 to 3 feet before where it will derail. Most of my problems happend before where it left the rails.

 4 Are the wheels flanges in alignment?

 5 Try a longer shank coupler as the last resort. Might try cutting some notch in the coupler box for a better swing.

  BBQ is done and so am I.

 Bessemer Ken

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Posted by RideOnRoad on Thursday, August 10, 2017 6:44 PM

I spent last evening with a youth group packing food packets for Feed My Starving Children, a non-profit that sends meal packs to children throughout the world. Yesterday we were packing food for El Salvador. Each packet contains the equivalent of six meals--rice, vitamins, flavoring, dehydrated vegatables, and soy powder for protein. Last night we packed 187 boxes, with 36 packets per boxes. We packaged over 40,000 meals. Somehow I ended up with the job of running (literally) the loaded boxes from the loading tables to the pallets. I moved over 1.5 tons in about 90 minutes. Not to bad for an old(er) guy. I am feeling it today...

The piano tuning business is slowly taking off. I am getting faster and more confident with each tuning. I may be a little biased, but I must say, the pianos are sounding pretty darn good when I leave.

Richard

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